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[streamlock]

"We've spoken to plenty of people who loved the direction we took." -Russell Mulcahy 1991 After the release of Highlander II.

[ahandsomeshark]

Seriously bioware? I'm basically sitting here begging you to give me a reason to continue giving you my money in the future and this is what I get? I want a new ending because I want to believe Bioware is still the same company that gave me Jade Empire, and KOTOR, and Mass Effect and etc and that I should expect the same quality of game in the future. Even if you just came out and admitted you messed up and explained that there was a tight schedule and you ran out of time and that you'll hold yourself to a higher standard in the future that would at least restore some of my faith.

[Myrmedus]

totalrecall87 wrote...

This is a PR tatic ment to belittle the movement and possibly try to get a rise out of the members. Don't play into it! Stay Strong Stay Civil Hold the line!

Totally.

It's an attempt to turn fans who enjoy the ending against fans who don't, essentially adding to BW's ranks.

[nevar00]

I guess some people are also okay with plot holes, a dues ex machina, your decisions not mattering and being rendered pointless, and being lied to.

[Arokel]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

species.zero wrote...

The first several times I read that, I was parsing it wrong:

@masseffect wrote...
We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

At first, I though @masseffect was saying they considered changing the endings an affront. However, I think it should be parsed like this:

@masseffect wrote...
We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and who consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

In other words, @masseffect isn't saying they consider changing the endings an affront, but that they get feedback from people who feel that way. That being said, they do seem to be playing up those who like the ending as a larger group than they really are.

You know, that makes a whole lot of sense...

It does and I hope that is the case.

Modifié par Arokel, 20 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[ticklefist]

The fact that they feel they even need to say that has got to be embarrassing.

[2484Stryker]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Changing the ending would indeed be an affront, keep your artistic integrity Bioware, don't let this vocal minority drag you down.

Vocal minority indeed.  Of the ~3 million copies sold, how many did you expect would care enough about a video game and its ending to give their opinion one way or another?  Probably very few - definitely a minority for sure.  But if I'm EA/Bioware, and the vast majority of this minority that cares enough to talk about it is telling me there is something absolutely wrong with my game's ending, you can count on my taking it completely seriously.

And that's exactly what's happening right now.  The vast majority of the people (~3 million) who bought ME3 probably just played it and then forgot about it.  They don't care one way or another whether the ending is good or not - they only care that they had fun while playing it.  That leaves you with a small minority who is passionate about the game and is willing to share their thoughts on the ending online - and right now the vast majority of them is saying that the ending is flawed.

You can argue that those who liked the ending simply doesn't care to argue, and that's fine, but that also means that they don't care about it that much & shouldn't mind the rest of us wanting it changed.

Modifié par 2484Stryker, 20 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[FortitudeSon]

There's a solution to this, they don't need to remove the current ending, just make it one of the possible endings. Include a few alternative ones via DLC like the indoctrination theory and make it so that those who prefer the current endings can choose them if they want.

Isn't that what we ultimately want? To be able to choose the fate of our characters?

[Roguekad]

CimCake wrote...

Risselda wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

There's plenty more who disagree and would consider it an affront if they didn't change it.

Yea.

Amazon and origin are apparently accepting refunds. (havent checked, but heard)

Besides, they dont need to change it if they explain it. Very, very well.

lol is origin accepting refunds? If that's true, EA has pretty much admitted that there's a valid reason for people to want to return the product.

I remember early this morning seeing a thread about them taking back copies. I got my CE at Gamesstop and am hoping some resolution comes out of this.

[wampa]

it's just a PR move. Plenty of feedback my ass. Hold the line people!

[MattFini]

Remember though ... BioWare is NEVER going to say, "hey guys, we messed up!"

That's not an option for them.

It's what they do behind the scenes, and with their announcement that will make all the difference.

Don't get to riled about this. Yes, it's frustrating, but it's also the game.

If they're not going to announce anything until PAX, or right before, let's give them that long to see what they have to say.

Modifié par MattFini, 20 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Saremei]

All I can say is good luck with returning the game. All it does is get your money back from the store. Bioware already got their cash.

[Takibanazaki]

BWGungan wrote...

RedNanaki wrote...

Chris just tweeted that he will be present at PAX.

Someone took his courage pills this morning.

