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[Reptilian Rob]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

"Plenty of feedback"? That's interesting, especially that it points to a conclusion that majority of people who liked the ending are using Twitter and nothing else (BSN, Facebook). Standard PR tactic. I'll continue holding the line, thank you.

You know, it must be the same "huge fanbase" that wanted Joker/EDI, despite the fact that there was no thread supporting such a thing, no group, and a large fanbase of people who wanted Joker as an LI for Shepard, not EDI.

Gotta love PR spin.

EA has a 1960s bunker PR team in the year 2012.

Makes as much sense as the Starchild. 

[MrBurntToast]

They really need to fire the guy who is in charge of the Twitter account. This is like the third Tweet in a week that has generated an instant double digit page count thread on the forum.

Guess we're even, Bioware: I consider your ending an affront, you consider my consideration an affront.

[Vromrig]

Slidell505 wrote...

I wonder what it's like to be bioware? Living in a glass bubble surrounded only by yes men. I'm guessing they actually believe the praise they get from Kotaku, Destructoid, and IGN, even though they've been bought and paid for by their corporate overlords.

Inaccurrate assessment and potentially damaging to movement.  Speculating that life in office is overly comfortable or that they are behaving arrogantly.

Not likely.  Past experience in game industry suggests otherwise.  Likely stressing, frustrated over situation.  Smiling anyway.

Smiles always better than frowns.

[terdferguson123]

Vromrig wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

Miscategorization, laden with hyperbole.  Probably trolling.  Unfortunate.  By and large, Retake Mass Effect group wishes to engage in dialogue.

No need to try to start fires.

This is exactly what I am talking about. I tell you some blatant common sense, some people like the ending... you immediately accuse me of trolling. That's my point, it's getting to the point where the vast majority of the retakers don't even want to discuss anything. They just take any differing opinion of ANY kind and think its a personal attack. I'm telling you, you guys have got to seriously lighten up. Your making gamers everywhere look absolutely terrible. As if we needed more bad publicity.

[ProdigalMaster]

There goes another bit of hope. In any case, and whatever happens, I'm proud of the retake movement. I'll be with you to the end.

[BWGungan]

Vromrig wrote...

I've probably given more to charity this year than you have. Just not that charity.

By bringing that up, you are cheapening the involvement of Child's Play. You are making it clear that you did it for political leverage and not out of the goodness of your heart.

Incorrect. Is valid question. If equally passionate, why is one going so far as to act upon conviction? "Put money where mouth is", so to speak. If equally passionate, would be equally visible, equally eager to put money where mouth is.

Point is not politics.  Instead, point is one of equivalence.  Bioware hoping to make equivalence between two.

Further, should have been obvious, CHild's Play was not about conventional donations to charity.  Was about making message, only message.  Of course political.  Not even Machiavellian, was meant to demonstrate outrage and anger, not sudden affliction of hospitality and good will towards children.

Indeed.  The choice of charity is also clear.  Started by a gaming community, so gamers choose it to make their point.

[Cigarette Smoking Man]

SmokePants wrote...

Narsilsword wrote...

IF Bioware turns their back on us they turn their back on Mass Effect!

To ignore the flaws of the ending requires that you are:
1)Not heavily invested in the franchise
2)Didn't give it much thought. in other words you treated it superficially like you would a summer action movie.
3)don't really care, in which case you shouldn't mind a change
4) Beleive that covering up mistakes goes against some moral code (the ludicrous art argument)

We are the people who saw the ending did mass effect a huge disservice. It undoes the franchise!
To listen to those who praise it rather than those who took the time to properly explain the flaws is denial.
They don't want to hear it so they'll continue to make the same mistakes. Bioware won't grow if it doesn't listen

I'm not saying write what the fans want, I am saying go back and fix it. It's broken!

Hold the line!

Most of you are victims of confirmation bias. You agree with points that agree with your hypothesis and you are blind to things that disagree with it.

Exposure to these message boards is causing your opinion to grow steadily more negative and causing your righteous indignation to climb steadily upward. Until the whole internet stupor blows over and you start to come back down to Earth.

Troll harder.

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

I'm teetering on the edge of completely giving up on BW for at least a decade, or until some BIG change happens.

I mean, you lie to and betray your most loyal and dedicated fans, then flip them off by denying the massive outcry they're all having? Denying that criticism even exists in any meaningful form?

It's disgusting. I'm almost predicting the Retake movement to die out--not because of laziness, but because they all just gave up hope on BW and decided to never trust or like them again. Way to ****ing go, BioWare.

[cinderburster]

cinderburster wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

We know that.  And a lot (I daresay most) of us don't want the endings to be entirely re-written, either.  We just want them either explained satisfactorily or added to, for those of us who would have liked to see more than three different colors of the same thing.

Actually, I'm going to edit myself here: forget the either/or.  I want them explained AND added to.

[terdferguson123]

MrBurntToast wrote...

They really need to fire the guy who is in charge of the Twitter account. This is like the third Tweet in a week that has generated an instant double digit page count thread on the forum.

Guess we're even, Bioware: I consider your ending an affront, you consider my consideration an affront.

The difference between you and them is that they don't make any comments about who needs firing, or banned, or whatever. It's really obvious which side is less reasonable.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 20 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Lanay]

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

[Asari]

The game itself is just pure awesome, more than I could've hoped for. Its just the ending, it is just so bad..cant say anything good about the ending, and I honestly cant believe those who can. But that is just my opinion (and many others) Been a fan of bioware since a while before kotor.

Cant really believe why they wanted to keep that ending, after everthing they went through during the ME triology..at least in the final game, everything in this game was a million times better than the ending. And yes, ENDING.

