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[nukular power]

The Real Bowser wrote...

I wanted the eagle or crusader. I would have been content with the valiant. Instead, I got this piece of ****. I really got screwed over with this pack.  Oh well.

(I have the collector's edition and experience with this crappy gun.)

I feel your pain.  I just knew I was going to stuck with this piece of ****, and whaddaya know...

[GodlessPaladin]

I would have taken anything over this gun. SMGs in this game are terrible and this one is most certainly no exception, especially considering that Ultralight Materials is bugged.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 21 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[grayrest]

Wynne wrote...

I thought grayrest might be right.

I just did a set of controlled tests and I'm definitely wrong. Must have been Placebo. I was so sure too. I switched back and forth 3-4 times to confirm but never did a controlled test.

[P4NCH0theD0G]

I just don't understand why after you fire your aim does not lower itself automatically again. I could work with the gun, fire in bursts, but the fact that you have to lower your aim again after every two-round burst just to be somewhat level is ridiculous.

[Cosmo G. Spacely]

P4NCH0theD0G wrote...

I just don't understand why after you fire your aim does not lower itself automatically again. I could work with the gun, fire in bursts, but the fact that you have to lower your aim again after every two-round burst just to be somewhat level is ridiculous.

slighty hold down while shooting. 

[Drummernate]

P4NCH0theD0G wrote...

I just don't understand why after you fire your aim does not lower itself automatically again. I could work with the gun, fire in bursts, but the fact that you have to lower your aim again after every two-round burst just to be somewhat level is ridiculous.

In real life that is how guns work.... you don't have them magically float down to the exact same spot, you have to pull it down.

[godlike13]

The gun is great for squad mates in SP becuse they don't have to worry about recoil or accuracy, but for MP i'd think id be just too hard to hit anything, like it is in SP.

Modifié par godlike13, 21 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[Thiak]

the second challenge weekend will give me a hurricane 2, who wants to bet?

[TeamLexana]

All the smg's are pretty bad. I feel horrible for anyone that got one. Their damage looks good but then you try to use one and feel bioware just trolled you, lol.

[P4NCH0theD0G]

So, I'm gonna have to revise my statements a little.

First, all SMGs and most Assault Rifles - except the Locust and the Geth Rifle - seem to have that strange muzzle climb that leaves you aiming higher than before after each burst, even the Shuriken. It is most noticeable when you zoom-aim. With an AR, when hip-firing it's pretty much negligible, but the SMGs are different.

Now, the Hurricane, after some testing, is in my opinion fine for Bronze, mediocre for Silver, not so good for Gold. It does pretty much kill anything in front of it very quickly, Centurions on Bronze and Silver die after a quarter and half a clip, respectively.

The problems for me are that:

A) you cannot Zoom-Aim, otherwise the Recoil and Muzzle Climb will drive you crazy, especially if you mod it with a scope to improve accuracy.

you have to pretty much run straight at your enemy, then stop, then fire (exaggerated but true) in front of him. If you can get close and stay alive long enough you can take out three to four enemies on Bronze, maybe even on silver with one magazine, even a few Centurions. At Gold however you will likely not get that chance, and hip-firing from cover is iffy.

C) Aim Correction while firing is necessary, constantly. Every burst fired, even from the hip will cause your aim to climb and stay there. On the other hand, it's almost impossible to adjust your aim while firing; trying to follow a rolling enemy with a stream of bullets is not really working. Which brings us back to having enemies stand still in front of you, and you aiming straight ahead.

D) you have to work with the Recoil, meaning you either have to get used to constantly aiming down while firing, or you start at your targets feet, fire a few bursts until you shoot over his head, aim down again and repeat. And this is in Shotgun Range. In Bronze you can kill anything but Phantoms and Atlas with a few bursts that start at the feet, end at the head. In Silver you can do that with Troopers, but Centurions and the like require shorter bursts, more aim correction, and keeping the aim around the head.

So, if you can get used to the Recoil and the constant need for aiming downwards while firing, as well as abandon all ranged combat and zoom-aiming, the Hurricane could be a beast. Firing in bursts helps only very little, firing on full auto for more than a second will have you aiming at the sky, but if you can work with it, it should be usable on Bronze and Silver. On Gold... I personally don't see it.

