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[Myrmedus]

tobito113 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

We just raised almost $100k. At least some of that could've gone towards the funding for the DLC if they'd confirmed it, heh.

But yes, a confirmation would help. This is where the anger comes from: people care this much about the series that they're becoming, essentially, desperate. I don't want my ME to be ruined.

Then understand that they arent confirming to make you angry, the angry fanbase is hurting their sales now. Its because they are probably trying to get the green light from EA, and $100k is probably what Seth Green would charge for a 5 seconds line... they probably need alot more money

Oh of course I know they'd need more. I'm not saying what we raised would finance the whole thing, I'm saying it could've been contributed to it.

[Yargovish]

This is a misquote, what this says is they're getting feedback from people who don't want the endings changed, which we all already know. NOT that they themselves consider changing it an affront.

Modifié par Yargovish, 21 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[Tovanus]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I loved the ending. Don't think your opinions is a consensus. Merely a vocal minority on internet forums.

When ME1 was released, the internet lit up with positive reviews from the consumers.

When ME2 was released, the internet lit up with positive reviews from the consumers.

When ME3 was released, the internet lit up with negative reviews from the consumers.

Everyone took the positive feedback from the consumers for ME1 and ME2 to be legit.  Now that the same consumers are complaining about ME3 suddenly they are a "vocal minority"?  Sorry, neither you nor Bioware get to look one way for ME1/ME2 and look the opposite way for ME3.

With a reaction this overwhelming in numbers and so staggeringly arrayed against the ending, it's pretty clear that that the "pro-ending" group is far, far in the minority of players generally. Leapingmonkeys is exactly right. People can complain about polls or forums or user reviews of having sample bias, but with results this extreme, "sample bias" just doesn't cut it. The majority far outstrips the minority here, and Bioware needs to do serious work to repair their brand name after this debacle.




I don't think the twitter people are dismissive, but they aren't decision makers either. The top end decision makers should have seen this coming before the game was even released (a few people complain about the script having been leaked by someone, claiming that it forced them to rush things out to us, but the criticisms of the leaked script were completely spot on, and Bioware ignored them and pushed forward - I don't believe the leak changed any time frame). The mountain of anger that erupted on the forums after the game was released should have resulted in a far quicker decision to merely announce they would change things, then they should have gathered feedback to make sure the change was exactly what was needed.

The interview given by Hudson referring to the controversy was dismissive. Bioware's failure to quickly assess and give an answer as to whether they would change things has been deflective and dismissive. It shouldn't be surprising though. You'd have to start out as pretty dismissive of the intelligence of your audience to think they wouldn't notice how wide your plotholes get in the last ten minutes of this game.

[Qutayba]

The point is: if BioWare is still thinking about the ending, they should not be Twittering that they are leaning toward any decision until they announce the decision. It's just BAD PR. They should know that every little inkling that comes out is being dissected by fans.

[Piarath]

As a quick side note; anyone notice that a good many people praising them on their ending are buying into the Indoctrination Theory? I hope BioWare realizes that those people aren't going to be happy if they don't extend the ending through DLC to prove them right.

They're probably purposefully and blissfully ignorant.

[Tovanus]

Yargovish wrote...

This is a misquote, what this says is they're getting feedback from people who don't want the endings changed, which we all already know. NOT that they themselves consider changing it an affront.

I think the reason it shows Bioware taking a bad stance is because they're using a rhetorical device to try to make themselves look like they're caught between two groups of dedicated fans and just want to make the decision that's best for both groups. It's deceptive because it hides the complete disparity between the sizes of the two groups and looks like it's tailored to make Bioware seem more sympathetic if they don't make a change.

I don't think the Twitter guys on the whole are dismissive though. Like I said before, they're not really decision makers. But statements like that often precede decisions that dismiss complaints.

[Necrotron]

Don't not prod the enraged mob.

They might bite!

[Burnham1]

They really aren't going to understand just how bad this situation is until it is too late to fix it are they? They do realize every tweet/interview/forum post that either ignores us or blatantly dismisses us just cements it further into our minds that they are no longer worthy of our business, don't they?

