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[SamFlagg]

Vromrig wrote...

This is exactly what I am talking about. I tell you some blatant common sense, some people like the ending... you immediately accuse me of trolling. That's my point, it's getting to the point where the vast majority of the retakers don't even want to discuss anything. They just take any differing opinion of ANY kind and think its a personal attack. I'm telling you, you guys have got to seriously lighten up. Your making gamers everywhere look absolutely terrible. As if we needed more bad publicity.

Accusation brought on by logic. Limited vitriol by Retake movement. Some naive, shocked by first time major PR situation. Therefore become angry with Bioware. Do not become hostile however. Majority of posts civil, calm, often even kind.

Accusing them otherwise appears more akin to trolling. Data does not suggest helpful comment or genuine opinion. If genuine opinion, clouded by bias, unfair to people you are attacking.

At some point I'm going to hug you.

[Versus Omnibus]

[quote]terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%[/quote]

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That's nothing compared to some of the demonising from IGN lately. Sure, it's their opinion but some of the stuff they say is unprofessional and shows nothing but bias behavior. We are indeed getting a little frustrated with the bad press, but we are a lot calmer then you give us credit for.

[kidbd15]

A lot of people who support the ending don't seem to be on this forum. That leads me to believe most people who support the current ending only played ME3, or don't care much about the universe and what was promised to them.... only that it ended "artistically"... but again, I do not consider rushed art to be someone's true artistic vision.

[clarkusdarkus]

you think they'd wanna sort it asap so we go back to playing the series rather than gaining war assets through mainstream media and spending time on there twitter and on here.

[BurntOrangeMan]

RLesueur wrote...

Ugh...so tempted to give up on Bioware.

If they don't fix this I will give up on them. If I ever buy a game of theres again it will be used.

[Vromrig]

SamFlagg wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

This is exactly what I am talking about. I tell you some blatant common sense, some people like the ending... you immediately accuse me of trolling. That's my point, it's getting to the point where the vast majority of the retakers don't even want to discuss anything. They just take any differing opinion of ANY kind and think its a personal attack. I'm telling you, you guys have got to seriously lighten up. Your making gamers everywhere look absolutely terrible. As if we needed more bad publicity.

Accusation brought on by logic. Limited vitriol by Retake movement. Some naive, shocked by first time major PR situation. Therefore become angry with Bioware. Do not become hostile however. Majority of posts civil, calm, often even kind.

Accusing them otherwise appears more akin to trolling. Data does not suggest helpful comment or genuine opinion. If genuine opinion, clouded by bias, unfair to people you are attacking.

At some point I'm going to hug you.

Going to Occupy San Diego.  Bringing sign that reads "Thought choices would matter.  Was lied to.  I am the Mass Effect 99%".  Feel free to hug there.

[Bronze65]

Everyone is reading that twitter post incorrectly. Granted, it was poorly worded, but. It's not Bioware being affronted, it's the people that don't want it to change.

Read it again.

[paynesgrey]

It makes perfect sense and is quite consistent with Bioware Math Effect.

"Many endings" means "3 endings."

So it stands to reason that when the Bioware Math Effect is applied, "12 people" equals "plenty of people."

[Myrmedus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[Mister Mida]

Ignore the PR, respect everyone's opinion, and don't get distracted. If these ending likers really are plants, well that says a lot about the situation. But we cannot be certain of this.

Come on guys, relax, chill out, and listen to some Slayer.

[Lancane]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Edit2:

An user mentioned the tweet was deleted, so I add a bigger screenshot.
http://img846.images...aretwitter2.jpg

Heh, yeah, no ****.

Seriously Bioware, don't act like you're listening to us, then make up random crap to excuse yourself for not really doing so.  I'd actually be more accepting of "**** you, deal with it"

ROFL... That's all they have to say, despite what comes of it...the mere fact they haven't is because they're likely looking to do something, anything at this point to assuage the movement. 

EA and Bioware are losing money on this as we speak, returns are taking their toll on sales, the negative press are effecting sales, even halting others from buying the product, some are slashing the price to try and sale the game with the current trouble and we know a good number have cancelled their SWTOR accounts and stated why when asked. Those backing the company and the ending can say what they want, but right now EA and Bioware are probably shocked by how bad this is getting and it's getting worst each day. The movement is only getting stronger, the numbers are proving that and while we may not be the overall majority, we're still effecting their profit margin more then those same said supporters realize. 

[Takibanazaki]

Vromrig wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

I wonder what it's like to be bioware? Living in a glass bubble surrounded only by yes men. I'm guessing they actually believe the praise they get from Kotaku, Destructoid, and IGN, even though they've been bought and paid for by their corporate overlords.

Inaccurrate assessment and potentially damaging to movement.  Speculating that life in office is overly comfortable or that they are behaving arrogantly.

Not likely.  Past experience in game industry suggests otherwise.  Likely stressing, frustrated over situation.  Smiling anyway.

Smiles always better than frowns.

Not to mention, they work in the industry, so know exactly what those ratings mean.

