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[UndeadTRex]

Man, I really hope this isn't a glimpse of the future. Staying silent is one thing, but to actually point out there are people who liked the ending while actively avoiding the fact that it was mostly hated.....It's just frustrating.

[Myrmedus]

Icesong wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.

Some people like having molten hot candle wax dripped on their nether regions.

...I hope this just proved a point.

[Vromrig]

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.

Some people liked film "Gigli."

Interesting anecdote. Horrifying implications.

[Kanon777]

I love it how you people get upset over any statement that dosent perfectly conforms with your worldview, and start bashing Bioware even tho the twitter guy/girl never said anything wrong, they just acnoledged the existence of people who dont hate the endings...

This behaviour is why "PLENTY" of people would hate to see you get what you want.

[Sc2mashimaro]

 Well, I can say, anecdotally that the others who were very excited about the game here where I go to school were not too pleased with the ending.

If they don't make a good-faith effort to fix the ending, I just won't buy any Mass Effect 3 DLC - multi player or single player. Nor will I finish up buying ME2 DLC (I still hadn't got around to getting the Kasumi stuff, but I *had* been meaning to).

If they do make a good-faith effort to release content addressing the ending, I'd be more than excited to get all the DLC I can get my hands on.

[terdferguson123]

goose2989 wrote...

First of all, plenty is a relative term. "Plenty" is this case may mean a few dozen Tweets. Second, the fact that Mr Gamble is even acknowledging this problem in such a way could be viewed as a success on our part.

The fact that you immediately dismiss "plenty" as the lesser amount also goes to show just how biased you are.

[savionen]

I imagine they planned on making a Mass Effect 4 already, where the relays are destroyed and such. That's really the only logical reason to have the relays explode in all endings. It's probably also why they left things so open, so they could tell you what actually happened later.

They didn't expect this much of a backlash, so they're scrambling to figure out what to do at the end.

Really though, they still could have easily had an epilogue, and there's plenty of ways to put Shepard out of action without killing him.

[Skirlasvoud]

To be fair, mirta (the one to whom the employee replied) came on a little strong.

You have feedback of 50K people that are your dearest fans! At least other companies had the brains to see the alarm.

That's called an opinionated, polarizing statement: "Dearest fans" "Other companies had a brain"



I think it's fair that they replied in the way they did.

We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

Perfectly balanced, objective observation.


This is the bit were we are being a entitled.


Hold the Line! But if you run out of ammo, I can throw you a spare clip. No need to start throwing fesces.

[WarMachine919]

SmokePants wrote...

I've been arguing for almost two weeks. It's futile. Your arguments don't hold up when applied to the whole of the series, because you could use them to pick apart every single scene in this franchise that has inspired you to be so passionate. You are focusing like a laser on the ending and it is not granting you the perspective to avoid some of these ridiculous conclusions.

I've seen people ask why Sheperd believes the Catalyst? Why dopes he believe ANYONE? The entire series, he has accepted things at face value and run with them and only NOW do you have a problem with it? He had a hole in his stomach and had lost a lot of blood, exactly how defiant was he supposed to be at that moment?

That's just a sample argument. I'm not going to get into it anymore. I've been at it for a week and everyone is too entrenched at this point.

The beauty is, I don't have to argue. I will be proven correct when the ending is left alone. I mean, if you guys are right and your logic is sound, then Bioware will change it. If they don't, it means that there are huge gaps in your understanding of the implications. I doubt you'll admit it, though. Most of you will undoubtedly pout, rather than try to broaden your perspective and understand why things could not change.

Whether or not BW changes the ending, doesn't make us right or wrong. It is what it is. An opinion.

I still don't understand why you feel so strongly when you have nothing to gain or lose from any of this.

But I do respect your feelings on this. I don't think your just trolling. But still, it's really not your fight.

[Siegdrifa]

jojimbo wrote...

if bioware dont fix up something quick, this place will resemble the mafia2 forum over at take2, the devs nonchalantly waqved off the fanbase of the mafia franchise and now that franchise, the forums etc are DEAD.
whats worrying is this forum is now resembling those forums in the first two weeks of release of the game, 2kczech were railroaded by take2 to release a half finished game and stuff was cut out and sold as ...you guessed it...DLC
believe me the "affront" was all directed at the fans, the once great franchise reduced to a dlc, counters, spinning icons and leaderboards. R.I.P Mafia2

@bioware...dont leave it too long to respond, or you will lose everything

Time isn't on their side.

The longer they take time to process their data, the more they will loose supporters for future product at short and long term.

