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[WarMachine919]

Sorry Double post

Modifié par WarMachine919, 20 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[The Night Mammoth]

tobito113 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

Incorrect, though.

The tweet doesn't say alot liked the ending, it says alot liked the ending and consider it an affront for a change to the ending.

Big leap between the two.

I read alot of people on destructoroid/kotaku comments saying Bioware should never change the ending just because of the actions of some Retakers, check the post about the FTC complaint on destructoid

Other than the fact that I see about six times as many posts agreeing there needs to be DLC, the opinions of people saying that Bioware shouldn't change the ending are, for lack of a more eloquent term, irrelevant. 

Why? No one wants some madatory patch. They want DLC, which is optional. 

[Myrmedus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Thanks for proving my point. "Snide" huh? So, a twitter post that sais, some people liked the ending.. Is now snide? Do you see what I was referring to? Your retake movement is taking even the slightest disagreements as personal attacks. Why the heck would Bioware want to talk to you? You certainly do not deserve to what you are asking for. Not lately.

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm. I disagreed with you, how does that automatically constitute being unworthy of being spoken to? Or constitute a "snide" post?

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[admcmei]

You don't actually see all posts about Mass Effect on twitter. You see the ones they respond to. And they just have to respond more often to positive feedback to make it look almost split. I'm not saying that for certain they do (but they probably do) but still, taking the tweets they respond to as evidence of many people being happy is a lot, lot sillier than taking a poll as science, at least there you know the ratio between the people who voted.

[SmokePants]

I've been arguing for almost two weeks. It's futile. Your arguments don't hold up when applied to the whole of the series, because you could use them to pick apart every single scene in this franchise that has inspired you to be so passionate. You are focusing like a laser on the ending and it is not granting you the perspective to avoid some of these ridiculous conclusions.

I've seen people ask why Sheperd believes the Catalyst? Why dopes he believe ANYONE? The entire series, he has accepted things at face value and run with them and only NOW do you have a problem with it? He had a hole in his stomach and had lost a lot of blood, exactly how defiant was he supposed to be at that moment?

That's just a sample argument. I'm not going to get into it anymore. I've been at it for a week and everyone is too entrenched at this point.

The beauty is, I don't have to argue. I will be proven correct when the ending is left alone. I mean, if you guys are right and your logic is sound, then Bioware will change it. If they don't, it means that there are huge gaps in your understanding of the implications. I doubt you'll admit it, though. Most of you will undoubtedly pout, rather than try to broaden your perspective and understand why things could not change.

Modifié par SmokePants, 20 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[Vromrig]

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm.

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

Side quarrel unnecessary. Either appears as vitriolic or responding to baiting. Neither pleasant. Damages momentum, makes us seem distracted.

If ending, unacceptable. Widely known now. Best course now is seek resolution or express girevance. No need for fighting.

[insomniac13]

I knew Bioware wouldn't budge. EA just won't let them.

EA can **** off!

[Turtlicious]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

this. I've seen scary internet behavior. I'm actually pleasantly suprised by how civil this board is.

It only seems civil because you agree with most of whats being posted. I am referring to the fact that the retake movement is to the point where they won't even discuss the ending. I have seen several threads from gamers who wanted to actually legitamately discuss the ending, unfortanately, those threads get overran with a constant amount of "HE LIKED THE ENDING!? HE MUST BE AN IDIOT! HE PROBOBLY ISNT A FAN OF THE SERIES!!! HE'S GOT TO BE TROLLING!!" I'm not talking about insulting, I am referring to the general lack of common sense that you all seem to posess. You guys just cannot fathom that some people like the ending how it is. As I stated earlier, just wanting an ending dlc at the start was fine, but you guys have got to stop attacking other people who enjoyed it.

I suggest you read some of those threads again and look at them objectively.

I think you'll find the majority of them, the OP who states they liked the ending also puts in comments like this "and anyone who argues the ending is objectively bad is talking nonsense" or "and everyone complaining about the ending being bad is just a whiner."

Most of their posts incite.

