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[Myrmedus]

SmokePants wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...



Bored.

Honestly, you've had the point of adding a new ending put to you multiple times and intentionally dodged it.

Adding a new set of endings to the existing set, or having it as an optional DLC, does not in any way, shape or form impede your gaming experience or current ending selection.

You do not lose anything from this content. You do not lose anything from our position. This is why there is no success in your argument: because there shouldn't be an argument. We are not asking for something that hurts you in anyway (rofl...I couldn't help hearing Harbinger in my head there) so why are you arguing with us?

I am not afraid of being hurt. I am not afraid for my enjoyment. I am not looking at this siutationa at all from such a narrow perspective.

The simple fact is that changing the ending won't work! It's too late. You think you'll be happy, but most likely, you won't like the new ending either and this whole thing will start over again.

That's my decision to make, not yours. I would start the game from scratch, for starters, and even if we didn't like the new ending it'd be a nice olive branch.

Besides, this is why multiple endings were requested. Between different types of endings there is sure to be one virtually everyone likes and approves of.

But regarding your argument specifically, let's say they put a button on the controller which kills every enemy on the screen. Would that bother you? You don't have to use it! It's just there for those who want it! And you wouldn't feel at all tempted by the cheap out, I'm sure.

I can do that already: it's called coalesced.bin - I sometimes use it to tweak the game, I never use it to grant myself infinite ammo or kill switch abilities. This is like saying games that have cheatcodes in them are doomed to be unenjoyable. Decades of gaming history proves otherwise since we choose not to use them except for curiosity and fun.

That poor Bioware writer got bombed for saying that there should be a skip combat button in games. Same "Don't like it; don't use it" argument. Now we have many of those same people demanding a "Skip Difficult Choice" button. Total hypocrisy.

That's not hypocrisy unless you can pinpoint the same people here were those who bombed him about that. I personally didn't even know anything about that so I was not involved, hence I am not a hypocrite (at least not in that regard!)

But again, the beauty is that I don't feel like I have to convince anyone of anything. I believe that the whole of Bioware agrees with me that overhauling the ending is not going to have a net positive effect and is not an option.

I find that a little mean, to be honest. It's like almost taking pleasure in the fact that we'll be shafted. Perhaps that's just the way it reads, however.

[Encarmine]

the basic line is, we ALL need to motivate and get on this twitter crap. and then all go and tell them what we think. Lets face it, giving our opinions here, is like Yelling at the Moon, we just have faith that they even read these forums more than once per day.

On their twitter feeds, their phones vibrate and tell them, each time one of us posts

[Sirartistic]

Bioware please come out and confirm that the end does represent the indoctrination! Its either that or Shepard is dreaming...

[Simpfan]

There are people who dont have problems with the ending, guys...

[erikage]

That's it. I'm done with Bioware. They're just trolling now because of their mess up.

[Kanon777]

admcmei wrote...

They're doing it NOW after the mess they made to try to seem more balanced. Up until very recently they used to just respond a variantion of "thanks for your feedback" at polite negative feedback for the finale and leave it at that.

Wrong!!!, I clearly remember many tweets that where critical of the ending that got just as much attention as the other ones, LONG BEFORE THIS TREAD STARTED!!!

[Ketten]

I'm not even sure how I should feel right about now. :/

[Myrmedus]

tobito113 wrote...

Cmdr Owen Shepard ‏ @masseffect : choices having consequence is main problem with the ending. That and the end creates more holes thanall the other games combined

Mass Effect ‏@cmdrowenshepard :Your feedback is much appreciated!

How are they ignoring or being dismissive of people who didnt like the ending?

They've just started doing that, mate.

In fact, this behaviour from them encourages our ire because it seems they only start to be unbiased when a flame gets lit under their arse.

[panamakira]

Ok so whoever this person is why did they erase the tweet if they think they have the support of soo many fans that loved the ending? They keep writing all this crap and then erase the messages.

Also where are your 50k supporters of the "satisfactory" endings. FYI "professional gaming reviewing sites" don't count. lol

[BWGungan]

SmokePants wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...



Bored.

Honestly, you've had the point of adding a new ending put to you multiple times and intentionally dodged it.

Adding a new set of endings to the existing set, or having it as an optional DLC, does not in any way, shape or form impede your gaming experience or current ending selection.

You do not lose anything from this content. You do not lose anything from our position. This is why there is no success in your argument: because there shouldn't be an argument. We are not asking for something that hurts you in anyway (rofl...I couldn't help hearing Harbinger in my head there) so why are you arguing with us?

I am not afraid of being hurt. I am not afraid for my enjoyment. I am not looking at this siutationa at all from such a narrow perspective.

The simple fact is that changing the ending won't work! It's too late. You think you'll be happy, but most likely, you won't like the new ending either and this whole thing will start over again.

But regarding your argument specifically, let's say they put a button on the controller which kills every enemy on the screen. Would that bother you? You don't have to use it! It's just there for those who want it! And you wouldn't feel at all tempted by or grow resentful toward the cheap out, I'm sure.

That poor Bioware writer got bombed for saying that there should be a skip combat button in games. Same "Don't like it; don't use it" argument. Now we have many of those same people demanding a "Skip Difficult Choice" button. Total hypocrisy.

But again, the beauty is that I don't feel like I have to convince anyone of anything. I believe that the whole of Bioware agrees with me that overhauling the ending is not going to have a net positive effect and is not an option.

That will depend on how they integrate the old ending and new ending.  If they do it well, suspension of disbelief with take over.  If they just tack on a giant elephant, it probably won't stick.

[Hashbeth]

I'm sure some people liked the ending. And that's great. They seem to make up a majority of the twitter feeds/messages to BioWare, but I'm positive that some people have said they like the ending.