Are they really going to play the role of the ignorant snob and stick their nose up at us and dare us to do something about it? Because if that is the case I feel more and more secure in my decision to never give this company another dime.

[Mushufasa1512]

Plenty of speculation for everyone.

[Necrotron]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

I loved the ending. Don't think your opinions is a consensus. Merely a vocal minority on internet forums.

When ME1 was released, the internet lit up with positive reviews from the consumers.

When ME2 was released, the internet lit up with positive reviews from the consumers.

When ME3 was released, the internet lit up with negative reviews from the consumers.

Everyone took the positive feedback from the consumers for ME1 and ME2 to be legit.  Now that the same consumers are complaining about ME3 suddenly they are a "vocal minority"?  Sorry, neither you nor Bioware get to look one way for ME1/ME2 and look the opposite way for ME3.

Spot on.

[Myrmedus]

Tovanus wrote...

Yargovish wrote...

This is a misquote, what this says is they're getting feedback from people who don't want the endings changed, which we all already know. NOT that they themselves consider changing it an affront.

I think the reason it shows Bioware taking a bad stance is because they're using a rhetorical device to try to make themselves look like they're caught between two groups of dedicated fans and just want to make the decision that's best for both groups. It's deceptive because it hides the complete disparity between the sizes of the two groups and looks like it's tailored to make Bioware seem more sympathetic if they don't make a change.

I don't think the Twitter guys on the whole are dismissive though. Like I said before, they're not really decision makers. But statements like that often precede decisions that dismiss complaints.

100x this.

This is what I meant with my earlier posts.

[kookie28]

Is anyone going to PAX? I'd love for someone to bring all of their quotes and misinformation up in a Q&A.

[FoxShadowblade]

I just tweeted that I'm a quint a crap dark matter.
...And I still feel like my twitter makes more sense.

"Oh we got a couple people who liked the ending"
"And...? What about the Retake Movement and all of their feedback?"
"I'm sorry, who?"

Anyone else feeling like that's what we are getting?

[Asepsis]

I can't even...

[Dretlin]

I am not dishearted by this, my feelings are staying the same aslong as the ending does.

[Shiran]

People who are disgruntled with endings scour the Internet looking for a poll to fill out or for a newsgroup or a bulletin board to share their displeasure. People who do not mind the ending are working on their 2nd and 3rd play through.

[MattFini]

Shiran wrote...

People who are disgruntled with endings scour the Internet looking for a poll to fill out or for a newsgroup or a bulletin board to share their displeasure. People who do not mind the ending are working on their 2nd and 3rd play through.

Not really.  With 24 hours in a day they can Tweet and take a poll too.

[Mastermadskills]

**** it.

Returning the game through origin this very second.

[InfiniteDemise]

Shiran wrote...

People who are disgruntled with endings scour the Internet looking for a poll to fill out or for a newsgroup or a bulletin board to share their displeasure. People who do not mind the ending are working on their 2nd and 3rd play through.

No, they aren't. What would the point be? I could take a hammer to my balls and get more out of it than the 2nd and 3rd "play throughs".

Modifié par InfiniteDemise, 21 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[IsleySilverlord]

I feel betrayed.

[Dreogan]

All I can say in response to Bioware on that tweet is "bull****."

[Mastermadskills]

Yup.

I'm done with Bioware.

Never again will they get a cent from me.

[Myrmedus]

The tweets feel like they're getting better to be fair.

[Myrmedus]

Shiran wrote...

People who are disgruntled with endings scour the Internet looking for a poll to fill out or for a newsgroup or a bulletin board to share their displeasure. People who do not mind the ending are working on their 2nd and 3rd play through.

Yeah? Great for you, I'm not really interested in a 2nd or 3rd playthrough so...what you've just said is analogous with this:

"People who are disgruntled with endings scour the Internet looking
for a poll to fill out or for a newsgroup or a bulletin board to share
their displeasure. People who do not mind the ending are eating rotting fish topped with sour milk and decaying excrement."

Ok, maybe not that bad, the game is great overall...but I have no interest in replaying it.

[Spectre_Shepard]

well, they didn't get any from me