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[Kamagawa]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the idea that bioware would purposely with hold the real ending because they either didn't have time or because they wanted to release it as DLC is quite frankly insulting and is no way to treat loyal customers.

This is how I feel even though i believe in the indoctrination theory.

I come from south africa. if I still lived there, i wouldn't be able to get DLC (or even play ME3 as a constanrt connection is required).

[Karrie788]

Because "It was all a dream" kind of endings never fail to make me facepalm.

[Fnork]

You meet a Prothean VI on Thessia. What does it say when it meets Shepard ? What does it say when it meets Kai Leng ?

[Taboo]

Time will tell. That's all that matters.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

Kamagawa wrote...

Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

The point of the ending(s) is that Shepherd gets 3 choices on how to solve the reaper problem. He can destroy, control, or combine synth with organic life. Destroy basically says "organics and sythetics can't get along, so sythetics should be destroyed". That's why EDI and the geth die with this ending. Control gives you a way to preserve all life in hope that organics and synthetics can find a way to cooperate, basically the paragon choice. The synergy ending transcends both organic and synthetic and says "let's be one" so that the fighting (although i disagree) will be stopped. 

Indoctrination "theory" ruins this idea by giving you only one "right" choice, destroy. It's like bioware is saying killing all sythetic life is morally right. All other views are wrong and get you killed. That's why it makes no sense.

[Lmaoboat]

Mass Effect 3 stages of grief:
Anger
Denial
Denial
Denial
Denial

[Intrepid Lynx]

ID hinges on in-game appeal, not out-of-game implications.

[Complistic]

Fnork wrote...

You meet a Prothean VI on Thessia. What does it say when it meets Shepard ? What does it say when it meets Kai Leng ?

There's different levels of indoctrination. If that's your proof against it you're misinformed. 

[Nelzeben]

For a very simple reason that has nothing to do with the game itself - what would be the point? Why would they prefer bad press over everyone being happy? Why wouldn't they have said anything yet?

If you only look at what is presented within the game, indoctrination probably is the ONLY explanation. Sadly, I wholeheartedly believe that they really just did write a terrible ending.

[Veryth]

Because they would not have waited this long to say "Gotcha!". The game's ratings are dropping, the discontent surrounding the game is very public and hitting large news sites, people are finding ways to return the game, and some retailers have already started discounting the game. You don't let it fall this far while doing a (failed) PR stunt.

[saren9330]

Because every evidence speaks against it.
The iOS App and the leaked Script.
The real question ist, why do some people still believe in it?
Because they want to think they are smarter than us?
Look at Cult Leader Tiax Rules All and his topics. We don't get it and need enlightenment....

[CRISIS1717]

Stop deluding yourself.

[SamFlagg]

I don't have a problem with it.  (Other than the group of people that will go on thinking this was all genius if Bioware does come out with it as the ending DLC)

I just prefer adding the "Go to hell star child" option and reworking the endings that exist to present real and actual choice.

[kathic]

Taleroth wrote...

I believe in theories that make falsifiable predictions. I give no credit to theories that establish all of reality is a lie, therefore anything supporting it is true, and anything disproving it is part of the lie.

QFT. Idoc theory occured because people could not cope with the idea that Bioware could write something bad.

[NReed106]

while I like to headcannon the Indoc theory it's simple why people wouldn't like it:

The game is incomplete then. The ending is shepard taking a breath and....nothing. You still have no closure same as the current ending

[TheOptimist]

Kamagawa wrote...

Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

Because even if you believe indoctrination theory, it means everyone gets the EXACT SAME ENDING, which means everything we were told about the way the endings would play out before hand was a lie.  And yes, it also means we didn't get an actual ending, but were always going to be charged an additional $10 for the real endings.  I can forgive a mistake, however boneheaded.  Finding out they cynically did all of this on purpose would be...vexing.

[Nykara]

Kamagawa wrote...

Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

They don't want to admit that THEY were wrong and that Bioware indoctrinated them. People are stubborn like that

[TudorWolf]

Tsantilas wrote...

I don't like the Indoctrination theory. I wont get into why I think it's stupid and doesn't make sense because there are whole threads dedicated to that. If Bioware ends up using the indoctrination theory as an excuse I'll be more pissed off about the endings than I am now.

What this guy said, among other things.

Hell, I don't even hate the current endings THAT much. I mainly hate the whole Normandy thing and the lack of an epilogue.

Plus, as far as I'm concerned, the beloved theory still has holes in it that haven't been sufficiently explained (mainly because they don't fit with established lore). But that's beside he point.




TL;DR, I dislike the endings as they are, but I don't buy into the indoc theory either

[McScroggz24]

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

The point of the ending(s) is that Shepherd gets 3 choices on how to solve the reaper problem. He can destroy, control, or combine synth with organic life. Destroy basically says "organics and sythetics can't get along, so sythetics should be destroyed". That's why EDI and the geth die with this ending. Control gives you a way to preserve all life in hope that organics and synthetics can find a way to cooperate, basically the paragon choice. The synergy ending transcends both organic and synthetic and says "let's be one" so that the fighting (although i disagree) will be stopped. 

Indoctrination "theory" ruins this idea by giving you only one "right" choice, destroy. It's like bioware is saying killing all sythetic life is morally right. All other views are wrong and get you killed. That's why it makes no sense.

Not exactly, it's saying that everything from point A (Likely Harbinger's beam) to point B (The ending, maybe the epilogue or maybe not) never actually happened. They could go in an entirely new route with 3 or 56 different options.

[RLesueur]

Kamagawa wrote...

Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

Because it's just people desperately reaching for some kind of sense in a bad ending.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Indoctrination becomes a battle cry to do nothing. It's an assumption that everything is going to work out on it's own. Your not getting a better ending unless you fight for it. If you want to hope this is all a PR stunt that's fine, but if your wrong and you did nothing then the series is ruined and you lose your chance to fight for it.

[fuzzyroo]

 I don't like the indoctronation theory because people seem to be overlooking one of the biggest issues.  You have to hang out with X ammount of reaper tech.  They mention this all the time.  Saron lived in Soverign.  Illusive man was using refineries to make husks (not to mention his own reaper implants).  Shepard...didn't really spend much time hugging reaper.  So him/her being indoctrinated doesn't really fly with me... Unless there was a big reaper obilisk in the middle of the Normandy that he/she sacrificed goats too on occasion...

[Grasich]

I'll be happy as long as we get new endings where our choices matter, the plot holes are minimal at worst, and there is a wide spectrum of possible moods, from depressing to "happy". Whether that's indoc theory or something else, as long as it fulfills those requirements I'm happy.

[Kamagawa]

Karrie788 wrote...

Because "It was all a dream" kind of endings never fail to make me facepalm.

It isn't a dream. shep is on the battle field. the point that the 'dream' begins is when harby starts firin he's lazah

[OrumLeader]

Complistic wrote...

Fnork wrote...

You meet a Prothean VI on Thessia. What does it say when it meets Shepard ? What does it say when it meets Kai Leng ?

There's different levels of indoctrination. If that's your proof against it you're misinformed. 

This is a serious question because i missed something because it thought the Prothean VI said shep wasn't indocrinated.  Where is the explanation in game or in DLC that the Prothen VI can't detect low levels of indoctrination?