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[moater boat]

Zoedoll wrote...

No, I don't have a problem with it because his disability does not get in the way with his ability to do his job and do it better than pretty much anyone else in the galaxy. Yes he's had some problems during a war of such unprecedented scale but so have non-disabled characters. I'd hope that by the 22nd century people wouldn't be so prejudiced.

It has nothing to do with prejudice and everything to do with being a capable and useful military member. If a guy can barely walk, he is a huge liability, regardless of any other skills he may have.

[VigilancePress]

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[The Angry One]

moater boat wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Debilitating disability?

He was mobile enough to rescue the ship from Collector invasion.

He's strong enough to fire a rifle.

He's the best pilot ever and can make the Kessel Run in under nine par secs.

What's the matter here?

But he SHOULDN'T have been able to do that. He admits that even walking is tough, and we are supposed to believe that he was able to stand at the hatch and fire off an assault rifle at the end of ME2? I don't think so.

I recall he said Cerberus gave him some experimental treatments and surgery at the beginning of ME2.

[moater boat]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Like Joker said in ME1... He's still the best pilot in the fleet. So no

That's another load of crap. How many G's can his frail body withstand? No way someone with a body like that could actually be a pilot.

[FierceReaper]

DinoSteve wrote...

FierceReaper wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled

Medi-gel does not cure genetic disorders.  Why do you have a problem with someone with a disability being in the game?

that was not my point, I don't care if there is a disabled person on the crew, my point is that if medical research has advanced enough to created medi-gel which can heal serious wounds and they can bring Shepard back to life, why hasn't it advanced enough to cure genetic disorders

Because cell regeneration is much, much easier to tackle than rewriting an adult man's genetic code?

[longtimecoming00]

The Angry One wrote...

I recall he said Cerberus gave him some experimental treatments and surgery at the beginning of ME2.

Something like that.

[Mcjon01]

Red Dust wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

My problem is that why does he even have a disability, health care has advanced so far that you can cure **** with medi gel, Shepard was brought back from the dead for **** sake, why was joker disabled

because theres no cure for his condition

Sure there is.  Unfortunately, there was only one Heavy Bone Weave upgrade, and Shepard thought having unbreakable bones was way cooler than letting his friend Jeff live a normal life.

Heavy Boneweave stuff is an armor upgrade. Joker, in a conversation with Vega, explains that they do have medical exoskeletons to help with his condition. He just hates using them because they're similar to a soldier's heavy armor, He  feels they screw with his spacial awairness and may interfear with his reflexes while flying.

That was a joke.

And Heavy Bone Weave is an implant, not armor.  Description:

"By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow for bone regenerations in a matter of days."

See? But alas, no cyborg parts for poor old Joker.

[moater boat]

The Angry One wrote...

moater boat wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Debilitating disability?

He was mobile enough to rescue the ship from Collector invasion.

He's strong enough to fire a rifle.

He's the best pilot ever and can make the Kessel Run in under nine par secs.

What's the matter here?

But he SHOULDN'T have been able to do that. He admits that even walking is tough, and we are supposed to believe that he was able to stand at the hatch and fire off an assault rifle at the end of ME2? I don't think so.

I recall he said Cerberus gave him some experimental treatments and surgery at the beginning of ME2.

That's right, good catch. Still that doesn't explain why the alliance went against logic and commisioned him in the first place.

[The Angry One]

moater boat wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Like Joker said in ME1... He's still the best pilot in the fleet. So no

That's another load of crap. How many G's can his frail body withstand? No way someone with a body like that could actually be a pilot.

Uh. You do realise without a form of inertial dampner, nobody can withstand going to FTL velocities.

[Vromrig]

moater boat wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Like Joker said in ME1... He's still the best pilot in the fleet. So no

That's another load of crap. How many G's can his frail body withstand? No way someone with a body like that could actually be a pilot.

Plausible to believe in inertial compensation devices.  Otherwise Faster Than Light Speed Travel would prove...troublesome.  Human pancakes.  Delicious alternative for Reapers.  Not very effective for fielding an army.

[DannieCraft]

 Not bothered. Spend time with Joker and you'll know he pretty much grew up flying those things. He have earned his status as being the best pilot. 

[moater boat]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Problem with Joker is when I'm running out of the collapsing Collector base I expect you to FLY ME OUT OF THERE WTF GET BACK IN THE PILOTS SEAT!!!!

Exactly this. Anyone that can't do something as simple as running is a huge liability.

[VirtualSoldier27]

everyone in the military goes through the same 9 week basic training,doesnt matter if youre Infantry,support,medical or logistics, you get trained in everything from assualt rifles and grenades to hand to hand combat, especially in world where there is no such thing has a front line anymore, a soldier could go from mopping a base mess hall,to returning fire in combat in a split second.


granted this is a fictional futuristic universe, but it seems like the human alliance is based off of todays militaries

anyway, it doesnt matter, there is no other pilot that Shepard would trust with the Normandy
 

Editado por VirtualSoldier27, 21 marzo 2012 - 02:50 .

[DarkRPG]

He pulled his "Disabilities Right Act" card on them, and the ACULA jumped on it to defend him. Thus Joker got in the Alliance.

[FierceReaper]

VigilancePress wrote...

xsdob wrote...

How dare a disabled person hold down a job! We must make him a recluse on disability benefits with no social life as nature intended!

Seriously though, why are you bothered by joker being an awesome human being?

There's a world of difference between 'Holding down a job' and "Working in the Military." 

