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[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...


-HAHAHHA.... christ this is funny. I believe you were unhappy with people generalizing and using ad hominems earlier? 

Please do me a favor and find me a quote where I stated that "anyone who has liked it is an idiot and should not be taken seriously". Please do? Because you wouldnt be misrepresenting me and putting words in my mouth now would you? And in case you cannot, Ill take that apology now. Hmmn...kay? 

I have faced it. I just dont agree with it. Nor do I believe everything I read. As for the magazine reviews? Well... they stand on their own accord. I dont think it gives them any credibility but there you go.

Here,I apologize,maybe I got you wrong. But to me it seems you find it impossible that anyone could actually love this game,even reviewers. When you don't agree with them,it's easy to just yell "bribery!"

How about this - they actually mean what they wrote. Maybe not all of them,but some?

@Vlad113

I'm saying that not everbody thinks this game will be a disaster. What do my unregistered games have to do with it?

[chris fenton]

No. The game itself was a great. (if a little over-simplified.)

It's just the endings and the day one DLC that generate way too much damn controversy. (and rightly so.)

[Rudy Lis]

WaterWar wrote...

I don't think it is fair to write off ME3 yet. If Bioware release an update/DLC that changes the ending it would be the first time in history and that would give them positive publicity.

 
Not sure if Trials of Luremaster are qualified for "better ending" DLC, but AFAIR, that was first DLC "by demand of angry gamers" before "DLC" term being coined.

WaterWar wrote...

People sometimes forget that the game has only been out for 3 three weeks. Give them time to react and make a proper fix. If they released something rushed they would get destroyed with complaints about them showing lack of respect to us fans etc.

Two weeks. Yet, IMHO, I think two weeks are more than enough to fix "I stuck in cockpit's floor. again. for third time. this hour" bug and at least try to fix or at least explain certain bugs or "features" of their "cover"™ system, for example, how comes my Shepard's shield being peeled away while he is behind thick cover, while his shots from Black Widow with piercing mod and AP ammo modded onto piercing can't hit thin wall about 6 inch thick.
That's just one of examples.

WaterWar wrote...

As the things are at the moment ME3 is still a brilliant game. It is only the last 30 minutes that don't live up to the rest of the game. I still believe that ME3 can/will be the best game this year. I have no doubt if they release a new/edited ending. That would make the ME-series the best to be made, ever.

Glad you liked it. I'll even a bit envy here. No mocking, really.
I think even without questionable ending ME3 barely hits 6/10.

[bazzag]

It will only flop if the ending isnt sorted. That is why WE MUST NOT WAVER. WE MUST NOT LET UP. NOT ONE STEP BACK. Together we can make sure its best damn trilogy in the history of mankind.

"We fight or we die. Thats the plan"
commander shepard, the fall of vancouver

[Ghost Warrior]

bazzag wrote...

 Together we can make sure its best damn trilogy in the history of mankind.

It is. You made it!


Now stop.  End of the line.

[Renessa]

It is very quickly becoming PR disaster of the year....

[Icinix]

BioWare could get the biggest disappointment of the year gong twice in a row.

Yowsers!

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Here,I apologize,maybe I got you wrong. But to me it seems you find it impossible that anyone could actually love this game,even reviewers. When you don't agree with them,it's easy to just yell "bribery!"

How about this - they actually mean what they wrote. Maybe not all of them,but some?

-Apology accepted.

I find it very hard to believe yes, but then I realize that people have different tastes and different wishes. I place high premium on story, lore and logic. I dont really care too much for pew pew. So for some I am sure the reviews will be accurate. For me and people like me however, they wont be. So why should we follow them or listen to them? 

I havent yelled bribery and please, Id ask you to cease with baseless accusations in its different forms. I undestand the business however. EA is a massive advertizer in several magazines. ME3 was pushed harder than any previous Bioware title. Hell, they had billboards here in Denmark. Thats usually reserved for bankable triple A titles such as Fallout and skyrim. Ignoring that several magazines depend just as much on advertizing revenue as much as the fans is a bit of a stretch for me. Its a balance for them. They cant alienate their customer base nor their advertizers. No fans, no need to advertize. No advertizing no resources for glossy paper and nice photos.

