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[terdferguson123]

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

First of all, plenty is a relative term. "Plenty" is this case may mean a few dozen Tweets. Second, the fact that Mr Gamble is even acknowledging this problem in such a way could be viewed as a success on our part.

The fact that you immediately dismiss "plenty" as the lesser amount also goes to show just how biased you are.

Of course we're biased! That's a statement of the obvious!

And you're biased too.

The point is, BW should not be biased: they should be giving equal credence and I'm sure they are not.

Every time a point is raised on Twitter: "The ending was crap" it gets a sarcastic response from BW.

Every time this point is raised on Twitter: "The ending was great" it gets this response "Glad you loved the game!"

Clear bias.

So, you what your saying is that, when somebody posts a "The ending was great!" tweet, Bioware should respond with "No, your wrong, it was terrible" Basically, what your saying is that you find it strange that Bioware supports it's own game. Hmm. Figure that one out.

[MandatoryDenial1]

I am sure they have had some feedback from people who liked the ending.  I am sure that will be the plausible deniability that they will hide behind if they make the decision to not do anything.  It still doesn't make the ending a tragedy and one of the most epic of blunders in gaming ever.  The only one that still takes the cake was the Pools of Radiance bug that uninstalled the windows operating system IMHO.

[Elite Midget]

Denial....

For every 1 that liked the random ending there are plenty more that hate it outright.

[Kanon777]

Myrmedus wrote...

What's 'evil' about it is that they're pitting us against each other.

The requests of those who dislike the ending do not conflict with those, like yourself, that enjoy the game as is. We wish for additional content rather than replacements, yet BW are intentionally hanging on some who have dared to use the word "change" as a means of weakening our proposal.

The reality is that there is no conflict. We wish for additional content. Those who enjoy what they have can keep it.

Finally, there is a difference between words and action:

BW are saying they will listen to everyone, however all you need do is look at their tweets to see this is not true:

Criticisms get responded to with sarcasm and nonchalence, praise gets responded to with encouragement and cookies.

Seems very balanced to me.

They arent pitting us against eachother, they are saying that there are people in the fanbase with diferent opinions. If YOU start an argument over the fact that they noted our existence then YOU are trying to break the community apart.

[Myrmedus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

First of all, plenty is a relative term. "Plenty" is this case may mean a few dozen Tweets. Second, the fact that Mr Gamble is even acknowledging this problem in such a way could be viewed as a success on our part.

The fact that you immediately dismiss "plenty" as the lesser amount also goes to show just how biased you are.

Of course we're biased! That's a statement of the obvious!

And you're biased too.

The point is, BW should not be biased: they should be giving equal credence and I'm sure they are not.

Every time a point is raised on Twitter: "The ending was crap" it gets a sarcastic response from BW.

Every time this point is raised on Twitter: "The ending was great" it gets this response "Glad you loved the game!"

Clear bias.

So, you what your saying is that, when somebody posts a "The ending was great!" tweet, Bioware should respond with "No, your wrong, it was terrible" Basically, what your saying is that you find it strange that Bioware supports it's own game. Hmm. Figure that one out.

No, the reverse.

If someone responds with "The ending was crap" they should be invested into why that person believes it was crap, not responding with sarcastic comments.

They should essentially be an intermediary in this case, not a weapon for the defence.

[BWGungan]

Vromrig wrote...

You can find people to like anything, even the worst things in the world. The question is why they would point out what is by all appearances a minority opinion in the face of all this criticism.

Some people liked film "Gigli."

Interesting anecdote. Horrifying implications.

BWAAHAHAHAHA

[NekOoNinja]

Can't we just all get along? Calm down and do calibrations or something? T_T

[DigitalMaster37]

Let the PR team do what they do, just let us keep doing what we're doing. That is the best way to combat it. Stop b****in about it. Hold the Line and let the PR spins do what they do. Apparently what we're doing is working. The more you b**** the more ammo you give them to minimize our impact.

Logic people, Logic. If we have any chance to get the endings we want, its by remaining respectful and staying committed.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Skirlasvoud wrote...


To be fair, mirta (the one to whom the employee replied) came on a little strong.

You have feedback of 50K people that are your dearest fans! At least other companies had the brains to see the alarm.

That's called an opinionated, polarizing statement: "Dearest fans" "Other companies had a brain"



I think it's fair that they replied in the way they did.

We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

Perfectly balanced, objective observation.


This is the bit were we are being a entitled.


Hold the Line! But if you run out of ammo, I can throw you a spare clip. No need to start throwing fesces.

Well said.

