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[Oilking72]

Asepsis wrote...

Erm...I don't think this matters at all, because all anyone has to do is google the user reviews of ME3 to see the ratings that actually matter. Just because a magazine, or some "official" critic gives the game a great review, it doesn't matter.

I look at the user reviews, NOT the official ones. User reviews are always more accurate from movies, restaurants to GAMES especially. Also, read the comments, people who gave the games scores in the 8-9 range still commented that the ending was lacking horribly, or "does not matter".

Sad to see such a great game with so many awesome people involved fall so hard.

User reviews are the ratings that actually matter?  Are you kidding?  Are you talking about all the losers throwing around 0's and 1's and crap like that?  Please.  Most users reviews are beyond worthless.

[jb1983]

 Except that he's wrong. 

I've pointed out, in somewhat detailed analysis, how the controversy has most likely hurt EA already financially (via their stock): social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10244770/1

[Tangster]

Avl521 wrote...

1. This guy is a supposed "analyst" he makes outrageous claims that almost never turn out to be true, so why should I or anyone else believe whatever crap he comes up with?

2. "Objective reviews"? Are you f*cking kidding me? Reviews ARE NEVER objective. They are the opinion of a writer about a game. Some writers give a game 7.5, others give it a 9 some reviews about the same game vary even more, why? Because reviews are based on opinions, not facts and are therefore subjective. Not to mention, some companies are just biased (IGN) which makes their reviews as far from objective as can be. Just goes to show how much he knows.

3. He talks about the "business side of games"???? Wow... Jus wow.
Apparently he doesn't know sh*t about businesses either. We might be a minority, but we're far from a small one. We're just the hardcore gamers and fans that actually are trying to accomplish something, but I can guarantee because I've seen it, there are MANY more gamers that were completely dumbfounded and baffled by how big of a disappointment the ending was... They just don't feel like changing it. However it is we the hardcore gamers and fans that have the greater say on a game because we're more vocal about it and thus by word of mouth more people get interested in what we promote. You don't want your most loyal customers going against you... Trust me on that.

4. It won't affect EA???
I'd like to point out there's about 50.000 gamers angry about what happened. Some of us won't buy EA/BioWare games again and we certainly won't buy their DLC. I'd also like to point out some gamers are looking for refunds, some are cancelling their SWTOR accounts, some are bombing the consumer Reviews in sites like Metacritic. The overall critic review may be high, but the consumer reviews are as low as can be. The price of the game has already been lowered in many outlets only 2 weeks after release, and some gamers even returned their copies meaning there's a possibility people who haven't bought the game yet buy the used version which means money not going to EA/BioWare. It's also safe to assume we are the ones that buy Collector's editions from them... For a company that wins billions, we may not be much, but they will notice it.

Thanks for saving me the trouble. +1

[ArmyKnifeX]

Zenoctilles wrote...

I'm surprised to see the vitriol directed at Mr. Pachter here. I'm a fan of his show on Game Trailers, and while he doesn't get everything right, maybe we should be a bit more tolerant of the opinions of others.

And no, he's not paid by EA. He's a former tax lawyer turned equities analyst, and he focuses on the media industry. Unlike some other equity analysts, he happens to buy the products of the companies that he analyzes.

And you know what? He's right. Most people don't like the ending, but they are not spending hours of their lives trying to convince BioWare to change it.

They're not. But a lot of people are asking for their money back who aren't posting on these forums. They're getting hit in the sales market as well as the fanbase.

Pissing off your consume base is never, ever a good marketing move unless you happen to have a monopoly on the market.

Hell, even though Coca-Cola DOES have almost a monopoly on the soda market they STILL got rid of New Coke.

[MaskofSkin]

So thousands of people online complaining about the ending versus a handful of game reviewers, many of whom are only concerned with their next exclusive or ad money and we're the minority?

The only way to know for sure would be to include a questionnaire with each game.

Obviously early sales numbers are not indicative of people who like the ending.