Oh really? I made several threads attempting to discuss the ending after I had just completed the game, I had no opinion either way, no where in my post does it say anything about who's right or wrong. I simply tried to explain some of the common misconceptions and I got my head bit off by people saying I was Trolling, a bioware employee, and countless others. You are blind to that which you agree with, you only see what you disagree with.

you wrote the bottom post 32 minutes ago.

terdferguson123 wrote...

Ken Levine is right, he's also a hell of a game dev. Sorry retake fans,
but you guys are on the verge of compromising the thrill of games.
Imagine what happens if you guys get bioware rewrite the ending. You
will serve as an example, and groups everywhere will ask for game
remakes/rewrites and in turn, we will lose that thrilling spark of "i
wonder whats next".

Now if I wanted to search I could probably find a much worse post, but even this one is saying that our movement is going to take the thrill out of the gaming media. Which isn't fair.

[Myrmedus]

SmokePants wrote...

I've been arguing for almost two weeks. It's futile. Your arguments don't hold up when applied to the whole of the series, because you could use them to pick apart every single scene in this franchise that has inspired you to be so passionate. You are focusing like a laser on the ending and it is not granting you the perspective to avoid some of these ridiculous conclusions.

I've seen people ask why Sheperd believes the Catalyst? Why dopes he believe ANYONE? The entire series, he has accepted things at face value and run with them and only NOW do you have a problem with it? He had a whole in his stomach and had lost a lot of blood, exactly how defiant was he supposed to be at that moment?

That's just a sample argument. I'm not going to get into it anymore. I've been at it for a week and everyone is too entrenched at this point.

The beauty is, I don't have to argue. I will be proven correct when the ending is left alone. I mean, if you guys are right and your logic is sound, then Bioware will change it. If they don't, it means that there are huge gaps in your understanding of the implications. I doubt you'll admit it, though. Most of you will undoubtedly pout, rather than try to broaden your perspective and understand why things could not change.

Bored.

Honestly, you've had the point of adding, rather than replacing, a new ending put to you multiple times and intentionally dodged it.

Adding a new set of endings to the existing set, or having it as an optional DLC, does not in any way, shape or form impede your gaming experience or current ending selection.

You do not lose anything from this content. You do not lose anything from our position. This is why there is no success in your argument: because there shouldn't be an argument. We are not asking for something that hurts you in anyway (rofl...I couldn't help hearing Harbinger in my head there) so why are you arguing with us?

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[Xenite]

I really got say since this all started I'm seeing like a 90/10 ration of people who hate the ending to liking it.

And much of that 10% (sorry but it's true) are from people who either do not follow that ME series or have only played the third game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

admcmei wrote...

You don't actually see all posts about Mass Effect on twitter. You see the ones they respond to. And they just have to respond more often to positive feedback to make it look almost split. I'm not saying that for certain they do (but they probably do) but still, taking the tweets they respond to as evidence of many people being happy is a lot, lot sillier than taking a poll as science, at least there you know the ratio between the people who voted.

You can see every tweet that's been tweeted to @masseffect by looking at the @mentions. I don't think I've seen many, if any, pro ending tweets being sent to that account. 


-Polite

[terdferguson123]

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Thanks for proving my point. "Snide" huh? So, a twitter post that sais, some people liked the ending.. Is now snide? Do you see what I was referring to? Your retake movement is taking even the slightest disagreements as personal attacks. Why the heck would Bioware want to talk to you? You certainly do not deserve to what you are asking for. Not lately.

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm. I disagreed with you, how does that automatically constitute being unworthy of being spoken to? Or constitute a "snide" post?

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

You said that the Bioware tweet was snide. That's what I was referring to. And I said that it's completey ridiculous that a twitter post that literally sais almost nothing but minor disagreement you take as as snide.

[goose2989]

First of all, plenty is a relative term. "Plenty" is this case may mean a few dozen Tweets. Second, the fact that Mr Gamble is even acknowledging this problem in such a way could be viewed as a success on our part.

[Kushan101]

Vixy wrote...


Completely OT but you are seriously getting to be my favorite person on these forums.