Bribed? No. But walking a thin line? Definately.

[Lee T]

I'm guessing it will be a commercial success.

The raving professional review will earn it it's awards too.

I think it will however remain as an awfully mismanaged PR campaign. The game itself doesn't deserve the fallout it gets right now, if EA/Bioware PR department had taken it in stride they could have tempered the movement, maybe earn some gaming brownie points along the way.

[bazzag]

Lee T wrote...

I'm guessing it will be a commercial success.

The raving professional review will earn it it's awards too.

But is it worth it? If they don't sort it, they may get the acclaim, but they will be seriously tarnished. We all now what the fans on bsn are like. If they say that they will sell all their bioware games, and boycott all future bioware dlc, games and other products, they'll bloody do it. Thats not good for business

[Ghost Warrior]

@Farbautisonn
Point missed. Of course you don't have to listen to every review out there,I'd call you a sheep if you did so. I'm just saying some of them may actually believe in what they write. That's all I meant.

The bribery part was more directed at Rudy Lis,Vlad113 and some others.

Of course I agree with you that some of the magazines might have other motivations. Some of them. That's business and I agree with you on that. But they can still honestly like this game.
There used to be a magazine in my country with the best reviews,I really wish it was still here. I wonder what they would say about ME3.

P.S. Mass Effect 3 has great story.

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
P.S. Mass Effect 3 has great story.

-Thats your opinion comming from a FPS, action and COD background. I can see why you might feel so.

My background is one of 25 years plus playing both computer and tabletop Rpgs. My opinion differs from yours.

[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
P.S. Mass Effect 3 has great story.

-Thats your opinion comming from a FPS, action and COD background. I can see why you might feel so.

My background is one of 25 years plus playing both computer and tabletop Rpgs. My opinion differs from yours.

True enough. Plus ME1&ME2,Fallout and hundreds of movies. But you're right. We have different tastes.

[HowlingSiren]

I went to the main retail store in my city for lunch today (Switzerland). ME3 is not in any of the top 10 games, despite being released 12 days ago. Not in the XBox, PS3 or PC charts. The shelves with ME3 were fully stocked and the price had already been reduced by around 10$. It actually made me quite sad to see, considering the inferior games that were present in the top 10.

Obviously word-of-mouth is a powerful thing, I just wish BioWare would act now and fix the ending -before even more damage is done.

[carnage4u]

For me, story is king.. The action in ME3 is great, and the gamesplay is good as well (only complaints is taking cover sometimes is annoying)

But the story is what motivated me to buy this day 1 and play it like crazy. I was enjoying the chioces i made, and the story as it unfolded.

it ended poorly, and let a very bitter taste in my month. To me, a story with a bad ending is not a good story.

Howerver, I fully believes IGN & Gamespot to and probably G4 to still give this game of year status at the end of the year.. Fan outrage will slowly die out, as other things distract gamers. new games that come out, or just life itself. Bioware will address minor ending details in a future DLC, and add in a few lines of dialague and a smaller epilogue, but all current endings will remain the same. I am willing to bet money on that.

[MICHELLE7]

Salis777 wrote...

Oilking72 wrote...

You are deluded. It will be right up there for game of the year and deservedly so.

Probably, plenty of gaming journalists around to shill that one.

Yep...it'll probably get a nod...whether it would win or not would be dependant on how good some of the other big releases are this year. GOTY is like professional reviewers to me...I rarely like what they like anyway.

[accessd]

ME3 (singleplayer) ended up to be the worst of the trilogy - as expected. After one play through I have problems finding motivation for another one due to the ending.

Enjoy the multiplayer though. Was skeptic when I heard about it the first time but I find it surprisingly enjoyable.

[Kilshrek]

Heh, maybe Bioware is hoping Diablo 3 will take the heat off their back.

