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[Paragon Auducan]

I made a quick observation on my findings of 1M1 google search, I never said it's definate I was just pointing something out that is strangely coincidental.

[Jaze55]

RLesueur wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

.... I........... I really don't know what to say. 

I know...Bioware has broken this poor persons mind with their terrible ending.

Sad really. Bioware you should be ashamed. 

[Paragon Auducan]

Also why do people assume Indoctrination Theory believers = GOOD ENDING DERP

I HATE the ending, if it is Indoctrination then we were sold an incomplete game if it is to be taken at face value they screwed up the entire franchise.

[Sett101]

MassEffected555 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



ME? NO dude I am one of the biggest and loudest poeple AGAINST the insane Indoc Theory. It is insanity plain and simple

The little scene at the end of they left was nothing more then a bonus for a high EMS and working hard. Nothing more, nothing less. It's pretty ****ing obvious too. 

Gah, I was afraid that would happen. No, not you Sorry for quoting you in this, I meant to support you!

It's cool I kinda figured that, Lol i just used it as an excuse to say how insane the theory is again.

Oh no you can catch indoc crazy. I need to get my anti indoc shot now.  

[Keithhy]

Because, from a financial sense, I don't think that Bioware has the massive cojones required to try and pull something like that, leaving the game without a real ending.

When you've worked on something for years, it's easy to begin to see bad ideas as 'artistic' or 'original' - George Lucas - and with no one to stop you, you often go through with these ideas. If they do patch the ending, indoctrination will probably be the answer, but that's not to say that it was what Bioware had intended in the first place.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why do people assume Indoctrination Theory believers = GOOD ENDING DERP

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I don't think anyone really implied you were saying that. It wasn't even part of the discussion whether or not it makes the ending "good". I was saying it invalidates other people's endings. But i'm REALLY beating a dead horse at this point.

[GBGriffin]

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also why do people assume Indoctrination Theory believers = GOOD ENDING DERP

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I don't think anyone really implied you were saying that. It wasn't even part of the discussion whether or not it makes the ending "good". I was saying it invalidates other people's endings. But i'm REALLY beating a dead horse at this point.

To be fair, without the introduction of anything new from BioWare...that's all people on either side can do at this point

[fayt002]

If the IDT was correct don't you think they would be guiding us on the boards that there is something up. A hint a tweet a easter egg to keep us guessing, not just a stonewall or just a post saying we are listening? If this where just a view of art and had nothing to do with money i would say use our imagination. But this is a company where 10s of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars are at stack. If you were give a choice of here is a 1000 dollars and you will be pissed or heres 10 and you can be really happy, what would you pick.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Complistic wrote...

Because they got fooled and picked either synthesis or control. If they then admitted that the indoctrination theory was true, they'd be admitting they got tricked.

And no one willingly makes a fool of themselves.

That's what I'm thinking. Some people will prefer to cross their own lines over losing a debate.

[RLesueur]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Complistic wrote...

Because they got fooled and picked either synthesis or control. If they then admitted that the indoctrination theory was true, they'd be admitting they got tricked.

And no one willingly makes a fool of themselves.

That's what I'm thinking. Some people will prefer to cross their own lines over losing a debate.

I picked destroy. I still think indoctrination is one of the craziest theories I have heard since the people who don't believe in the moon landing.

[Qutayba]

I would love indoctrination theory to be true, but if it's true than BioWare has been toying with fans in an inexcusable manner. Saves the story, destroys trust in the devs.

[thehomeworld]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the idea that bioware would purposely with hold the real ending because they either didn't have time or because they wanted to release it as DLC is quite frankly insulting and is no way to treat loyal customers.

This, but also it's the oddest move ever it's like buying a movie the director gives you an ok ending then says hey buy this dvd here to get a really awesome ending I was holding back on! That makes no sense if they wanted shep to be indoctrinated or dreamed it while being unconscious then they should've immediately done that after he burns up if he burns up and gave into the reapers then Harbi should show saying how great it felt to tick shep into giving into their way while we show the world, Anderson, our crewmates being tossed onto husk spikes in a rubble London world.

Or if it was a dream and shep wakes up only because he destroyed the star child's choice then he should wake up as both of his final push squadmates are pulling him onto a handmade stretcher saying how he'll be fine as the beacon to the citadel is turned off and the mission for Earth declared a failure and evac orders given. We know Earth is lost, the fleet inspace is dying and or retreating at the same time, and shep didn't make it do anything but walk the galaxies strongest offensive into a reaper made trap. The end.

Indoctrination ending to me seems so fight club I really don't like it.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 20 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[SimonM72]

Why don't some people want to believe shep is indoctrinated?

Its because they are reverse-indocrinated.