[Gutgore]

So disappointed with this weapon, wish I got anything else.

[P4NCH0theD0G]

Drummernate wrote...

In real life that is how guns work.... you don't have them magically float down to the exact same spot, you have to pull it down.

Really? We're going with the authenticity approach, now?

Sorry, but that statement is incorrect, or at least incomplete. Recoil and Muzzle Climb are reactions to the physical force of the bullet being fired, since you act bascially as grounding for something that pushes away from you. Recoil and Muzzle Climb, depending on which hand you hold the weapon in, result in the muzzle climbing up and to the side. Especially for Full-Auto Weapons. Never just up, there's always lateral movement, too.

Now, if you fire a gun, true, it will buck, the recoil will send the muzzle upwards, but it pretty much pulls itself down again when you stop firing. Why?

1. Gravity. The only reason the muzzle climbs is the force of the bullets pushing off of the weapon. Once that is gone, once the firing stops, that force is gone, therefore Gravity will pull the weapon down again.

2. Subconcious Hand-Eye coordination. If you aim at something, your body will automatically try to counter anything that will interfere with your aim or deviate from the intended target. As long as you fire, your body will try to compensate for the recoil and the muzzle climb, whether successful or not, it will try. But as soon as the firing stops, your body no longer needs to compensate and will automatically return your aim to the point you're targeting. Because you are still aiming at the spot you were aiming at in the beginning. There's no conscious thought involved, because you never stopped aiming at that spot, so when your body can do it, it will do so automatically.


According to you, someone with a Machine-Gun would have to actively pull down the weapon after firing, instead of letting it just come down on its own. If he wouldn't the gun would magically stick it's muzzle up into the air and stay there. Which is just not true. The muzzle climb only happens as long as you fire, and you counter it by aiming and firing in bursts and compensating with your body. Because it is you that aims the gun, not the gun aiming you.

All of which are the reasons why in every other game where recoil is implemented, the aim will automatically correct itself after you stop firing. The same way it is for Sniper Rifles in ME.

[Wynne]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I can't post a video since I lack the equipment, but I didn't have any problem shredding bronze guys with it.  But then, I would have shredded them FASTER with a different gun, and on Gold it took me a silly amount of time to put down a mere Centurion that was stasised at point blank range with all shots hitting.

A quick test on bronze had me easily soloing everything, but on the other hand, it was BRONZE.

Edit:  Just did a quick test on Silver, and it definitely shreds on Silver too.  No offense, but you might actually just have trouble aiming if you're not able to get it to work on Bronze.  I still am underwhelmed by this gun.  Using a heavy pistol I was able to achieve similar results on Gold at close range, but without the limitation of needing to be in close range.

Note:  I tested with an Asari Vanguard with no special equipment, weapon and headshot bonuses in training, and Stasis Bubble.  I only used the stasis bubble once, (to test the full damage potential of the weapon and make sure I was not actually missing).  I then proceeded to solo the first two waves of Gold using only the Biotic Charge and the Hurricane SMG, and I was extremely disappointed.  Firing at point blank range, I killed things more slowly than I did when I had a Carnifex as a sidearm (which always took 1-2 shots to the body on a trooper after hitting with biotic charge, whereas the tempest used up many bullets).

Okay, I went back and re-tested. Apparently I hadn't leveled my engineer when I tried it against the geth, not that I think it should matter much, as I've had no trouble getting level 1 characters through bronze in the past, even alone. I tried it on a level 7 Asari Vanguard and had slightly better results against the Reapers, but when it comes down to it, the muzzle climb is just ridiculous! You say I may have problems aiming--you know that's bull. There's a difference between "aiming" and "constantly compensating for muzzle climb that tries to toss every bullet increasingly towards the ceiling"! If the latter is a skill I need to have for this weapon, then screw the damned thing. 