[Chris-1983]

So Bioware is showing it´s true colors. You will see what you get from that decision. At least you lost a lot of loyal customers and fans.... me included.

[BWGungan]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Do you not realize that not everybody who hated it is not writing in these threads?  I know 30 RL people that hate the endings, and I'm the only one out of all of them on these forums.

Modifié par BWGungan, 20 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[Vromrig]

This is exactly what I am talking about. I tell you some blatant common sense, some people like the ending... you immediately accuse me of trolling. That's my point, it's getting to the point where the vast majority of the retakers don't even want to discuss anything. They just take any differing opinion of ANY kind and think its a personal attack. I'm telling you, you guys have got to seriously lighten up. Your making gamers everywhere look absolutely terrible. As if we needed more bad publicity.

Accusation brought on by logic. Limited vitriol by Retake movement. Some naive, shocked by first time major PR situation. Therefore become angry with Bioware. Do not become hostile however. Majority of posts civil, calm, often even kind.

Accusing them otherwise appears more akin to trolling. Data does not suggest helpful comment or genuine opinion. If genuine opinion, clouded by bias, unfair to people you are attacking.

[xScarecrowX]

I just read the OP, not all 13 pages, but here is my 2 cents:

If Bioware were to do what some have suggested, making the new endings into Free DLC, then if someone liked the original endings, they could simply choose not to download it. Again, just my opinion.

[Capeo]

They're never changing the endings or, it seems, even expanding them. While highly disappointed I do take solace in the fact that the moronic Indoctrination threads will disappear that much sooner.

Also... RIP the Bioware I used to know and love.

[terdferguson123]

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

[Panicomatic]

This is a hard slap in the face. I look forward to voting with my dollar. Amazon, please give me my $80.

[BWGungan]

Lanay wrote...

Terraforming2154 wrote...

totalrecall87 wrote...

This is a PR tatic ment to belittle the movement and possibly try to get a rise out of the members. Don't play into it! Stay Strong Stay Civil Hold the line!

But why would they want to do that? I'm very obviously showing my colors as a very naive librarian and not a business person because I just don't get why they would want to insult, belittle, or hurt a legimately devoted part of their fan base that is upset.

They don't want to hurt us, not maliciously anyway.  They want to get us to give up, stop talking about it, and forget it happened.  The best way to do that is to kill our resolve and convince us that this is a matter of creative differences and taste, not promises broken and a product intentionally misrepresented.

Yeah well, it's too bad I'm not paying for anything they release from here on out until the ending is resolved, and I'm sure there are others like me.  Hope they like planning layoffs.

Modifié par BWGungan, 20 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Strange Aeons]

Kind of ironic that the last deep, artistic element of the ending is a datapad urging us to BUY MOAR DLC PLX!!.

Somehow, I doubt they imagined we'd take them at their word quite in this manner.

[savionen]

BWGungan wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I DONT WANT THE ENDING TO CHANGE! Do you guys realize that most people that liked it or loved it aren't even WRITING in these threads? Don't delude yourselves, people have differing opinions than yours.

Do you not realize that not everybody who hated it is not writing in these threads?  I know 30 people that hate the endings, and I'm the only one out of all of them on these forums.

Not as many for me, but same yeah. All my friends loved the game but hated the ending. A few of them got pretty depressed because of it. I'm the only one that posts here. I get "Are they changing it yet?" messages from them.

[Myrmedus]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

A lot of the people if you follow into their own feeds either have stated in them they don't like the ending or that they believe in the indoctrination theory why they like the ending. ( I've only checked about 6 of them out of curiosity and about 4 of them did )

There are some that really do like the endings and that's not a PR spin or conspiracy. People will like it. No reason for attacking them or Bioware for this fact as it's just the way it is.

This is all very well but I don't know if you've read the thread: WE are being attacked BY those who like them, and it's a common occurrance on these forums in fact.

There is no reason why we have to be in conflict. I have no doubt some enjoy them, that is inevitable since such a varied demographic played the ME games, but those of us asking for additional new endings are not a threat to those who enjoy the current ones.

And even in the event of a DLC that REPLACED the ending, there is still the simple issue that you need not download it.

Simples.

Attacking Bioware for wanting to say thanks to people that like there game does not help the movement to get them to address the endings to the ones who don't. Would you only respond to people that hate something you made or would you prefer to talk to the people who did as much or more?

We all can Agree they have creating a amazing game, even if some of us have a hard time dealing with the ending I don't think they should be punished for this. If they respect their fans enough to add or expand the ending to better satisfy the community then I will shout on the highest hilltop about how much I love bioware. If they don't and just ignore us then I will respect their right and never think of mass effect again and possibly never buy another Bioware game as is my right.

I don't believe they should be punished for a boo-boo (the ending). However, I am getting annoyed enough to feel they should be punished for this disrespectful bull**** they're smothering over twitter, and for stoking the fires between fans who liked the end vs. fans who did not (they're doing this - they'll put on the innocent face and say "We never..." but they are). Turning fans against each other as a means of solidifying their position is low.

[ManiacShoteR]

why doesn't Bioware just announce a new ending DLC to end all this , i just can't understand , haven't they seen the numbers in the forums in the polls???

one thing i know for sure ,  whenever bioware launches a new game i'll wait to see if they don't screw up the ending ,  i was going to play Dragon age aswell but i heard they also ruined the game aswell  so i guess i won't take the risk , ME3 was too much for me... unless they fix it

[ahandsomeshark]

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

this. I've seen scary internet behavior. I'm actually pleasantly suprised by how civil this board is.