I know you where just kidding, but honestly, with such rage building, I hope there won't be some crazed person starting to throw stuff at them, or anything. I'm honestly concerned for their physical wellbeing. 

[lokiarchetype]

killnoob wrote...

no one cares about the feedback from people who love the ending. BIOWARE how dare you treat everyone's feedback as equal?

So don't get the DLC with the new ending (if they make it).

You get to keep the old ending

We get a new ending

Everyone is happy.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 20 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[MarauderESP]

oh dear .... im holding the line but those pr guys are making me sick and i would never buy another BW product ever again

[BWGungan]

streamlock wrote...

"We've spoken to plenty of people who loved the direction we took." -Russell Mulcahy 1991 After the release of Highlander II.

That is just awesome.

[Fl1xx]

You know what? The last bit of hope I had for BioWare just went right out the window. I can not care less that they're destroying themselves; karma's a ****, and it's going to come right around to stick it's foot up BioWare's metaphorical ass.

Modifié par Fl1xx, 20 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[Sentox6]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I loved the ending. Don't think your opinions is a consensus. Merely a vocal minority on internet forums.

That's great for you. Two facts remain unchanged:

1) It's terrible from the perspective of narrative consistency. Whether or not you like or enjoy it does not change the fact that it utterly betrays the way this series has been constructed up until now. Consensus is irrelevant here.

2) Again, irrespective of opinion, it is not what we were promised. Shepard's choices are largely irrelevant, and the difference between the endings is brief and utterly cosmetic in delivery. On this point, we were given every indication of receiving something if we paid for the product, and we did not. The fact that one group of people may have enjoyed the ending means nothing. The ending is not what BioWare stated it would be.

[Leafs43]

Bioware's Mass Effect 3 twitter is only addressing positive posts.

They were responding to people questioning the end a few days ago, but they stopped.

[beccathelion]

That says 8:36pm? I'm in California... but still that time stamp doesn't seem right? And also, whoa diva, calm down. You just pissed off a ton of fans. Not a good PR move.

[cinderburster]

species.zero wrote...

The first several times I read that, I was parsing it wrong:

@masseffect wrote...
We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

At first, I though @masseffect was saying they considered changing the endings an affront. However, I think it should be parsed like this:

@masseffect wrote...
(We are getting plenty of feedback from) (people who love the ending and who consider the thought of changing it an affront) (as well).

In other words, @masseffect isn't saying they consider changing the endings an affront, but that they get feedback from people who feel that way. That being said, they do seem to be playing up those who like the ending as a larger group than they really are.

EDIT: Added ()'s to delineate sentence blocks in second quote box

I agree.  That may have just been a poorly worded remark that SOUNDS bad but is only a statment of fact, not opinion.

[savionen]

If people that disliked the ending are the vocal minority, then what are people that liked it? The vocal sub-sub-sub-minority?

[BWGungan]

Arokel wrote...

cjmarsh725 wrote...

species.zero wrote...

The first several times I read that, I was parsing it wrong:

@masseffect wrote...
We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

At first, I though @masseffect was saying they considered changing the endings an affront. However, I think it should be parsed like this:

@masseffect wrote...
We are getting plenty of feedback from people who love the ending and who consider the thought of changing it an affront, as well.

In other words, @masseffect isn't saying they consider changing the endings an affront, but that they get feedback from people who feel that way. That being said, they do seem to be playing up those who like the ending as a larger group than they really are.

You know, that makes a whole lot of sense...

It does and I hope that is the case.

I parsed it the second way my first read through.  It doesn't really change my opinion on the matter of the ending being awful and amateurish.

[ScriptDiver]

PR feint PR go for the flank PR... Hold the line.


There is 211 "vocal" pro-ending fans in the FB group.

Modifié par ScriptDiver, 20 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[Myrmedus]

lokiarchetype wrote...

killnoob wrote...

no one cares about the feedback from people who love the ending. BIOWARE how dare you treat everyone's feedback as equal?

So don't get the DLC with the new ending (if they make it).

You get to keep the old ending

We get a new ending

Everyone is happy.

There's no reason they even need to code the DLC to replace the current endings anyway, it could be structured to simply add to the current ending structure.

Of course, if it goes as far back as before the Catalyst reveal then it's a bit more complicated, and while I would prefer that a compromise is not unimaginable.

However, what they're saying is like insinuating you can only have one or the other: a new ending or the old ending. Utter crap!