Being in the military means you need to be able to fight, sooner or later. As a pilot, you need to be able to get to the escape hatch, or help repel an assault team that penetrates the ship defenses. In ME2, you could argue that Shepard "died" because Joker was unable to get to the escape hatch on his own. Without Shepard there to haul his ass out, he'd have died on that ship. He was unable to perform the simple duty of taking care of himself in a crisis. Those crucial seconds lost picking up Joker and dragging him to the airlock were the difference between life and death for Shepard.

I'm not saying it doesn't make for a great story, I'm just saying it strains my suspension of disbelief quite a bit.

It's also amusing to me that, considering how amazing limb replacement technology is in our modern age, he didn't just have bionic limbs/artificial bones to replace the ones affected by his disease. *shrug* It's a minor, minor quibble, though.

Considering his concern for the Normandy, I'd hazard it was less couldn't and more wouldn't move his ass.

[moater boat]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

wathc me tyep wrote...

He's the best of the best? You're sitting in a chair most of the time anyway, are they expecting the pilot to go fighting?

If the ship gets boarded, then yes.

In today's military, everyone from cooks to mechanics receives basic combat training so they'd know what to do in a firefight.  Can't see that part changing just because they're in space.  And since Joker can't even fire a gun without breaking his ribs, that will automatically disqualify him from any military service, even if he just sits in a chair all day long.

This is the point I was trying to make. In the military, EVERYONE needs to be able to fight, not necessarily well, but everyone needs to be able to handle emergency situations that require a capable body and a capable mind.

Saying that he doesn't need a strong body because he only flies is like saying James could be a drooling idiot as long as he can carry a gun. That's just not how an effective military works

[Vromrig]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

everyone in the military goes through the same 9 week basic training,doesnt matter if youre Infantry,support,medical or logistics, you get trained in everything from assualt rifles and grenades to hand to hand combat, especially in world where there is no such thing has a front line anymore, a soldier could go from mopping a base mess hall,to returning fire in combat in a split second.

granted this is a fictional futuristic universe, but it seems like the human alliance is based off of todays militaries.

Speculative fiction, inspired by Heinlein.  Suggests possibility of non-peak physical fitness for some militaries.  Women preferred for piloting in Starship Troopers.  Can't field weapons or packs as efficiently.  Not acclimated to heavy fighting.  Still efficient pilots.

Space not the same as marine warfare.  Plausible there are differences.  Evidence they are not the same: cripple flies the Normandy.

[Simpfan]

Because its a video game.
Its not real.

Suspension of disbelief people.

[Renew81]

For someone that cant run he sure does it well at the ending of me3

That said joker is still the best pilot in the fleet

[Shaoken]

As stated, the ship has inertial dampners to stop the entire crew from turning into a fine red paste when they drop out of FTL.

In 2 Shepard doesn't have to rescue Joker because Joker's condition prevents him from escaping, he has to rescue him because Joker is refusing to abandon the Normandy. He even states in ME3 that he could have escaped on his own but refused to, which is why Shepard died the first time.

As for him getting the job in the first place, again he went through flight school, and passed at the head of his glass. He can also fire a weapon, so that handles that aspect. You guys keep forgetting that this is a space ship; devices so complex that they put anything we have today to shame. So you can use today's standards for armed forces to say what a future Alliance pilot would have to know to work on the ship. The more complex the requirements for operating the ship, the less room there is for more learning in other areas.

[moater boat]

xsdob wrote...

How dare a disabled person hold down a job! We must make him a recluse on disability benefits with no social life as nature intended!

Seriously though, why are you bothered by joker being an awesome human being?

First of all I didn't insult him, I merely stated the obvious fact that he is not qualified for the job he holds. Don't try and demonize me. I am just using logic instead of emotion. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.

I am not bothered by Joker being an awesome human being. If he had some other disability that didn't hinder his ability to do his job I would have no problem with it. Or, if he had some other NON-MILITARY job that he could do in spite of his condition I would have no problem with that either.

What I have a problem with is the fact that the Alliance apparently has no physical fitness requirements. A suggestion that is nothing short of absurd.

[Jarys]

Couldn't they just give him an alloy skeleton? You even see bone reinforcements being grafted onto shep's skeleton during the ME2 opening cinematic, it would just be a little more extensive for Joker. If he really is that good, don't see why it wouldn't be done.

[Renew81]

Vromrig wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

everyone in the military goes through the same 9 week basic training,doesnt matter if youre Infantry,support,medical or logistics, you get trained in everything from assualt rifles and grenades to hand to hand combat, especially in world where there is no such thing has a front line anymore, a soldier could go from mopping a base mess hall,to returning fire in combat in a split second.

granted this is a fictional futuristic universe, but it seems like the human alliance is based off of todays militaries.

Speculative fiction, inspired by Heinlein.  Suggests possibility of non-peak physical fitness for some militaries.  Women preferred for piloting in Starship Troopers.  Can't field weapons or packs as efficiently.  Not acclimated to heavy fighting.  Still efficient pilots.

Space not the same as marine warfare.  Plausible there are differences.  Evidence they are not the same: cripple flies the Normandy.

Mordin FTW.

[longtimecoming00]

Renew81 wrote...



Mordin FTW.

More like Mordin needs another taste of my Carnifex.

[moater boat]

wathc me tyep wrote...

He's the best of the best? You're sitting in a chair most of the time anyway, are they expecting the pilot to go fighting?

Yes, I am. He is in the military after all. If you are in the military, you have to know how to fight. You never know when you may need to actually engage in combat.