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[Zundar]

Tali, Garrus and Marauder Shields

[Mcfly616]

No price is too great when it comes to the fate of all life in existence.


And that basically goes along with what Javik was saying. He's not saying that 'honor doesn't matter' per se. He's saying that in the end it doesn't make any difference. When all that matters is survival, honor is irrelevant if you're dead.

[Kenshen]

I liked Anderson in a father figure kind of way.  If I know I am heading into battle then I would want Garrus on one side and Wrex/Grunt on the other.  The one character that has always stood out above the rest came from a rather quick side quest in ME1 and that was Talitha.  Listening to her story for the first time ripped me up inside.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It doesn't matter.

 

No amount of abuse, trauma, or loss ever justifies evil. A monster with a tragic past is still a monster, and is to be treated as such. Although calling Javik a 'monster' gives him far too much credit. He's really far too cowardly for that.

 

Why do you say that Javik is a monster? Is it his four eyes?

[DeinonSlayer]

Why do you say that Javik is a monster? Is it his four eyes?

If I am Blu, I am Just. If I am Red, I am Unjust. Javik is Red. Red is Bad. Javik is Bad. There is only the Blu.



(if David wants to see it everywhere, might as well oblige him.)

[Bob from Accounting]

I didn't. I said he was far too cowardly for that.

 

But his propensity towards, as I said, delighting in the genocide of the krogan and geth, advising violence as the solution to all problems, advocating murder at the drop of at hat when taken on missions certainly makes him a person to kept or line or put down.

[DeinonSlayer]

You keep saying he advocates murder at the drop of a hat. Where did this happen? The only scene that comes to mind where it might happen is Falere, but I don't recall any squadmates speaking at all in the scene where you can actually shoot her.

His stated strategy was that races which refused to assist against the Reapers would be left to face them alone. The entire crew (sans EDI) has a positive outlook after the destruction of the Geth, and not without reason. Javik is actually subdued compared to, say, Garrus, simply saying that siding with the Geth would have been "a grave mistake." He doesn't "delight" in the non-cure of the Genophage; he recommends denying other races "their selfish requests" unrelated to fighting the Reapers (Wrex/Wreav pretty much hold the war effort hostage to get what they want). He's a single-minded, hard-core realist (see his Embassy conversation, without the paragon interrupt) speaking from the perspective of someone who watched the last of his species die around him. His well of platitudes is pretty much tapped out.

Can you grasp that someone like this, perhaps, wouldn't want to start to care about other people again only to watch them all die? Again? He doesn't want to care, but if you pay attention, he starts to anyway.

[Zazzerka]

In my cycle, people who skip the line at the supermarket would be torn limb from limb by the hungriest patrons. The one to get the head would take their groceries home for free.

 

Cue the feigned shock from the rest of the squad.

 

Javik, you're all talk.

[Bob from Accounting]

Forgive me, but are we talking about a warrior or a teenage girl on Facebook? Because I know which one I'd expect to hear 'I don't want to care about people because I might get hurt!' from. 

 

If Javik is weak and helpless from whatever he's suffered, he's perfectly welcome to curl into a ball and let the war work itself out. I bear him no ill no whatsoever for doing such a thing. We can't all be strong.

 

However, taking actions while hiding away any from any responsibility because he's capable enough for the combat or to make the choices but too weak to face to consequences of them is unacceptable. If he's too weak to to take the responsibility he shouldn't be taking it.

 

Nobody's forcing Javik into any position of responsibility. The fault rests on him.

[DeinonSlayer]

It's not a "teenage girl" thing, it's a defense mechanism against psychiatric breakdown.

I see Javik's attitude towards the crew as being along the lines of how hardened vets in WWII who fought from D-Day all the way to the Battle of the Bulge, having lost friends all along the way, saw the fresh-faced replacements dropped into their units. Lacking experience, these replacements would all-too-frequently die. The vets didn't want to get to know them, only to have to deal with that, so replacements were somewhat ostracized. Those who survived long enough gradually gained more respect, even if they were never viewed in entirely the same way as the men who were together since boot viewed each other.