[mghjr6]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Oh really? I made several threads attempting to discuss the ending after I had just completed the game, I had no opinion either way, no where in my post does it say anything about who's right or wrong. I simply tried to explain some of the common misconceptions and I got my head bit off by people saying I was Trolling, an idiot, a bioware employee, and countless others. You are blind to that which you agree with, you only see what you disagree with.

To be fair, yes there are a lot of hot heads. It was worse right at the beginning because it was the most emotional time for most of us. I'm sure you have been attacked unnecessarily. But it happens from both sides. One person expresses an opinion, another lashes out, the first person lashes back. Happens all the time. Still happening, as evidenced in this thread by some people talking about returning their copies of the game.

Watching the months leading up to release, I saw far more rage then than I do now. Now I see a few people throwing mild tantrums, but since Retake and Indoc Theory came around, things have lightened up impressively. It provides hope to many who have the emotional investment on that level, and it gives us an outlet.

To be honest, you're starting more fires here than it's worth. You're not going to change anyone's mind or behavior wading into these threads with a torch and pitchfork.

[Myrmedus]

tobito113 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

What's 'evil' about it is that they're pitting us against each other.

The requests of those who dislike the ending do not conflict with those, like yourself, that enjoy the game as is. We wish for additional content rather than replacements, yet BW are intentionally hanging on some who have dared to use the word "change" as a means of weakening our proposal.

The reality is that there is no conflict. We wish for additional content. Those who enjoy what they have can keep it.

Finally, there is a difference between words and action:

BW are saying they will listen to everyone, however all you need do is look at their tweets to see this is not true:

Criticisms get responded to with sarcasm and nonchalence, praise gets responded to with encouragement and cookies.

Seems very balanced to me.

They arent pitting us against eachother, they are saying that there are people in the fanbase with diferent opinions. If YOU start an argument over the fact that they noted our existence then YOU are trying to break the community apart.

Incorrect.

This thread started off with those in Retake, people came into this thread and argued with us, such as yourself.

And I believe BW's comments have had a hand in that.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 20 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[SmokePants]

Myrmedus wrote...



Bored.

Honestly, you've had the point of adding a new ending put to you multiple times and intentionally dodged it.

Adding a new set of endings to the existing set, or having it as an optional DLC, does not in any way, shape or form impede your gaming experience or current ending selection.

You do not lose anything from this content. You do not lose anything from our position. This is why there is no success in your argument: because there shouldn't be an argument. We are not asking for something that hurts you in anyway (rofl...I couldn't help hearing Harbinger in my head there) so why are you arguing with us?

I am not afraid of being hurt. I am not afraid for my enjoyment. I am not looking at this siutationa at all from such a narrow perspective.

The simple fact is that changing the ending won't work! It's too late. You think you'll be happy, but most likely, you won't like the new ending either and this whole thing will start over again.

But regarding your argument specifically, let's say they put a button on the controller which kills every enemy on the screen. Would that bother you? You don't have to use it! It's just there for those who want it! And you wouldn't feel at all tempted by or grow resentful toward the cheap out, I'm sure.

That poor Bioware writer got bombed for saying that there should be a skip combat button in games. Same "Don't like it; don't use it" argument. Now we have many of those same people demanding a "Skip Difficult Choice" button. Total hypocrisy.

But again, the beauty is that I don't feel like I have to convince anyone of anything. I believe that the whole of Bioware agrees with me that overhauling the ending is not going to have a net positive effect and is not an option.

Modifié par SmokePants, 20 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[admcmei]

Myrmedus wrote...
The requests of those who dislike the ending do not conflict with those, like yourself, that enjoy the game as is. We wish for additional content rather than replacements, yet BW are intentionally hanging on some who have dared to use the word "change" as a means of weakening our proposal.

The reality is that there is no conflict. We wish for additional content. Those who enjoy what they have can keep it.

And the fact that most of them won't just settle for this and say "hey, we're ok, then, everyone could be happy", just shows you where the conflict really comes from. It's like being a vegetarian, you don't really bother anybody by not eating meat but still some people always try to argue with you about you being a vegetarian, for no reason the hate it. People just don't like people who take stands and make choices, no mater the scale of the thing, it's that "who does he think he is?!?!?!" instict a lot of human beings sadly have.

[Aweus]

Well, guy running Mass Effect Twitter got trolled again.

Shane Rudy ‏ @masseffect Why don't we get to go and take back Omega with Aria, cause well you don't **** with her. And Cerberus totally did.
Mass Effect @same_dumb_name Good suggestion, thanks!