[Kanon777]

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

[movieguyabw]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

"Plenty of feedback"? That's interesting, especially that it points to a conclusion that majority of people who liked the ending are using Twitter and nothing else (BSN, Facebook). Standard PR tactic. I'll continue holding the line, thank you.

You know, it must be the same "huge fanbase" that wanted Joker/EDI, despite the fact that there was no thread supporting such a thing, no group, and a large fanbase of people who wanted Joker as an LI for Shepard, not EDI.

Gotta love PR spin.

I remember hearing people joke about wanting Joker and EDI to be a couple.  But a far greater number of people, it seemed, wanted Joker as a LI for Shepard.  It also would make the most sense of the two options.

That being said, I don't see why both groups of fans can't be appeased.  I mentioned before on another thread, how Joker and EDI should've been like the Camen's Lament quest in Dragon Age: Origins.  Joker and EDI ask you your advice on their relationship (which already happens), and you can convince them to break it off, and then romance Joker - or, if you enjoy synthetics, romance EDI.  Would've loved something like this, personally.

[MrMcDoll]

The way I see it - people who don't care about the endings and think that the people who are upset and want them changed are wrong to do so, have the same mentality as those who oppose gay marriage.
In both cases, the opposition to change aren't going to be affected by that change so really shouldn't care if that change goes ahead. If anything, you'd think that the people who oppose change should instead just be happy that the pro-change camp (PUN UNINTENDED!!)are getting a chance to have things their way - without it stopping the opposition from having things their way too!

As a game company that appears to champion equal rights (I was very impressed with the emotionally deep treatment of gay relationships in ME3 with how Cortez and Kaidan were handled) You'd think Bioware could see the parallel and respond about the proposed ending change the same way they did about the inclusion of homosexual relationships when they said something like: "If it's not your cup of tea, you can avoid it. It doesn't mean people who want it have to be denied it though" (I cant remember the exact quote!!)

Modifié par MrMcDoll, 20 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Lancane]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ignore the PR, respect everyone's opinion, and don't get distracted. If these ending likers really are plants, well that says a lot about the situation. But we cannot be certain of this.

Come on guys, relax, chill out, and listen to some Slayer.

Nah, I'm listening to a mix my nephew did of classic Iron Maiden mixed with the Mass Effect 2 soundtrack, it's different to say the least but still quite good. 

[terdferguson123]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

this. I've seen scary internet behavior. I'm actually pleasantly suprised by how civil this board is.

It only seems civil because you agree with most of whats being posted. I am referring to the fact that the retake movement is to the point where they won't even discuss the ending. I have seen several threads from gamers who wanted to actually legitamately discuss the ending, unfortanately, those threads get overran with a constant amount of "HE LIKED THE ENDING!? HE MUST BE AN IDIOT! HE PROBOBLY ISNT A FAN OF THE SERIES!!! HE'S GOT TO BE TROLLING!!" I'm not talking about insulting, I am referring to the general lack of common sense that you all seem to posess. You guys just cannot fathom that some people like the ending how it is. As I stated earlier, just wanting an ending dlc at the start was fine, but you guys have got to stop attacking other people who enjoyed it.

[Comguard2]

Twitter-Guy doesn't say he thinks ending is an affront, he just says that the players giving the positive feedback think that way.

My problem with this tweet is just that her marginalizes the Ending-dislikers by saying "we're getting plenty of feedback from people who liked the ending."

[Panicomatic]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ignore the PR, respect everyone's opinion, and don't get distracted. If these ending likers really are plants, well that says a lot about the situation. But we cannot be certain of this.

Come on guys, relax, chill out, and listen to some Slayer.

Listening to Daft punk atm. Discovery helps restore my calm.

[Myrmedus]

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

Incorrect, though.

The tweet doesn't say alot liked the ending, it says alot liked the ending and consider it an affront for a change to the ending.

Big leap between the two.

[Krogan Warlord666]

Don't let them trick you into giving up, HOLD THE LINE!!!!!

[Vromrig]

Poorly handled Tweet, no doubt about it. But should be taken measuredly. Handled it inappropriately. Best response? Hold the line.

[Mister Mida]

Lancane wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ignore the PR, respect everyone's opinion, and don't get distracted. If these ending likers really are plants, well that says a lot about the situation. But we cannot be certain of this.

Come on guys, relax, chill out, and listen to some Slayer.

Nah, I'm listening to a mix my nephew did of classic Iron Maiden mixed with the Mass Effect 2 soundtrack, it's different to say the least but still quite good. 

Iron Maiden is cool too

[Merwanor]

There is this nifty tab in the options for this game called narative. If a change to the ending comes as a dlc, and you don't want the new ending. Then just go into that tab and turn it off. Problem solved for those who love the current ending, which just for the record I find wierd as the endings makes no sense.

[Kanon777]

kidbd15 wrote...

A lot of people who support the ending don't seem to be on this forum. That leads me to believe most people who support the current ending only played ME3, or don't care much about the universe and what was promised to them.... only that it ended "artistically"... but again, I do not consider rushed art to be someone's true artistic vision.

Or maybe they dont want to deal with constant acusation and attacks the anti-ending do to us on these forums