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[ohbobsagetpiss]

mghjr6 wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

mghjr6 wrote...

shadey wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

Unaltered version:

that is so much different to the other video, no whipers, no blue effect

are indoc. theorists really getting that desperate they have to start fabricating videos.

Watch the whole thing before you criticize. It was never meant to deceive anyone.

Actually, from everything I've seen, indoctrination was originally planned as part of the ending, then scrapped as they got down to the wire. This would mean that lots of the evidence of the theorists is accurate, it was just never put into place in the end.

Unless the theorists are right, of course.

And IMO, that looks more like broken concrete, including rebar. I'm not saying I'm sure, I'm just saying that is not what broken metal looks like, and it IS suspiciously like concrete.

But does broken concrete=London? I don't see why it would. Also, why is there metal creaking in the backround? To me that suggests he's on the Citadel. I mean yeah, there's some metal structures in London too but i don't know how would've gotten to Earth. And i def don't belive he was being indoctrinated. 

I appreciate the polite reply. I tend to think that concrete = London because you would never use concrete in building any kind of ship or station in space. For one thing it is porous and would leak air, and for another it does not flex AT ALL, so hull stress would break it if the station moved or shook suddenly.

That said, still not sure it's concrete. If it is London, the Indoc theory isn't the only thing out there. They could be suggesting that somehow Shepard survived the remains of the Citadel surviving the fall to Earth.

or it could be we're putting more thought into this than needed. It's possible the creators didn't consider what material the rubble should be made of either way. Regardless, i think it's metal because of the creaking sound. I'll go with it's the citadel. 

[ryuasiu]

Rygonist wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

We are being trolled, severely.

Not trolling, I just booted up the game, went through that whole long process, took a screenshot with fraps, then circled it in MS paint. It has exact same textrue and shape as the corner edges of the beam.

You should probably take out the link to the altered scene and replace it with an unaltered one.

Just took it out with appolgies for not knowing the light effect was added. I however still stand by the fact that has to be part of the beam

[CavScout]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The OP is talking about the blue glow in the background, the blue glow that a still active beam would give off.

There is no blue glow in the un-altered version of the scene....

Okay.

Then what is the blue glow in that video?

The video was edited to be proof of indoctronation. It was added it to make it support the theory.

[mghjr6]

ticklefist wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Am I hallucinating? The glow definitely looks like it could come from the beam.

You're being indoctrinated irl. 

Seriously. It's a video game. They didn't make separate textures for London Rubble and Citadel Rubble. They just made Rubble and used it over and over wherever they needed Rubble.

It's relevant here because it's not an in-game cinematic. It's a pre-rendered cutscene.

[nevar00]

GBGriffin wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Its there fault for picking the wrong endings then who really cares?

Well, for starters, they do

The series is supposed to be about choices mattering...that's why I bought into it and loved it. 

To say that, in the end, there is only one "right" choice...well, then why even make it a choice if you're setting 2/3 of the players (assuming equal distribution) up for failure?

People who want the worst ending possible for their Shep/Crew/LI/galaxy (for whatever reason) should have just the same right to choose as the people who want the absolute best, and it should be based on your effort and playstyle, ideally throughout the entire series. Also, pepper in some choices in the middle...or keep them as they are and just add more.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with funneling the game down to one right answer and then guilting people into choosing it because it's the "correct" choice to make, all to fit a fan-made theory. That, to me, is just as big a slap in the face as what we've received already.

If they want to make the Indoctrination Theory to be correct or if that was the plan the whole time, then Synthesis and Control would OBVIOUSLY have to be wrong.  If DLC comes out with the actual ending I imagine Synthesis and Control will get a cutscene where the Reapers win and then the game will reload and they'll get a chance to make the right decision.

It's like choosing to romance Morinth in ME 2: she kills you because of your choice.  Okay, reload.  

[CavScout]

ryuasiu wrote...

Rygonist wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

We are being trolled, severely.

Not trolling, I just booted up the game, went through that whole long process, took a screenshot with fraps, then circled it in MS paint. It has exact same textrue and shape as the corner edges of the beam.

You should probably take out the link to the altered scene and replace it with an unaltered one.

Just took it out with appolgies for not knowing the light effect was added. I however still stand by the fact that has to be part of the beam

Edited in special effects (by a Indoctrination supporter) is a "fact" that it's part of a beam?