I second that!

[locsphere]

Twitter doesn't matter, you can't give them any criticism other than you hated the endings and thats considered rude. 140 characters can barely ask a legit question. If you want I will let them know that I did not like the endings!

[admcmei]

SmokePants wrote...
The beauty is, I don't have to argue. I will be proven correct when the ending is left alone. I mean, if you guys are right and your logic is sound, then Bioware will change it. If they don't, it means that there are huge gaps in your understanding of the implications. I doubt you'll admit it, though. Most of you will undoubtedly pout, rather than try to broaden your perspective and understand why things could not change.

Oh my god, you really believe that? That BioWareis an infallible entity and everything they do is right and everything they don't do is wrong? And I gues you would be offended if after a stement like that people called you a fanboy? You just classified yourself as such by implying "whatever they do is the right thing to do".

[RedShft]

Myrmedus wrote...

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm. I disagreed with you, how does that automatically constitute being unworthy of being spoken to? Or constitute a "snide" post?

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

Yes, that's true. There's no reason why people who dislike the ending and those we actually liked it can't agree and discuss things civilly. There's also no reason why, there can't be some sort of compromise. 

Needless to say, there's no reason why those would did like THIS ending won't like a new ending BETTER. 

This shouldn't be black and white, you liked or hated the ending. Opinons abou the ending are far more complex than this.

I second that this is a PR spin trying to diffuse and turn people against each other. Don't listen to it.

[Apathy1989]

Some people appear to claim to like the ending, alot more simply say bioware shouldn't be forced to change it, so the twitter account isn't lying in that regard.

However though, they are clearly downplaying the rage the majority of the fanbase are displaying. If the ending isn't fixed, never going to buy a bioware game again. Its that simple.

[elsrickle]

Ugh, just finished the game and that was just terrible. If I can bring myself to do another playthrough I'll probably just stop playing before the earth mission, maybe try to forget that terrible ending.

[BWGungan]

Panicomatic wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ignore the PR, respect everyone's opinion, and don't get distracted. If these ending likers really are plants, well that says a lot about the situation. But we cannot be certain of this.

Come on guys, relax, chill out, and listen to some Slayer.

Listening to Daft punk atm. Discovery helps restore my calm.

Mmmm, good idea.

[Drxx]

Lozark wrote...

Jerks. Maybe I really should see about returning my game...

This.

And moar - plenty is 10 o 100 people?
Just curius.

[Myrmedus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Thanks for proving my point. "Snide" huh? So, a twitter post that sais, some people liked the ending.. Is now snide? Do you see what I was referring to? Your retake movement is taking even the slightest disagreements as personal attacks. Why the heck would Bioware want to talk to you? You certainly do not deserve to what you are asking for. Not lately.

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm. I disagreed with you, how does that automatically constitute being unworthy of being spoken to? Or constitute a "snide" post?

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

You said that the Bioware tweet was snide. That's what I was referring to. And I said that it's completey ridiculous that a twitter post that literally sais almost nothing but minor disagreement you take as as snide.

You won't have seen it all, because you're on the other side of the fence: this is not an isolated incident. That is why I am able to detect the snideness of the comment.

To quote Liara: "I cannot point to one particular piece of evidence, it is more a feeling derived from a half-century (not quite!) worth of study."

The comment in of itself could be viewed as not being snide but the context is where it gets that additional zing. They are not being balanced in their viewpoint. They are not giving us the same credence as those who are in favour of th eendings, They are biased, and that is what stokes the ire.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Zulmoka531]

The Tweet really just seems like PR.
Look at it from a distance. They are already in hot water, there are a few signs that point in that direction. If they snub the other side of the field, then that side starts attacking them and "us" as well.

Also, it would be PR suicide to come out and say that they screwed up right now, so in addition the other reason I stated, they just reaffirm that people like the ending.

They save face, keep at least one side of the field calm, and those who already don't like the ending have more fuel for their cause. Bioware is in a lose/lose/lose situation, and it is going to take a while for this all to settle out, one way or another.

[Icesong]

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.