[Zardoc]

That guy again? Ugh...

[Dragonfable of Dain]

The game itself has high ratings because it is very entertaining and for the most part has a decent story.... however it didn't deserve this ending.

[chkchkchk]

Forbes seems sympathetic to us, and I'm pretty sure they've more business street cred.

[Druss99]

MaskofSkin wrote...

So thousands of people online complaining about the ending versus a handful of game reviewers, many of whom are only concerned with their next exclusive or ad money and we're the minority?

The only way to know for sure would be to include a questionnaire with each game.

Obviously early sales numbers are not indicative of people who like the ending.

There is the problem, until there's millions speaking up saying they didn't like it we will always be a minority. He isn't lying, he didn't say it was a small minority, he just said a vocal minority which as of right now is factually correct.

There may be millions supporting the movement, but until we find a way to actually prove that and gather them in one place instead of spread thin throughout the web then they can say minority all they want and we have no way to prove them wrong.

Modifié par Druss99, 21 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[DrDark101]

I don't listen to pundits they make me itch.

In anycase. Numbers smumbers even if we are a minority (which there is no proof of that) there are more then enough of us that are upset by the ending that it still represents a big problem for EA/Bioware, and technically speaking 49% is a minority, but can you imagine the horror on a corperate execs face if 49% of there customers hated something they just produced?

Polls from various independant sites are a good way to gauge the climate and when they all... ALL have high 80 to low 90 dissapproval ratings for the games ending you know you have a problem.

[SNascimento]

This guy know a lot.

[JELLAQTP]

EA sending messages to stockholders? So soon?

[nomoredruggs]

Soaringeagle78 wrote...

"I am the very model of an internet contrarion"

[Dark_Caduceus]

Who cares? I'm not going to delve into whether or not I support the "Retake ME3" movement because it doesn;t matter. An argument falls or rises on its own merits, whether it's a million, or whether it's a dozen people supporting it. If you feel strongly about this issue(or any issue in general) then don't even give people like this a second of your time. Truth isn't a minority/majority decision.

[QuarianHIV]

Who's his mother? Lets track her down and shove him back inside her.

[thewarden500]

Whoever the hell he is, I'm sure Forbes trumps this guy. Thanks for helping us hold the line, Forbes.

http://www.forbes.co...-good-business/
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

(post where I got the links): http://social.biowar...5/index/9851623

[ArmyKnifeX]

QuarianHIV wrote...

Who's his mother? Lets track her down and shove him back inside her.

Dude, way uncalled-for. Please read my earlier posts about how every post reflects all of us.

[SilencedScream]

thewarden500 wrote...

Whoever the hell he is, I'm sure Forbes trumps this guy. Thanks for helping us hold the line, Forbes.

Truth.

[Greed1914]

This is Michael Pachter, the man who gets paid to state the obvious.  His big contribution in January was that he thought game sales for the month would be low.  Nice job, Mike.  A month where very little came out and the games that did come out were released on the last day of the month is going to have low sales?  Wow. 

I don't exactly find what he says compelling.

Modifié par Greed1914, 21 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[Ridwan]

Sean Malstrom>Michael Pachter.

[teknoarcanist]

That's weird. Michael Pachter is usually a little more prescient than that...

Oh well.

Crank up the heat, guys.

[pavi132]

lol he called the reviews "objective".

[dreaming_raithe]

Soaringeagle78 wrote...

"I am the very model of an internet contrarion"

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite post on the Citadel.

[blehblah123]

First off, the author needs to state if he or his firm holds a position in EA. As it stands now, I would call the credibility of his article into question. Secondly, how can he state that the reviews are "objective" ... they are subjective by nature. Lastly, if he is stating only a minority of the mass effect's consumers dislike the ending ... he needs to state some numbers. The evidence (polls on this site and on ign) both point the opposite direction (sampling bias or not). Unless he has some hard data to back this up..he's basically talking out of his ass.

[idunhavaname]

Did these people fail middle school math class or something?