Same deal here. Javik fought all the way through his Reaper war. Now he's lost everyone, and his "unit" consists of "replacements" he's never met and has little reason to respect. He has every reason to see a Shepard who spouts platitudes about honor and protecting the helpless as naive (his people were far from helpless, but ultimately couldn't even save themselves - listening to Shepard pontificate, to Javik, is right down there with a replacement spouting to a vet about "Where's the enemy? I want to see some action!"). Fighting alongside these "replacements," he gradually grows to respect them, though I have no doubt he'd still view his former comrades in higher regard.

[Bob from Accounting]

He's perfectly welcome to think such things however much he likes. It's only unacceptable for him to act on them.

[DeinonSlayer]

He's perfectly welcome to think such things however much he likes. It's only unacceptable for him to act on them.

And when does he act on them, exactly? He gives Shepard suggestions, offers perspective Shepard lacks, but never challenges his authority.

[Bob from Accounting]

That's right. Which is the only reason it's acceptable for Shepard to have him on the ship instead of having him put down.

[wolfhowwl]

"Put down?"

 

Wow.

[KaiserShep]

Putting him down seems drastic. Just drive to a really remote part of Ilos and leave him there.

 

"Where are we going Commanda?"

"Someplace nice."

 

*opens Mako hatch*

"Here you go Javik. Let's go for a run!"

"In my cycle, we ran all the time!" *runs out*

 

*Shepard closes hatch, drives off*

"Commanda? Commanda! Commandaaaawoooooooooooooooooo!"
 

[DeinonSlayer]

Putting him down seems drastic. Just drive to a really remote part of Ilos and leave him there.

"Where are we going Commanda?"
"Someplace nice."

*opens Mako hatch*
"Here you go Javik. Let's go for a run!"
"In my cycle, we ran all the time!" *runs out*

*Shepard closes hatch, drives off*
"Commanda? Commanda! Commandaaaawoooooooooooooooooo!"

*Shepard returns to the Citadel*

Javik: "Commanda."
Shepard: "Wait- wha, what?! How did you get here first?"

Shepard: *glances at the Conduit immediately behind him*
Shepard: *exasperated sigh*
Javik: *Prollface*



You could always just send him to the Crucible project. We're scouring the galaxy for the Prothean equivalent of potsherds, even that they might serve as translation aids. Here we have someone who is not only fluent in Prothean, but capable of sharing the Cipher with the researchers there (if his memory transfer to Shepard is any indication - an Asari melding might also substitute).

[geth47]

Edi. As for non squad-mates, the illusive man.

[KaiserShep]

*Shepard returns to the Citadel*

Javik: "Commanda."
Shepard: "Wait- wha, what?! How did you get here first?"

Shepard: *glances at the Conduit immediately behind him*
Shepard: *exasperated sigh*
Javik: *Prollface*



You could always just send him to the Crucible project. We're scouring the galaxy for the Prothean equivalent of potsherds, even that they might serve as translation aids. Here we have someone who is not only fluent in Prothean, but capable of sharing the Cipher with the researchers there (if his memory transfer to Shepard is any indication - an Asari melding might also substitute).

 

Lol

 

Man, I really wish there was a facility we could visit so we could actually see the thing being built, and maybe interact with or at least see the various assets we gathered to help build it. Even if the rest of the game and its ending remained unchanged, seeing some of the people you gathered at work would have been pretty nice.

[slaythatdragon]

Miranda and Garrus tied for me.

Thane a close second.

[Daemul]

Wrong thread

[Lady Sif]

ME1: Ash and Kaidan
ME2: Miranda and Jack
ME3: Javik and Kaidan

Favorite character Miranda followed closely by Javik

[miltos33]

ME1: Kaidan and Liara

ME2: Jack and Miranda

ME3: Kaidan and Liara

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Saren. That should be obvious from my username and avatar picture. 

[CronoDragoon]

ME1: Wrex.

ME2: Tali and Garrus.

ME3: Tali and Garrus.

 

Tali and Garrus were just not written all that well in ME1.