[ohbobsagetpiss]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

It means the game is still on, and they have yet to announce that they're actually working on the rest of what happens to you, pending on what choice you made during that freakish God child thing event (that, in my/your dreams, just got done WARNING ME/YOU ABOUT.) you emrace him.. you're dead, if you choose destroy, you wake back up in London. BioWare is making something for this, because it's still game on.

To me, that just doesn't work because it pretty much says "There is a wrong choice". And really, you could extend that to "There are two wrong choices, and only Destroy is the right choice."

That railroads people into picking destroy for the "right" ending. What about the people who generally believe in Control and Synthesis? I even considered Synthesis before I reached the end.

Indoctrination theory literally ruins the other two endings, as well as the people who actually support them. 

To me, the solution is to expand the current endings and fill them in with details and more choices/endings. The IT came out of people trying to make sense of the ending, but if the endings make sense, there's no need for the IT.

And, of course, my argument against why IT is a poor idea: It basically means I paid $80 for a game and now have to wait for an actual ending. That, to me, is not brilliant in winning over customer satisfaction.

Its there fault for picking the wrong endings then who really cares?

Think about what you just said. It would be a dick move.

[Niemack Saarinen]

I've toyed with the video; brightening it and toying with it, nothing can conclusively be drawn from whats in the background other then it has to be earth and maybe the echo'd sounds of gunshots and metal noises.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 21 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[mghjr6]

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...


or it could be we're putting more thought into this than needed. It's possible the creators didn't consider what material the rubble should be made of either way. Regardless, i think it's metal because of the creaking sound. I'll go with it's the citadel. 

...It's a forum for ME3. This is for fun. I see no harm in the speculation.

[Texhnolyze101]

GBGriffin wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Its there fault for picking the wrong endings then who really cares?

Well, for starters, they do

The series is supposed to be about choices mattering...that's why I bought into it and loved it. 

To say that, in the end, there is only one "right" choice...well, then why even make it a choice if you're setting 2/3 of the players (assuming equal distribution) up for failure?

People who want the worst ending possible for their Shep/Crew/LI/galaxy (for whatever reason) should have just the same right to choose as the people who want the absolute best, and it should be based on your effort and playstyle, ideally throughout the entire series. Also, pepper in some choices in the middle...or keep them as they are and just add more.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with funneling the game down to one right answer and then guilting people into choosing it because it's the "correct" choice to make, all to fit a fan-made theory. That, to me, is just as big a slap in the face as what we've received already.

People who like bad endings get control and synergy and people who like bitter sweet endings got destroy i hate all 3 endings but control and synergy are both the wrong choices because you can't control the reapers nor will jumping in a beam of light because a child told you to will invoke space magic and if people are to stupid to understand that than its there problem you either pick destroy or you failed there is no other choice.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 21 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[ryuasiu]

CavScout wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The OP is talking about the blue glow in the background, the blue glow that a still active beam would give off.

There is no blue glow in the un-altered version of the scene....

The video was chosen simply becuase it was the clearest one I could find. I honestly did not think the blue effect was added in and might have been for doing something that I did not. I appolgize for the mistake, I have since deleted the video link and posted a picture I got from my own machine and only thing added was the red circle

[ohbobsagetpiss]

ticklefist wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Am I hallucinating? The glow definitely looks like it could come from the beam.

You're being indoctrinated irl. 

Seriously. It's a video game. They didn't make separate textures for London Rubble and Citadel Rubble. They just made Rubble and used it over and over wherever they needed Rubble.

you make an excellent point; a classic case of people overthinking otherwise very simple things.

[FatalX7.0]

Oh, I see.

Okey doke.

[mghjr6]

CavScout wrote...


The video was edited to be proof of indoctronation. It was added it to make it support the theory.

Again, I don't want to come across as hostile at all, but watch the whole video or don't comment on it. I watched it, and it was not doctored simply to make you believe the Indoctrination theory. The whole video was a mash from all three games made to drive his point home.

It would be silly to doctor it for the reasons you suggest. It could be disproved in a heartbeat.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

mghjr6 wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...


or it could be we're putting more thought into this than needed. It's possible the creators didn't consider what material the rubble should be made of either way. Regardless, i think it's metal because of the creaking sound. I'll go with it's the citadel. 

