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[Ultra Prism]

Well I never heard of him, so its dont care just like circuit logic

[Headshotmaster]

Even if we are, so what? We're so vocal, that we'll end up shutting down a lot of future sales, just through word of mouth. But now we have other MSM outlets on our side, and famous figures as well(relevant to out...dilemma).

While I doubt it's the minority that dislike the ending, I have no doubt that we'll have an impact.

[Hashbeth]

This is, at best, an attempt to annoy/upset those disappointed in the game.
Don't let it bug you, and counter their arguments civilly.
Hold The Line

[Helishorn]

Avl521 wrote...

3. He talks about the "business side of games"???? Wow... Jus wow.
Apparently he doesn't know sh*t about businesses either. We might be a minority, but we're far from a small one.

4. It won't affect EA???
I'd like to point out there's about 50.000 gamers angry about what happened. Some of us won't buy EA/BioWare games again and we certainly won't buy their DLC.

'Vocal minority'

unfortunately the statement is quite true when you look at the math. First off realize that internet polls are not statistically reliable in any way. They are called convenience sampling and here is a link if you care to learn more (http://www.aapor.org/Bad_Samples1.htm)

Now I have seen the number 50,000 being tossed around as the number of fans angry at the ending. Let's assume the number is true and that where ever the number came from each person polled was unique. We also know that as of the 3/15 there were approximately 3.5 million copies of the game sold worldwide.

So - 50,000/3.5 million is 0.014. This means that only 1.4% of the fans are vocally upset about the ending. To put in another way; Average cost of the game is $60, approximate money made off the game is 210 million, money loss if the 1.4% of the fans returned their game is 3 million. When you then look at all the games both companies are selling it is easy to see that a mere loss of 3 million dollars is chump change compared to the total amount of money coming into the business. Realistically if you all returned your games and never bought another Bioware game again it I really doubt that either Bioware or Ea games would notice. Same goes if you were each able to convince 20 unique people, which amounts only to 1 million people, to never buy a Bioware game again.

I'm not pointing this out to discourage you from you cause and yes I realize that there are other motivators that are at play that may make a company listen to 1.4% of the fans. My point is you really cannot get all bent out of shape when someone calls your movement the vocal minority when you are essentially the 1%. Secondly if Bioware does add DLC to expand the ending inorder to give it more closure such a move will not be because of any real financial harm this movement has generated to date or even any real financial harm that it might generate in the future. It will be because the company wants to do right by their customers, even if they are the vocal minority.

Modifié par Helishorn, 21 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[burb2500]

Helishorn wrote...

'Vocal minority'

Now I have seen the number 50,000 being tossed around as the number of fans angry at the ending. Let's assume the number is true and that where ever the number came from each person polled was unique. We also know that as of the 3/15 there were approximately 3.5 million copies of the game sold worldwide.

This is not entirely correct. The game shipped 3.5 million copies to stores which is different from 3.5 million sold. I've heard 900,00+ were sold on day 1. Although 50,000 is still a statistically small number, those 50,000 are important.

As internet commentator Totalbiscuit put it in a recent podcast, these are the people that will buy all of your merchandise (shirts, comics, movies, toys) and will pre-order your game. They are also your best sales people as their enthusiasm for a game will cause them to tell friends, family, and message boards all about it. This word of mouth advertising is the best kind. If this segement of the loyal fanbase becomes dissatisfied with a company, and with its product, the company will certainly feel it in the pocketbook (if not immediately, then most certainly in the next game they release).

[blehblah123]

I already commented on the article...but let's put it this way..you can't use the poll data to state that the people upset with the ending are the majority. However, what is relevant is that it is strong evidence that they are also not the minority of people who have finished the game. It's certainly more usable than 50,000 dissatisfied / 3.5 million units shipped (which is gorilla math btw and demonstrates zero understanding of statistics).

Thus, whenever someone says that of people who finished the game .. a minority hate it .. you can call BS.. you can just say there's no data to support they're the minority but some data that suggests they are the majority. If they want to compare with units sold vs discontent...you can say your complaint is with the end game .. and they really need to be sampling from players who have finished the game.

[sorrowandsadness]

With his amazing knowledge, he's probably earning billions from lotteries.

Modifié par sorrowandsadness, 21 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[DarxydeBluus]

People still listen to Michael Pachter?

[xiaoassassin]

Still larger than the amount of people praising it. Guffaw. If some people actually liked the ending, why don't we see a partisan split in the fans?

Game reviewers + some industry apologists = basically zero.

[Fireblader70]

Michael Pachter... we meet again.

His logic is questionable - over 40 reviews rate the game highly, so the people moaning about the ending are apparently a minority. He does not seem to realise that many that hate the ending also love the game as a whole.

But since this guy seems to think he's an oracle, I won't bother debunking his argument any further. It's honestly not worth it...

[LoboFH]

Patcher likely got a juicy check from EA to tell this...he always has been a very funny (and well payed) troll to keep things spiced in the videogames showbusiness, no more no less.

[Sylvianus]

He doesn't work for Bioware and it isn't his business or reputation at stake. It is easy to be so extreme for him, he isn't concerned by possible consequences. I don't care myself if we don't have something to fix this disaster. But I can easily feel that Bioware will be hurt if they listen to this guy. I might be wrong as well.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 mars 2012 - 05:51 .