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Why don't some people want to believe shep is indoctrinated?


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Kamagawa

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Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

Modifié par Kamagawa, 20 mars 2012 - 10:27 .


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Even with the Indoctrination theory it is still a bad ending.

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Because Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

YEEEEEEAH SCIENCE.

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Vigil_N7

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Because the idea that bioware would purposely with hold the real ending because they either didn't have time or because they wanted to release it as DLC is quite frankly insulting and is no way to treat loyal customers.

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Because it's a theory, without any direct intel from Bioware there is no 100% assurance.

At least, that's my personnel reason.

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Because they got fooled and picked either synthesis or control. If they then admitted that the indoctrination theory was true, they'd be admitting they got tricked.

And no one willingly makes a fool of themselves.

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I believe in theories that make falsifiable predictions. I give no credit to theories that establish all of reality is a lie, therefore anything supporting it is true, and anything disproving it is part of the lie.

Complistic wrote...

Because they got fooled and picked either synthesis or control. If they then admitted that the indoctrination theory was true, they'd be admitting they got tricked.

And no one willingly makes a fool of themselves.

 If it's a trick, then we're all fools for buying the game. Your ending sucks too.

Modifié par Taleroth, 20 mars 2012 - 10:29 .


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Taleroth wrote...

I believe in theories that make falsifiable predictions. I give no credit to theories that establish all of reality is a lie, therefore anything supporting it is true, and anything disproving it is part of the lie.


A winner is you!

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Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the idea that bioware would purposely with hold the real ending because they either didn't have time or because they wanted to release it as DLC is quite frankly insulting and is no way to treat loyal customers.


This.

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Because that would mean there's no ending on the disc, and/or that we lost the game and everyone will get harvested now, which hardly makes it any better.

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Complistic wrote...

Because they got fooled and picked either synthesis or control. If they then admitted that the indoctrination theory was true, they'd be admitting they got tricked.

And no one willingly makes a fool of themselves.



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Think about the implications if the theory is true. If they charge for it, they are effectively making players pay for a real ending a VERY dangerous precedent. Even if it is free, there are still those who don't have internet connections who couldn't get it or those who buy it used would presumably have to buy an online pass for an ending (though possibly because they bought it used BioWare and EA would discount this).

That being said I really love the artistic idea of the theory being true. Yes I would buy the ending DLC, but all I'm asking is to examine the repercussions.

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Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the idea that bioware would purposely with hold the real ending because they either didn't have time or because they wanted to release it as DLC is quite frankly insulting and is no way to treat loyal customers.


^ This.

A thousand times, this.

I'm completely undecided on whether we have a ridiculously bad ending or a riduclously bad indoctrination ending - it's like choosing between plague and pestilence.

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I'm sure people WANT to believe, but logic/ pragmatism isn't letting them. I, personally, am on the fence.

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Cuz I don't see a reason to believe it.

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Because it's easier to swallow that BioWare made a poor writing decision than that they are totally out-of-touch with their fanbase, dislike us, sell us incomplete products, and enjoy fooling us and stringing us along.

I can buy that BioWare made a mistake. These things happen. It doesn't seem plausible that such a community-oriented company suddenly became a bunch of jerks.

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Bioware wrote the story.  They haven't said this theory is true.  Therefore, until they do, it isn't.  As much as I dislike loathe the lack of closure in Shepard's story, I don't want someone else to re-write it.  I'd be happy to see a real conclusion....but only from Bioware.

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I'm just not a huge fan of theorizing and writing fan fics.... And when promised closure and a definitive ending, I feel as having to do so is a direct contradiction to what I was promised.

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I don't like the Indoctrination theory. I wont get into why I think it's stupid and doesn't make sense because there are whole threads dedicated to that. If Bioware ends up using the indoctrination theory as an excuse I'll be more pissed off about the endings than I am now. I just want a NEW ending or at least an explanation of their logic behind the current ones.

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Because: "Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." - Shawshank Redemption

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Here some of the many resons. So first, why aren't your squadmates indoctrinated? Second, indoctrination is a slow process and shepard has been exposed to very little reaper tech for short amounts of time so how can he be indoctrinated? And about the part where indoctrination causes betrayal and where shepard shoots anderson. This was forced by the Illusive Man and shepard clearly didn't do this on purpose if you look at his expression and if you pay attention you see the Illusive Man using biotics to make him shoot (watch his hand!). The part where it fades to white after being hit by the laser is plainly just one of those artistic ways to show a near death experience. Well what about the part where shepard is laying in debris that is clearly london? You got me there, but I wouldn't be suprised if this was just another plothole by Bioware. What about when Anderson is at the terminal first? If you listen he clearly says the rooms are changing and as you walk towards him you see the walls moving or closing off a room that anderson came from. "Well the radio says the team was decimated!". Yes, but was shepard dead? No. So Anderson probably made it the same way Shepard did

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Because of Casey Hudson, Chris Hepler and Derek Watts.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Because Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

YEEEEEEAH SCIENCE.


But it is all essentially in shep's head, where everything is possible.

If you are gonna use real world science in a FICTIONAL universe, you should also conclude that indoctrination doesn't occure and that saren, benesia and TIM and others caught a slightly contagious form of insanity.

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Kamagawa wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Because Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

YEEEEEEAH SCIENCE.


But it is all essentially in shep's head, where everything is possible.

If you are gonna use real world science in a FICTIONAL universe, you should also conclude that indoctrination doesn't occure and that saren, benesia and TIM and others caught a slightly contagious form of insanity.


The situation is present in the real world. We are not dealing with a realistic case study.

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Fuzrum77 wrote...

Because: "Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." - Shawshank Redemption


Who could love a lad insane?