[doodiebody]

The few personal friends I have that played the game all hated the ending as did all of my online friends. None of them are the type to spend time on the forums complaining about it. Obviously anecdotal, but it certainly seems it's more than a "vocal minority" considering the "silent" people I've talked to also hated it.

[Kanon777]

Myrmedus wrote...

No, the reverse.

If someone responds with "The ending was crap" they should be invested into why that person believes it was crap, not responding with sarcastic comments.

They should essentially be an intermediary in this case, not a weapon for the defence.

THEY DO!!!!!! Check the twitter, everytime someone comes up and say they hate the endings, the guy asks them back wht they didnt like about it. Call it PR or whatever but is NOT ignoring people who have bad feedback, see for yourself!!!!

https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect

Modifié par tobito113, 20 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Endersgone]

Is this real life?

[Tovanus]

Translation: An overwhelming number of people have weighed in on the ending. Even though it seems like 95% of them hate the ending, the other 5% consider it a good ending, and that 5% is "plenty" of people.

As straw-man as it sounds, most of the people who think it is an affront to change the ending don't even bother defending the absurd number of plotholes. They tend to opt into the "no fan has a right to tell an artist that his work is bad and should be changed" camp. You see it in article after article in support of Bioware's ending. That's not a defense of the ending, it's more of a defense of Bioware's right to wreck their series with a terrible ending.

[Kingthlayer]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I loved the ending. Don't think your opinions is a consensus. Merely a vocal minority on internet forums.

It is by far the majority of the internet fans that hate the ending.  And honestly nobody else really matters, if you don't voice your opinion on the matter, you don't exist.  To assume that every single person who bought the game and doesn't complain likes the ending is just foolish.  So many of these casual fans, never finish the game.

[The Smitchens]

I don't care what they say in some tweet. Results are what I'm looking for. If they change it then they can say what they want.

They have so much incentive to make a new ending on the potential profit alone.  We've all raised over $74k for charity that could have been spent on their DLC.  The market is there.  How many of us have said we'd pay?  It doesn't matter what they say to downplay anything.  If they pass on the marketable opportunity then it's surprising to me that they're as big as they are.  If they take the opportunity then it's expected of them and smart as a business. 

Either way I don't care.  Either we all end up happy with DLC or something or we don't and we rue the day they said "it's done."  But tweets don't make decisions so who cares?

Modifié par The Smitchens, 20 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[BWGungan]

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

I am sure they have had some feedback from people who liked the ending.  I am sure that will be the plausible deniability that they will hide behind if they make the decision to not do anything.  It still doesn't make the ending a tragedy and one of the most epic of blunders in gaming ever.  The only one that still takes the cake was the Pools of Radiance bug that uninstalled the windows operating system IMHO.

Yes, it actually does make the ending the most epic blunder in gaming ever.  The legacy of this will be felt by BioWare and EA for years depending on how they handle it.  I've been a huge fan for nearly 10 years. 

I have officially sworn off anything to do with them if they don't fix the ending.  That's it.  There's no debate here.  My money is not going to fund grade school quality content again, unless I pay a 12 year old to write me a story.

Modifié par BWGungan, 20 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[admcmei]

tobito113 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

No, the reverse.

If someone responds with "The ending was crap" they should be invested into why that person believes it was crap, not responding with sarcastic comments.

They should essentially be an intermediary in this case, not a weapon for the defence.

THEY DO!!!!!! Check the twitter, everytime someone comes up and say they hate the endings, the guy asks them back wht they didnt like about it. Call it PR or whatever but is NOT ignoring people who have bad feedback, see for yourself!!!!

https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect][url=<a href=]https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect[url]

They're doing it NOW after the mess they made to try to seem more balanced. Up until very recently they used to just respond a variantion of "thanks for your feedback" at polite negative feedback for the finale and leave it at that.

[mghjr6]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Let the PR team do what they do, just let us keep doing what we're doing. That is the best way to combat it. Stop b****in about it. Hold the Line and let the PR spins do what they do. Apparently what we're doing is working. The more you b**** the more ammo you give them to minimize our impact.

Logic people, Logic. If we have any chance to get the endings we want, its by remaining respectful and staying committed.

+1

Staying rational and resolute is what gets the job done. Consistancy and stamina wins in the end.

I'd say more, but I just realized I'd need a thesaurus to do so.

[Kanon777]

Cmdr Owen Shepard ‏ @masseffect : choices having consequence is main problem with the ending. That and the end creates more holes thanall the other games combined

Mass Effect ‏@cmdrowenshepard :Your feedback is much appreciated!

How are they ignoring or being dismissive of people who didnt like the ending?