They said they need more than 2 week to take a decision ?
Seriously, it's been 1 week and hald the game was released here is the price droped twice already on amazon only.
Those insatisfied wating for answers won't be "satisfied in two weeks", and they will put their copy of ME3 on the second hand market when they will be tired of waiting, it's not doing ME3 finish any honor.

[NekOoNinja]

Why do I mostly see "I like the ending" stuff in english? In other forums the ratio is still crushingly disproportional. Don't know about FB or tweets, cause I don't follow these.

There was also a post somewhere (can't find the link at the moment) of a poll done on the webpage of a german games mag called Gamestar. Well over 50% did not like the ending.

Modifié par NekOoNinja, 20 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Kanon777]

Icesong wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.

Why shouldnt they? Bioware never said it will do what the small minority opinion wants instead of the overwelming majority, but they say they will listen to EVERYONE, what is so evil about that?

[syllogi]

Honestly, I dislike the ending as much as most folks, but the person monitoring the @masseffect account is a human being, who probably feels like their co-workers are being attacked at the moment. If they seem defensive, it's because they're being put in that position.

Making a new affronted thread any time they post anything that's even vaguely positive about the game isn't going to make Bioware see the light.

[Myrmedus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

First of all, plenty is a relative term. "Plenty" is this case may mean a few dozen Tweets. Second, the fact that Mr Gamble is even acknowledging this problem in such a way could be viewed as a success on our part.

The fact that you immediately dismiss "plenty" as the lesser amount also goes to show just how biased you are.

Of course we're biased! That's a statement of the obvious!

And you're biased too.

The point is, BW should not be biased: they should be giving equal credence and I'm sure they are not.

Every time a point is raised on Twitter: "The ending was crap" it gets a sarcastic response from BW.

Every time this point is raised on Twitter: "The ending was great" it gets this response "Glad you loved the game!"

Clear bias.

[Myrmedus]

tobito113 wrote...

Icesong wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.

Why shouldnt they? Bioware never said it will do what the small minority opinion wants instead of the overwelming majority, but they say they will listen to EVERYONE, what is so evil about that?

What's 'evil' about it is that they're pitting us against each other.

The requests of those who dislike the ending do not conflict with those, like yourself, that enjoy the game as is. We wish for additional content rather than replacements, yet BW are intentionally hanging on some who have dared to use the word "change" as a means of weakening our proposal.

The reality is that there is no conflict. We wish for additional content. Those who enjoy what they have can keep it.

Finally, there is a difference between words and action:

BW are saying they will listen to everyone, however all you need do is look at their tweets to see this is not true:

Criticisms get responded to with sarcasm and nonchalence, praise gets responded to with encouragement and cookies.

Seems very balanced to me.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

The game was falsely advertised. Shouldn't matter how many people are happy with the false advertisement since false advertisement is still wrong.

A car can be sold with advertisement stating that it goes from 0 to 100kph in 4 seconds but it actually takes 7 seconds. Even if 95% of people are happy with that the 5% of people who want their 4 second car are still entitled to it.

[Illusory_Enemy]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Thanks for proving my point. "Snide" huh? So, a twitter post that sais, some people liked the ending.. Is now snide? Do you see what I was referring to? Your retake movement is taking even the slightest disagreements as personal attacks. Why the heck would Bioware want to talk to you? You certainly do not deserve to what you are asking for. Not lately.

With all due respect, you're the one crossing the line, accusing people of being a murderous cult-sect calling for blood? For what? Trolling twitter posts on the interwebz?

People write many things, say much more things but really mean half of them. The amount of rage seen on these forums is almost non-existant simply because 99,9% of the people really enjoyed the game besides a little flaw. Being vocal (even colorful) about this flaw is one thing, going around with a sniper rifle is another.

[terdferguson123]

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Thanks for proving my point. "Snide" huh? So, a twitter post that sais, some people liked the ending.. Is now snide? Do you see what I was referring to? Your retake movement is taking even the slightest disagreements as personal attacks. Why the heck would Bioware want to talk to you? You certainly do not deserve to what you are asking for. Not lately.

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm. I disagreed with you, how does that automatically constitute being unworthy of being spoken to? Or constitute a "snide" post?

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

You said that the Bioware tweet was snide. That's what I was referring to. And I said that it's completey ridiculous that a twitter post that literally sais almost nothing but minor disagreement you take as as snide.

You won't have seen it all, because you're on the other side of the fence: this is not an isolated incident. That is why I am able to detect the snideness of the comment.

