No, I don't have a problem with it because his disability does not get in the way with his ability to do his job and do it better than pretty much anyone else in the galaxy. Yes he's had some problems during a war of such unprecedented scale but so have non-disabled characters. I'd hope that by the 22nd century people wouldn't be so prejudiced.
Anyone else bothered by the fact that they let Joker in the alliance?
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#27
Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:24
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DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
Medi-gel does not cure genetic disorders. Why do you have a problem with someone with a disability being in the game?
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:25
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Yeah, I never really 'bought' Joker's inclusion on the Normandy. I thought his personality and voice acting were great, but the brittle bone disease should've washed him out of any military job where he could conceivably put others at risk because of his disability. I don't mean to insult anyone who likes the character or who has physical restrictions themselves, but the moment something slams into that ship, he risks breaking a bone or worse, and that would instantly put him out of commission. Who would fly the ship then?
His slow shuffling in ME2 kind of proved why he *shouldn't* be on the ship, no matter how brave and clever he is. A healthy pilot could have navigated that scenario a lot faster.
I totally love running up to chat with him after every mission, though, and hearing what he has to say. So I can forgive that lapse of common sense.
His slow shuffling in ME2 kind of proved why he *shouldn't* be on the ship, no matter how brave and clever he is. A healthy pilot could have navigated that scenario a lot faster.
I totally love running up to chat with him after every mission, though, and hearing what he has to say. So I can forgive that lapse of common sense.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:25
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No, I don't have a problem with it because his disability does not get in the way with his ability to do his job and do it better than pretty much anyone else in the galaxy, and medical advances seem to have made breaking bones less of a big deal. Yes he's had some problems during a war of such unprecedented scale but so have non-disabled characters. I'd hope that by the 22nd century people wouldn't be so prejudiced.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:25
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I'm bothered that a person with a brittle bone disease who can't walk has the same body type as every other male in the game.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:26
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Hah! They let others back in. They actually proved themselves. Joker is loyal to the Normandy and Shepard. Also, it had a lot to do with EDI.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:27
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Rob_Nix wrote...
I'm bothered that a person with a brittle bone disease who can't walk has the same body type as every other male in the game.
I read somewhere that their initial design for Joker was different, closer to how I imagined him when he was first described to me - thin, pale, ill-looking. I like that he isn't. He can probably do low-impact weight bearing exercises that build muscle and they'd be very good for him, I say this as someone who also has brittle bones although obviously not as seriously as him!
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:28
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Noatz wrote...
"Why does the Alliance hire pilots with brittle bone disease?"
"So their marines can beat someone in hand to hand drills."
GTFO Vega
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:28
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How dare a disabled person hold down a job! We must make him a recluse on disability benefits with no social life as nature intended!
Seriously though, why are you bothered by joker being an awesome human being?
Seriously though, why are you bothered by joker being an awesome human being?
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:29
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alx119 wrote...
Um, I don't fly the ship with my feet Commander?
Pfft. Win XD
I forgot he even said that in the first game when the Commander raises their concern =P
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:29
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FierceReaper wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
Medi-gel does not cure genetic disorders. Why do you have a problem with someone with a disability being in the game?
that was not my point, I don't care if there is a disabled person on the crew, my point is that if medical research has advanced enough to created medi-gel which can heal serious wounds and they can bring Shepard back to life, why hasn't it advanced enough to cure genetic disorders
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:30
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I regret letting him fly the Normandy because he abandoned Shepard at the end, at the one last stand where the entire united forces of the galaxy is fighting for freedom.
Joker abandoned Shepard, Earth, the entire Alliance fleet and fled... Just so he can have robot sex with EDI.
Joker abandoned Shepard, Earth, the entire Alliance fleet and fled... Just so he can have robot sex with EDI.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:30
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DinoSteve wrote...
FierceReaper wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
Medi-gel does not cure genetic disorders. Why do you have a problem with someone with a disability being in the game?
that was not my point, I don't care if there is a disabled person on the crew, my point is that if medical research has advanced enough to created medi-gel which can heal serious wounds and they can bring Shepard back to life, why hasn't it advanced enough to cure genetic disorders
Chakwas might answer that in ME1. I don't remember exactly though.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:31
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sth128 wrote...
I regret letting him fly the Normandy because he abandoned Shepard at the end, at the one last stand where the entire united forces of the galaxy is fighting for freedom.
Joker abandoned Shepard, Earth, the entire Alliance fleet and fled... Just so he can have robot sex with EDI.