Still, I didn't say I couldn't kill anything with it. I didn't say I "couldn't get it to work." I said it takes a while (and it also takes constant compensation to be effective, and it goes through its many bullets faster than you'd like). When you're used to killing things quickly and at far range because you have to to stay alive (granted, I almost always take scoped weapons along), why take a gun that can miss and that you have to constantly compensate for when with others you can just aim and an instant later it's dead from a headshot? Maybe I'm just too used to the sick damage and firing rate combinations on the scoped Carnifex and Raptor, but I'd still have to have a pretty poor arsenal to want this along, or any SMG for that matter. God knows I've got a zillion thermal clip packs, why would I need a backup even if ULM actually worked? The Scorpion is kinda gimmicky, but it has its merits. I can't see a single one for the Hurricane.

Granted, I never take the weapon and headshot bonuses on biotic characters. I prefer to maximize biotics. But that makes this gun useless to me. Why would I take it over any of the others when they all work better? I can clear enemies much faster with other weapons. 

I tried a friend's Eagle. It also bites, in my opinion, but at least you can fire it without it spinning wildly away from you. All I really ask of a gun to give it any small amount of respect is that it allows me to point it at the enemy as I fire it. The Hurricane fails in that one simple task. As such, I hate it and it is useless to me. Other weapons in Shepard's arsenal are much closer to being worthy of the N7 label. This one most definitely is not and I will not be using it, which saddens me. If it weren't for the damning, annoying, wrist-hurting muzzle climb, admittedly, I might even come to like it--for Bronze, at least--but realistically, if it's left as is I'm not touching the thing. Ever.

They really should've let people choose what they wanted.

P4NCH0theD0G wrote...

 The muzzle climb only happens as long as you fire, and you counter it by aiming and firing in bursts and compensating with your body. Because it is you that aims the gun, not the gun aiming you.

All of which are the reasons why in every other game where recoil is implemented, the aim will automatically correct itself after you stop firing. The same way it is for Sniper Rifles in ME.

Now, *that*--normal recoil--I could've lived with. And thank you for sharing your perspective; it was interesting to read a more scientific examination of the workings of weapons. I know next to nothing about firing a gun IRL, just in games, so that was a nice read for me. 

Modifié par Wynne, 21 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Drummernate wrote...

Carnifex & M-99 is my usual loadout, and these are arguably the least accurate guns shot for shot.

Haha! Wut? 

[MograthX]

I got the N7 Crusader. I'm now a happy Krogan seeing this thread.

Modifié par MograthX, 21 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Poekel]

I tried it on a level 7 Asari Vanguard and had slightly better results against the Reapers, but when it comes down to it, the muzzle climb is just ridiculous!

Well, got the Hurricane as well and tried it out. Still thinking of any character who can make use of it (perhaps adapts or engineers who need something against enemies closing in in line with cryo or incendiary ammo). What I noticed is, that you have to use it short range and that you never ever should right click aim. There is no muzzle climbing when you're not right click aiming. 2 thing I noticed was that I was spending clips like nothing when using it together with marksman. 5 to 10 seconds and I was out of ammo.

[PirateT138]

Worthless, worthless, worthless. Took it out on my Turian Soldier where Stability shouldn't be an issue and the damn thing can't hit ANYTHING.

I'm sure one of the newbs I dragged through silver ended up with something better, ugh.

[Minic78]

PirateT138 wrote...

Worthless, worthless, worthless. Took it out on my Turian Soldier where Stability shouldn't be an issue and the damn thing can't hit ANYTHING.

I'm sure one of the newbs I dragged through silver ended up with something better, ugh.

Yep. Back to the Revenant already.

[Poekel]

So far tried it on a few characters and having a blast with it on an Asari Vanguard on Bronze. As Im running ot ammo really quick (even with ammo mod 5) should be suplemented quite well by the grenades.

[nukular power]

The Eagle is a better SMG than any of the real SMG's.  Sad but true

[Domnuxx]

Come on guys. It's not THAT bad.

inb4crimsonvanguardandhisnecropics

[darkpassenger2342]

l2p scrubs!

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 19 février 2013 - 08:17 .

[Badpanzer]

The hurricane is awesome...this is a fact.

[Uchimura]

What's the point in bumping this?

[darkpassenger2342]

Uchimura wrote...

What's the point in bumping this?

someone pointed out in a thread about the eagle people used to hate the hurricane too, and bumped this.