To quote Liara: "I cannot point to one particular piece of evidence, it is more a feeling derived from a half-century (not quite!) worth of study."

The comment in of itself could be viewed as not being snide but the context is where it gets that additional zing. They are not being balanced in their viewpoint. They are not giving us the same credence as those who are in favour of th eendings, They are biased, and that is what stokes the ire.

lol you are wrong about this, not trying to be mean, but it's you who see it as snide becuase of the context in which you see it. Not the other way around. If the tweet said something like "The ending is perfect, anyone who disagrees is wrong" Then I would see it as snide. As it stands, it's just a simple tweet speaking about how some people like the ending. You are making it out like the statement is false. Believe it or not, a lot of people really do like the ending, so not only is the Bioware tweet not snide, but it is also correct. The fact that you see a simple statement as snide, does a lot to show your actual position.

[minirlz]

admcmei wrote...

You don't actually see all posts about Mass Effect on twitter. You see the ones they respond to. And they just have to respond more often to positive feedback to make it look almost split. I'm not saying that for certain they do (but they probably do) but still, taking the tweets they respond to as evidence of many people being happy is a lot, lot sillier than taking a poll as science, at least there you know the ratio between the people who voted.

 
You speak far from the truth online polls are well known for being unbelievably wrong 99.999999% of the time also a poll is far from credible science the only way you can no for sure is if you went to everyones house and ask them what they thought you'd also have to be able to read minds

[RedShft]

tobito113 wrote...

I love it how you people get upset over any statement that dosent perfectly conforms with your worldview, and start bashing Bioware even tho the twitter guy/girl never said anything wrong, they just acnoledged the existence of people who dont hate the endings...

This behaviour is why "PLENTY" of people would hate to see you get what you want.

Your behavior, is why people hate it when they see tweets like this.

[RDSFirebane]

SmokePants wrote...

The beauty is, I don't have to argue. I will be proven correct when the ending is left alone. I mean, if you guys are right and your logic is sound, then Bioware will change it. If they don't, it means that there are huge gaps in your understanding of the implications. I doubt you'll admit it, though. Most of you will undoubtedly pout, rather than try to broaden your perspective and understand why things could not change.

Nope no pouting here sir I'll just take my game back seeing how amazon and other places from what friends have told me are offering refunds. which when you think about it is odd for a triple a title thats what only 3 weeks old....

[Kanon777]

https://twitter.com/...240494196228096

New tweet about this "controversy"

Modifié par tobito113, 20 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[Myrmedus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

I read youtube comments all the time, it's not half as bad as the crap I have read here in the last week. The vast majority of people sound like they are calling out for Bioware blood.

Mate, if you want to understand why, spend a day on these forums or looking at some of the links posted in the "endings hate" threads from the perspective that you hate the endings and they've ruined your experience of ME.

If you do that you'll understand why. The vitroil is coming from the disrespect, abhorrence and silence. It is coming from the PR stunts and blatant bull****. It is coming from the fact there is no good reason to not produce the capability for additional endings except $$$.

It is like arguing with someone who you know is wrong, and that person knows they are wrong too, but no matter how much you destroy them in the argument with hard facts, evidence and data, they will persist and won't admit it. They'll even add in some sarcastic and snide comments, to boot.

That is what it is currently with BW, and that kind of thing will anger people especially when dealing with snide little comments like posted on Twitter.

Thanks for proving my point. "Snide" huh? So, a twitter post that sais, some people liked the ending.. Is now snide? Do you see what I was referring to? Your retake movement is taking even the slightest disagreements as personal attacks. Why the heck would Bioware want to talk to you? You certainly do not deserve to what you are asking for. Not lately.

How exactly was my post snide? Read my post again, it was quite passive, certainly not an angled attack at you and calm. I disagreed with you, how does that automatically constitute being unworthy of being spoken to? Or constitute a "snide" post?

You don't seem to understand. The Twitter post does not say "some people liked the ending" - it says "some people liked the ending and consider it an affront to change it."

This is blatent factionism on their part: they are turning those for the endings against those against. It's low.

You said that the Bioware tweet was snide. That's what I was referring to. And I said that it's completey ridiculous that a twitter post that literally sais almost nothing but minor disagreement you take as as snide.

You won't have seen it all, because you're on the other side of the fence: this is not an isolated incident. That is why I am able to detect the snideness of the comment.

To quote Liara: "I cannot point to one particular piece of evidence, it is more a feeling derived from a half-century (not quite!) worth of study."