That was the writers fault. It was not in Joker's character to do that.
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Rachek81 wrote...
He proved himself, and he's the best damned helmsman in the alliance navy
This. He explains it in ME1. He worked his ass off to become the best of the best, and they let him in.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:32
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DinoSteve wrote...
FierceReaper wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
Medi-gel does not cure genetic disorders. Why do you have a problem with someone with a disability being in the game?
that was not my point, I don't care if there is a disabled person on the crew, my point is that if medical research has advanced enough to created medi-gel which can heal serious wounds and they can bring Shepard back to life, why hasn't it advanced enough to cure genetic disorders
it can cure them. it just can't cure all of them.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:32
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"I'm not good, I'm not even great; I'm the best damned helmsman in the Alliance Fleet!"
And they know it
And they know it
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:33
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DinoSteve wrote...
FierceReaper wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
Medi-gel does not cure genetic disorders. Why do you have a problem with someone with a disability being in the game?
that was not my point, I don't care if there is a disabled person on the crew, my point is that if medical research has advanced enough to created medi-gel which can heal serious wounds and they can bring Shepard back to life, why hasn't it advanced enough to cure genetic disorders
It can cure them, but only by undergoing gene therapy, which has to be done sufficiently pre-birth. They did not do this, either because of lack of money or because it was caught too late. Also medigel doesn't heal wounds, it just closes them by solidifying in the place of the broken tissue, while simultaneously disinfecting.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:33
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I love the fact that Bioware did this! I have a disability and when I first played Mass Effect and was introduced to Joker, I was all "HELL. YES." Especially the "Um, I don't fly the ship with my feet Commander?" It just totally chimed with me.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:35
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Cuddlezarro wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
because theres no cure for his condition
Sure there is. Unfortunately, there was only one Heavy Bone Weave upgrade, and Shepard thought having unbreakable bones was way cooler than letting his friend Jeff live a normal life.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:39
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GnusmasTHX wrote...
Debilitating disability?
He was mobile enough to rescue the ship from Collector invasion.
He's strong enough to fire a rifle.
He's the best pilot ever and can make the Kessel Run in under nine par secs.
What's the matter here?
But he SHOULDN'T have been able to do that. He admits that even walking is tough, and we are supposed to believe that he was able to stand at the hatch and fire off an assault rifle at the end of ME2? I don't think so.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:39
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xsdob wrote...
How dare a disabled person hold down a job! We must make him a recluse on disability benefits with no social life as nature intended!
Seriously though, why are you bothered by joker being an awesome human being?
There's a world of difference between 'Holding down a job' and "Working in the Military."
Being in the military means you need to be able to fight, sooner or later. As a pilot, you need to be able to get to the escape hatch, or help repel an assault team that penetrates the ship defenses. In ME2, you could argue that Shepard "died" because Joker was unable to get to the escape hatch on his own. Without Shepard there to haul his ass out, he'd have died on that ship. He was unable to perform the simple duty of taking care of himself in a crisis. Those crucial seconds lost picking up Joker and dragging him to the airlock were the difference between life and death for Shepard.
I'm not saying it doesn't make for a great story, I'm just saying it strains my suspension of disbelief quite a bit.
It's also amusing to me that, considering how amazing limb replacement technology is in our modern age, he didn't just have bionic limbs/artificial bones to replace the ones affected by his disease. *shrug* It's a minor, minor quibble, though.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:41
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Mcjon01 wrote...
Cuddlezarro wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled
because theres no cure for his condition
Sure there is. Unfortunately, there was only one Heavy Bone Weave upgrade, and Shepard thought having unbreakable bones was way cooler than letting his friend Jeff live a normal life.
Heavy Boneweave stuff is an armor upgrade. Joker, in a conversation with Vega, explains that they do have medical exoskeletons to help with his condition. He just hates using them because they're similar to a soldier's heavy armor, He feels they screw with his spacial awairness and may interfear with his reflexes while flying.
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Escrito 21 marzo 2012 - 02:42
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wathc me tyep wrote...
He's the best of the best? You're sitting in a chair most of the time anyway, are they expecting the pilot to go fighting?
Lots of military jobs involve sitting in a chair for long stretches of time, I was in the navy and my job boiled down to exactly that. But it isn't the day to day stuff that any military needs to be concerned about. They need to plan for bad things. During an emergency, any military member needs to have the physical capability to handle emergency situations. If they don't they put themselves and others at risk. We saw this at the beginning of ME2 when Shepard DIED rescuing Joker.