[Rudy Lis]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

The bribery part was more directed at Rudy Lis

You could easily quoted me to prevent misunderstanding.

Ghost Warrior wrote...

There used to be a magazine in my country with the best reviews,I really wish it was still here. I wonder what they would say about ME3.

Nice guys finish last, I guess that's why they no longer present.
I wonder what good friend of mine, game journalist and avid (A)DnD fan would say on ME3, if he still was here...
He always valued story over everything else. Just remembering some of our banters on (A)DnD modules.

Ghost Warrior wrote...

P.S. Mass Effect 3 has great story.

I'm with Farbautisonn here. ME3 could have great story. So far there are some good points and good foundation, but in current state it is far from great. And what hurts me most - should ME3 had mediocre writing, I'd let it slide, because it'll be standard level everywhere in game. Yet it has great moments, totally belittling rest, meaning that they could make all parts of ME3 story great.

Regarding action... Well, I think it is far from polished. It's like comparing NIB "stock" CZ-75 with well tuned and worked open class. From first look you can't find the difference, but when you start to look closely you start to notice those little differences here and there. But it could be hard to explain to someone why production gun has price of 600 USD, slightly tuned around one grand while open has 3500+ (and that's not upper limit).

Yes, I understand they only have two years to tie all elements into one game, plus that "leak" may spoil their plans, but we discuss final, released product. Should they state that in next 12 months they will polish it to proper level, sort of Witcher "enhanced edition" I'd be first to shut up.

[raider_1001]

Disaster of the year? No, the mass propaganda positive press will ensure that it will not be a disaster.

But it will definitely going to be the funniest joke of the year.

[Rudy Lis]

raider_1001 wrote...

But it will definitely going to be the funniest joke of the year.

Running joke?

[raider_1001]

Rudy Lis wrote...

raider_1001 wrote...

But it will definitely going to be the funniest joke of the year.

Running joke?

The fact that I can answer everything about ME lore with "it got blown up" is pretty darn funny.

Modifié par raider_1001, 21 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[LiquidLogic2020]

bobobo878 wrote...

X_30002000 wrote...
"I feel so sad because good games are hard to find, many comes and goes but few make remember them, I played other bioware games and they were always so professionally done.
So sad . . . "

stop right there, ME3's ending wasn't perfect, but are you seriously going to say that this game was overall worse than DAII?

DA2 was a terrible terrible game but it diden't destroy the replayability of the DA for me, after knowing that choices don't actualy matter in ME I just can't seem to get through ME or ME2 now, as when I was playing and replaying those games I was allways thinking in the back of my mind "I wonder what will happen in the next game now that I've done thies?" but now that feelings gone. 

[Rudy Lis]

raider_1001 wrote...

The fact that I can answer everything about ME lore with "it got blown up" is pretty darn funny.

And it will be running joke. Hell, it already is. We kidding about that since first people beats game, so basically since march 7.

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

DA2 was a terrible terrible game but it diden't destroy the replayability of the DA for me, after knowing that choices don't actualy matter in ME I just can't seem to get through ME or ME2 now, as when I was playing and replaying those games I was allways thinking in the back of my mind "I wonder what will happen in the next game now that I've done thies?" but now that feelings gone.

Interesting, how I will appraise DA2 if I cannot force myself to beat it just once, but beat ME3 4 times. Alas, I guess that's all. I've seen all interactions I wanted (well, almost all) and I'm done with it. There is nothing in replayability left for me.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 21 mars 2012 - 05:44 .

[justlogme]

 Well it really all depends on what Bioware does or doesn't do. For some all they'd have to do is offer a free copy of DA2 with their next game

   But I think most will hold out for something alittle more along the lines of what Bioware advertised and promised ME3 would be time and time again. A game with different endings that aren't just A,B,C or in ME3's case red,green,blue. A game with closure and a ending that answers player questions instead of a cliffhanger just for the sake of Impact and "lots of speculation"