But just because something is liked, doesn't make the argument against it unsound. The retake movement has been providing (on the whole) sensible and logical arguments for why the ending of ME3 was sub par. Yes, sarcasm and frustration may enter the mix, but that doesn't invalidate our points.
Until BioWare actually addresses our grievances, either by 'enlightening us' as to why the ending was just so amazing and the retake movement's points are invalid, then this will join the ranks of the countless other PR snippets that say NOTHING.

[Relwyn]

tobito113 wrote...

Cmdr Owen Shepard ‏ @masseffect : choices having consequence is main problem with the ending. That and the end creates more holes thanall the other games combined

Mass Effect ‏@cmdrowenshepard :Your feedback is much appreciated!

How are they ignoring or being dismissive of people who didnt like the ending?

I'm just curious as to how long they're actually gonna "collect feedback". They've recieved literally thousands of complaints about the endings which basically say the same things. 

[Zhor2395]

Voidster wrote...

i dont understand why its so difficult for them to see people getting upset. Someone within the dev group HAD to ask what the heck they were thinking and they must have known there would be outrage.

I mean loosing main characters, helping the races get past the differences they had (even if just for a little while) and taking the fight to a thousand or more reapers? Then...just totally drop all logic and create this ending?

Either they are trolling us, or they are actually so blind to the fan base that they just dont care, OR they deliberately did this so Bioware would fail, and be absorbed into the EA machine. *shakes fist*

Ill hold the line, i cant return my product, however i dont have to purchase one more thing from them.

Actually, its not hard to understand.  Anyone who has worked in anythig corporate (manufacturing or whatever) where the upper management is somewhere else knows there's always a disconnect between the people on the line, and the people who call the shots and think everything is cupcakes and ponies.

Now to be clear.  I hate the endings and hope for a resolution that satisfies me.   But the guys who actually made this probably knew it was crap, and probably did what they could to warn upper management it was a bad idea.  but basically comes down to keep my job and produce something that sucks, or quit or get fired.  The job markets these days reaaally suck.  Heads might roll anyway when Upper Management realizes their cupcakes and ponies are a fantasy and they go on a head hunt, probably starting with the ones most adamament that RGB wheel was a mistake

[RegularX]

My response:

"@masseffect @mirta0001 I've seen some of those people on the forums. Many change their mind when they finish the game."

[Kanon777]

I dont defend Bioware or the staff for stupid things like "Lots of speculation for everyone", but the attitude here is pretty crazy, the twitter guys said nothing wrong and you are being overdramatic, like usually...

[Myrmedus]

Anyone with Twitter, please post that the main problem we have is a lack of variety in the nature of the endings, a lack of choice and a lack of meaningful debate or argument with the Catalyst AI.

[WarMachine919]

tobito113 wrote...

admcmei wrote...

They're doing it NOW after the mess they made to try to seem more balanced. Up until very recently they used to just respond a variantion of "thanks for your feedback" at polite negative feedback for the finale and leave it at that.

Wrong!!!, I clearly remember many tweets that where critical of the ending that got just as much attention as the other ones, LONG BEFORE THIS TREAD STARTED!!!

Okay Dwight...

Anyway, I'm actually with you on this one. No need to worked up over twitter statments. Pointless.

[RedShft]

Simpfan wrote...

There are people who dont have problems with the ending, guys...

If they don't have a problem with the ending, it's more than possible that they wont mind if there's optional DLC that they don't have to buy.

[Myrmedus]

tobito113 wrote...

I dont defend Bioware or the staff for stupid things like "Lots of speculation for everyone", but the attitude here is pretty crazy, the twitter guys said nothing wrong and you are being overdramatic, like usually...

Can you not understand that at all? This has been going on for some time now. It doesn't seem to be moving anywhere, which is why people are getting angry.

[panamakira]

RedShft wrote...

Simpfan wrote...

There are people who dont have problems with the ending, guys...

If they don't have a problem with the ending, it's more than possible that they wont mind if there's optional DLC that they don't have to buy.

QFT.

[Myrmedus]

Screw, I'll sign up to tell them.

I don't know why they use Twitter for such questions though, you can hardly provide a compelling reason why you dislike the ending in a single line.

[Kanon777]

WarMachine919 wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

admcmei wrote...

They're doing it NOW after the mess they made to try to seem more balanced. Up until very recently they used to just respond a variantion of "thanks for your feedback" at polite negative feedback for the finale and leave it at that.

Wrong!!!, I clearly remember many tweets that where critical of the ending that got just as much attention as the other ones, LONG BEFORE THIS TREAD STARTED!!!

Okay Dwight...

Anyway, I'm actually with you on this one. No need to worked up over twitter statments. Pointless.

lol i made an Office reference and didnt even know it... I act just like Dwight sometimes too 

[The Smitchens]

panamakira wrote...

RedShft wrote...

Simpfan wrote...

There are people who dont have problems with the ending, guys...

If they don't have a problem with the ending, it's more than possible that they wont mind if there's optional DLC that they don't have to buy.

QFT.

Double quoted.

[Jack_Forest]

Everyone seems to forget that politeness on the internet is usually an exception rather then the rule...

[leapingmonkeys]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I loved the ending. Don't think your opinions is a consensus. Merely a vocal minority on internet forums.

When ME1 was released, the internet lit up with positive reviews from the consumers.

When ME2 was released, the internet lit up with positive reviews from the consumers.

When ME3 was released, the internet lit up with negative reviews from the consumers.

Everyone took the positive feedback from the consumers for ME1 and ME2 to be legit.  Now that the same consumers are complaining about ME3 suddenly they are a "vocal minority"?  Sorry, neither you nor Bioware get to look one way for ME1/ME2 and look the opposite way for ME3.