*BWOOOOONG*

[lex0r11]

why do i get the feeling that alot of people are talking past each other?

there is probably more assumption going on about peoples intentions and ideas than the actual 'for and against' on the theory stuff.

[Kersca]

I'd like to believe it, just because the ending was so terrible. But some of the evidence is beyond flimsy, a huge reach, or outright inaccurate.

[Tezzajh]

its hinted in the game and by the producers that shepards story isnt over and If Shepherd comes back for a new trilogy I want the last decsion i made to be present in the game.synthesis-everyone has green eyes, contol- reaper war assets, destruction-no enemy AI.

I would much rather something like this, a forward storyline that would evolve the mass effect universe, not a backward desperate attempt to get your own way.

[Paragon Auducan]

,Prince of Persia, Fallout 3 and more recently FFXIII-2 have done it, with EA at the helm are we really surprised they are capitalising on this?

Modifié par Paragon Auducan, 21 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[2484Stryker]

I don't have a problem with the indoctrination theory itself, but assuming that it's what Bioware intended, then wouldn't that mean that there's a true ending that they haven't yet released? Or do you mean to suggest that what we got is all there is to it? That we spent three games watching Shepard overcoming the impossible only to fall to indoctrination at the very end?

[Holding5Aces]

It seemed to me that there were hints of indoctrination tossed out there, but the ending felt so chopped up I figured it was edited out at the last minute.

When I noticed the black clouds swirling around TIM, it took me back to the dream sequences and was ready for an indoctrination attempt at the end by Harbinger. Sadly, it never came.

[TheGreenAlloy]

RLesueur wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Complistic wrote...

Because they got fooled and picked either synthesis or control. If they then admitted that the indoctrination theory was true, they'd be admitting they got tricked.

And no one willingly makes a fool of themselves.

That's what I'm thinking. Some people will prefer to cross their own lines over losing a debate.

I picked destroy. I still think indoctrination is one of the craziest theories I have heard since the people who don't believe in the moon landing.

Shall we go over plotholes in AI God ending and the Indoctrination Theory, then?

[RLesueur]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Shall we go over plotholes in AI God ending and the Indoctrination Theory, then?

We could, but this forum is full of threads discussing all the plotholes so it would be a bit redundant.

[DESTRAUDO]

Indoc theory is a desperate attempt by a percentage of the community to rationalise/come to terms with an ending they would not accept. The logic used by them could be used to suggest that everything that happened since you were knocked out beside the reaper artefact in the arrival DLC was an indoctrination fantasy. He wakes up under no armed guard when they could have murdered him easily in his sleep. He them kills millions of batarians and faces no punishment for it. He then goes on an adventure to save the galaxy using a machine whose purpose is unknown but in whom all faith is placed. On this journey, in most cases by chance he runs into and saves everyone he knew of any importance, and overcomes totally impossible odds to see the greatest challenges of his time overcome by his hands and the hands of those he knows best. He then defeats his enemies in a burst of glory or heroic self sacrifice. Sounds like an indoctrination fantasy that plays to shepards desires from start to finish to me. XD

You could go further and say everything that happened since shepard touched the protean artefact in ME1 is all a fantasy. A star trek TNG 'inner light' style sequence in which the device examines a human mind to gain an understanding of this species.

Or maybe shepard is a brain in a jar, recovered by the collectors at the beginning of ME2 and allowed to run through various tactical scenarios to make the domination of this cycle significantly easier. Afterall why would the collectors/reapers have such an interest in shepard, blow up the normandy but then not bother recovering the remains themselves.

See that is the problem with indoc theory. If you lower the bar of evidence to where indoc is valid, you can suggest pretty much anything is true.

[ArkkAngel007]

Kamagawa wrote...

Is it because we are still getting an incomplete game?
or because they don't think bioware has 2 brain cells to rub together?
Perhaps it is because they don't like this kind of ending (like thinking fight club was epic except for the end)?

One rule.  You had one rule to follow.  And you're breaking it!

In all seriousness, it's for various reasonings, some including:

1. It isn't a better alternative than taking the ending at face-value

2. IT explains the ending, but makes the ending more inconclusive on its own

3. People have their own opinions about the endings and are against other views

4. People believe the IT is being stated as fact

5. It's easier to chalk it up to memes like space magic and bad writing 

6. The ending itself, sans explanations, is tangible, unlike the theory which isn't

And etc.  

[Ticondurus]

Because the Indoc theory is a fan-made band-aid fix to the craptastic ending.

[TheGreenAlloy]

RLesueur wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Shall we go over plotholes in AI God ending and the Indoctrination Theory, then?

We could, but this forum is full of threads discussing all the plotholes so it would be a bit redundant.

Yes, you are right. I'll leave this one here, anyway, it's a good read; https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true