The comment in of itself could be viewed as not being snide but the context is where it gets that additional zing. They are not being balanced in their viewpoint. They are not giving us the same credence as those who are in favour of th eendings, They are biased, and that is what stokes the ire.

lol you are wrong about this, not trying to be mean, but it's you who see it as snide becuase of the context in which you see it. Not the other way around. If the tweet said something like "The ending is perfect, anyone who disagrees is wrong" Then I would see it as snide. As it stands, it's just a simple tweet speaking about how some people like the ending. You are making it out like the statement is false. Believe it or not, a lot of people really do like the ending, so not only is the Bioware tweet not snide, but it is also correct. The fact that you see a simple statement as snide, does a lot to show your actual position.

No, it's not.

Again, you omit the "affront" part which essentially pits us against each other (and hey, presto, here we are against each other! Would you look at that!)

What it basically means is that those who like the ending feel threatened, and like they will lose their beloved ending to appease us who wish a new ending. That places us in direct conflict, hence this entire thread. It is also not true, as we simply want additional content that is entirely optional, but it is the perfect ruse to make us argue over it and to cement BW's position.

There has been very little to no encouraging news for our corner from BW. There has been so much in favour of your corner. I understand criticism is hard but this bias is clear. Look at the tweets, for heaven sake: not just the one I mentioned but those that have followed. Criticisms = bashed, Praises = cookie.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[BWGungan]

Turtlicious wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Lanay wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

 Why are you guys getting so angry over a simple statement? All it is a twitter message saying some people liked the ending... You guys are honestly getting out of control. It's starting to scare me a bit, this whole retake movement is taking on a real cult mentality. It started out as a simple ending dlc movement, and it has quickly turned into a bunch of vile human beings spitting hate every which way if everyone doesn't agree with their opinion 100%

You have obviously never been to the YouTube comments section.  This is not scary internet behaviour at all.  In fact, for the most part, it's shockingly civil and organized.

this. I've seen scary internet behavior. I'm actually pleasantly suprised by how civil this board is.

It only seems civil because you agree with most of whats being posted. I am referring to the fact that the retake movement is to the point where they won't even discuss the ending. I have seen several threads from gamers who wanted to actually legitamately discuss the ending, unfortanately, those threads get overran with a constant amount of "HE LIKED THE ENDING!? HE MUST BE AN IDIOT! HE PROBOBLY ISNT A FAN OF THE SERIES!!! HE'S GOT TO BE TROLLING!!" I'm not talking about insulting, I am referring to the general lack of common sense that you all seem to posess. You guys just cannot fathom that some people like the ending how it is. As I stated earlier, just wanting an ending dlc at the start was fine, but you guys have got to stop attacking other people who enjoyed it.

I suggest you read some of those threads again and look at them objectively.

I think you'll find the majority of them, the OP who states they liked the ending also puts in comments like this "and anyone who argues the ending is objectively bad is talking nonsense" or "and everyone complaining about the ending being bad is just a whiner."

Most of their posts incite.

Oh really? I made several threads attempting to discuss the ending after I had just completed the game, I had no opinion either way, no where in my post does it say anything about who's right or wrong. I simply tried to explain some of the common misconceptions and I got my head bit off by people saying I was Trolling, a bioware employee, and countless others. You are blind to that which you agree with, you only see what you disagree with.

you wrote the bottom post 32 minutes ago.

terdferguson123 wrote...

Ken Levine is right, he's also a hell of a game dev. Sorry retake fans,
but you guys are on the verge of compromising the thrill of games.
Imagine what happens if you guys get bioware rewrite the ending. You
will serve as an example, and groups everywhere will ask for game
remakes/rewrites and in turn, we will lose that thrilling spark of "i
wonder whats next".

Now if I wanted to search I could probably find a much worse post, but even this one is saying that our movement is going to take the thrill out of the gaming media. Which isn't fair.

Yes, Ken Levine is a great developer, and his point holds weight to a point, but I'd like to believe Ken Levine wouldn't end a beloved franchise with a 8th grader's creative writing assignment.

Seriously, all people wanted was an ending that made sense, answered a few questions, and showed that all our effort wasn't for nothing.  This ending didn't do any of that.

Modifié par BWGungan, 20 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[Icesong]

tobito113 wrote...

Icesong wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

I read alot of tweets of people who did like the ending, so the tweet is right

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.

Why shouldnt they? Bioware never said it will do what the small minority opinion wants instead of the overwelming majority, but they say they will listen to EVERYONE, what is so evil about that?

If you believe it's honest and not some kind of attempt at PR deflection then yes, on its face there's nothing wrong with saying it.