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[Keladis]

It does not make sense that BioWare would release an incomplete game.

Although BioWare isn't really BioWare anymore it's BioWare EA and it totally sounds like something EA would do to milk money from the players.

IMO it's pretty crappy for a company to make an incomplete game sell it to players as a complete game and then charge us for the rest of the story at a later date.

Modifié par Keladis, 21 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Stigweird85]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The IT is clearly wrong, as it would mean that Bioware deliberately shipped the game without its ending for nothing more than what essentially amounts to an 'April Fool's' joke. There's plenty of somewhat compelling evidence that it could be true, but common sense is enough to say that it clearly isn't what Bioware actually intended.

Even if the DLC is free, many people struggle to get hold of DLC. In East Europe and South America for example it can be much harder to get the DLC (I believe there are still countries that have never been given access to LotSB). Is Bioware just going to stick two fingers up to those people?

And the even bigger issue is why would Bioware do this?

Withholding the ending serves absolutely no purpose other than to any fans.

Do you really think that the writers would decide to ship the game unfinished and then refuse to do anything to pacify the fan and indeed media outrage just for the sake of saying "fooled you"?

Why do that?

Its utterly illogical and the fact that so many people are willing to believe that not only Bioware would do this, but that it would actually be a 'genius' move, is rather worrying.

What if the actual "ending" is on the disk just waiting for a date. i,.e. If Bioware wanted the reveal to be 1st April then when internal system clock reaches this day the content can be unlocked

[Abram730]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

Fnork wrote...

You meet a Prothean VI on Thessia. What does it say when it meets Shepard ? What does it say when it meets Kai Leng ?

So you claim that the Prothean VI can see into the future.. please provide some reference for that one.. I'd like to ask it about ME4 or why it didn't warn the Protheans that the reapers were coming. Having such magical abilities to see into the future and all. /s

You know that the only ones claiming Shepard is indoctrinated before the end of the game are the those that oppose Indoctrination theory. The droolers.

No future seeing necessary. First dream sequence is after Mars (I think). If that is evidence of indoctrination, then Shepard is Indoctrinated when he meets the Prothean VI. The VI doesn't say he's indoctrinated but it does for Kai Leng. Therefore Shepard isn't indoctrinated.

"If that is evidence of indoctrination, then Shepard is Indoctrinated"

Is that based on something other then voices in your head?

The game runs counter to that tin foil hat nonsense... Zero evidence for such an accusation and lots of evidence against

Modifié par Abram730, 21 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[yummysoap]

bigstig wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The IT is clearly wrong, as it would mean that Bioware deliberately shipped the game without its ending for nothing more than what essentially amounts to an 'April Fool's' joke. There's plenty of somewhat compelling evidence that it could be true, but common sense is enough to say that it clearly isn't what Bioware actually intended.

Even if the DLC is free, many people struggle to get hold of DLC. In East Europe and South America for example it can be much harder to get the DLC (I believe there are still countries that have never been given access to LotSB). Is Bioware just going to stick two fingers up to those people?

And the even bigger issue is why would Bioware do this?

Withholding the ending serves absolutely no purpose other than to any fans.

Do you really think that the writers would decide to ship the game unfinished and then refuse to do anything to pacify the fan and indeed media outrage just for the sake of saying "fooled you"?

Why do that?

Its utterly illogical and the fact that so many people are willing to believe that not only Bioware would do this, but that it would actually be a 'genius' move, is rather worrying.

What if the actual "ending" is on the disk just waiting for a date. i,.e. If Bioware wanted the reveal to be 1st April then when internal system clock reaches this day the content can be unlocked

Apart from the fact that it would most likely have been found by now it would also be one of the dumbest decisions a game company could possibly make. If it were true Bioware would lose the respect of gamers and game websites and magazines and their reputation as the biggest gaming trolls to date would stick to them for as long as the company continues exist.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bioware simply wouldn't pull such an overwhelmingly stupid move as to deliberately withold a "true" ending. They might make one now due to fan outcry, but they certainly weren't planning it.

[darkiddd]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Because Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

YEEEEEEAH SCIENCE.

Occam's razor? Let's see

After Harbinger lazers you Shepard can see shadowy shrubs and trees near the beam that were not before. The same tree and shrubs he saw in his previous dreams with the child.

Simplest conlusion? it's another dream- another indoctrination dream.

[Marta Rio II]

It's not that I don't want to believe the indoctrination theory.  I think it's a good theory that makes more logical sense than what we got.  However, I don't believe the conspiracy theory angle of it, because as far as I can tell there's no evidence that Bioware planned this ahead of time.  In fact, all the evidence suggests that the ending we got is the ending that Bioware wanted us to get.

The "Final Hours" app?  It suggests that they didn't devise some intricate plan while they were writing the ending.

Casey Hudson's statement?  It suggests that while they're listening to fan feedback now, that they don't know exactly how they're going to deal with the ending backlash.

Mark Meer's statement?  It suggests that he didn't record a super secret ending that Bioware is sitting on now.

The way the ending backlash has been handled, in general, by Bioware?  If Bioware really had an ace up their sleeve, they wouldn't have let the fan rage reach these epic proportions, as it only damages their profits and hurts their reputation.

I also don't think it's a great idea to implement the indoc theory now, after the fact.  Why?  Because some people liked the endings.  I am not one of them, but I can empathize with them.  For Bioware to just pull out the rug from under these players would be awful.   Imagine if you got your perfect ending - perhaps one where Shep flies off into the sunset with some lil blue kids - and then Bioware says, "haha no, that was all a dream.  Here's what really happened..."  You'd be furious, and you'd have every right to be.

That's why, even though I hate Starchild with a passion, I think that the best way forward for Bioware is to add options to the current endings, not just rewrite everything.

[Captain Arty]

Sparatus wrote...

Even with the Indoctrination theory it is still a bad ending.

Yup. I think it is clear the Reapers are at least trying to indictrinate him at the end. Whether Shephard was fully indoctrinated or when Shephard was indoctrinated only changes what is the real Paragon/Renegade choice. Either way, we're still stuck with a stinker ending.

[Captain Arty]

Marta Rio II wrote...
The "Final Hours" app?  It suggests that they didn't devise some intricate plan while they were writing the ending.

I think we tend to get tied up in conspiracy theories. From the statements Casey Hudson and Mac Walters made, I think they believed they had written a fitting, bittersweet ending that the fans would like.

My guess is that they still don't quite have their heads around just how much the ending is reviled, plus it's a big deal to change the endings in a meaningful way. It's costly, and they're certainly trying to figure out what the best business decision is.

My hope is that they'll see that the longevity of the franchise and the enthusiasm of their fanbase mean a lot more than the short term profits. If they do nothing, they'll lose market share from their most devout fans, make less money, and the fans will be left unhappy. Doing nothing is lose-lose. Doing something about the endings is win-win.

[bazzag]

because many people are pessimistic as opposed to optimistic.
Which isn't a bad thing.

[Abram730]

ME4 isn't a super secret ending they are just sitting on. The choices at the end of Mass Effect games are used in the next game... Where did people get this idea that it's been different?

[Abram730]

But they go out of their way to tell you it is indoctrination.

I personally thin it was innovative to indoctrinate the actual player.

Modifié par Abram730, 21 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[Abram730]

This is better then space magic.