...It's a forum for ME3. This is for fun. I see no harm in the speculation.

Did i say it was harmful to speculate? I'm giving you my own speculation right now. 

Modifié par ohbobsagetpiss, 21 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[GBGriffin]

nevar00 wrote...


If they want to make the Indoctrination Theory to be correct or if that was the plan the whole time, then Synthesis and Control would OBVIOUSLY have to be wrong.  If DLC comes out with the actual ending I imagine Synthesis and Control will get a cutscene where the Reapers win and then the game will reload and they'll get a chance to make the right decision.

It's like choosing to romance Morinth in ME 2: she kills you because of your choice.  Okay, reload.  

I just feel that doesn't solve anything because it would essentially tell those fans "You chose the wrong answer" when, really, the point is that it should be up to the player to choose their own. How is that any better than what we got? It's still telling people "Your choices don't matter" because they'll both get the same negative ending, and the only choice that does matter is the "right" choice. That goes against what Mass Effect should be about, imo.

If 2 of the 3 endings stay as is, why even make it a choice? All people will do is reload and pick the Destroy ending for no better reason than to get an actual ending. Also, you're still limited to 3 choices by this logic....and only one of them actually leads to something.

I say, keep the current ending and expand on it. Fill in the blanks so the indoctrination theory doesn't need to exist (it only exists to make sense of that which isn't explained).

[GBGriffin]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


People who like bad endings get control and synergy and people who like bitter sweet endings got destroy i hate all 3 endings but control and synergy are both the wrong choices because you can't control the reapers nor will jumping in a beam of light because a child told you to will invoke space magic and if people are to stupid to understand that than its there problem you either pick destroy or you failed there is no other choice.

People have actually come out with decent defenses for these endings, and honestly, who are we to argue? What's "right" is subjective, and should stay subjective in this series. Let the player choose...having BioWare dictate the "right" ending is essentially just as insulting as our current situation. You only support it because it supports your ending, without considering the feelings of those who would be hurt/insulted from this ending.

Let people pick from one of multiple endings, not just the current 3, and for the love of all-powerful Atheismo, don't make one ending the "right" (as in, the only acceptable) ending. That won't solve anything. 

Let choices matter in multiple ways and endings, not just 3 where 2 of them are blatantly "wrong".

Modifié par GBGriffin, 21 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[ryuasiu]

mghjr6 wrote...

CavScout wrote...


The video was edited to be proof of indoctronation. It was added it to make it support the theory.

Again, I don't want to come across as hostile at all, but watch the whole video or don't comment on it. I watched it, and it was not doctored simply to make you believe the Indoctrination theory. The whole video was a mash from all three games made to drive his point home.

It would be silly to doctor it for the reasons you suggest. It could be disproved in a heartbeat.

Lets try to bring it back to the actual topic of 'is that a part of the beam' I have taken the link of the video off the post since it turns out the lights were added in. I have replaced it with a picture I got off my own machine using fraps and only adding a circle as to what I am talking about

[ohbobsagetpiss]

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"I say, keep the current ending and expand on it. Fill in the blanks so the indoctrination theory doesn't need to exist (it only exists to make sense of that which isn't explained)."

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I strongly agree with this. No need to screw over people who chose differently, that's my biggest beef with indoc theory.

Modifié par ohbobsagetpiss, 21 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[ohbobsagetpiss]

ryuasiu wrote...

mghjr6 wrote...

CavScout wrote...


The video was edited to be proof of indoctronation. It was added it to make it support the theory.

Again, I don't want to come across as hostile at all, but watch the whole video or don't comment on it. I watched it, and it was not doctored simply to make you believe the Indoctrination theory. The whole video was a mash from all three games made to drive his point home.

It would be silly to doctor it for the reasons you suggest. It could be disproved in a heartbeat.

Lets try to bring it back to the actual topic of 'is that a part of the beam' I have taken the link of the video off the post since it turns out the lights were added in. I have replaced it with a picture I got off my own machine using fraps and only adding a circle as to what I am talking about

it's a piece of metal. that's all i can see..it may very well be part of the Citadel for all we know.

[Joykilledme]

Well its round in shape like its the base of something... maybe it is the edges of the beam... it would make sense if shep did wake up in London he would gotten knocked out by the harbinger near the beam platform.