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[shurikenmanta]

SLICKK wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
And if OP wins, what happenes? Bioware gets ruined and EA decides to "fix the problem".

We all lose if OP takes this to court. No matter who wins, Bioware or OP. EA will still see Bioware as a liablity and end them.

-Now I am not a yank, but I believe most US companies have some sort of Insurance to take care of certain caims. I know most danish businesses that do business in the US has such insurance.

If OP wins he gets awarded a sum of cash and then the legal system decides how it should be handled from there. I dont think OP would get awarded billions of dollers or any lump sum that would ruin bioware. And both bioware and the business as a whole would be forced to see their product as any other product. One that you have to stand behind and be able to defend. Its going to come sooner or later, however right now the gaming industry is on a free ride so to speak. They can promise anything and are not held accountable... that doesnt work for any other business (save perhaps movies, and really they could use the shakeup too). Time to be held accountable for the product you produce. Thats it.

Ty is not bout the win or the loss or the money like most peiple in here are assuming its bout time gaming companies get out from behind the its a art blnaket and robbing the fans/clent blind.

Robbed them blind?

It's FIVE MINUTES of not-so-great against what, 33 hours of good?

This is why people get the entitlement brush applied to them unfairly sometimes.

[bennyjammin79]

Please get psychiatric help.

[Ace Kenshader]

I would be laughing my ass off if it weren't for the fact that if this would go to court, it would effect the entire gaming industry as a whole and ruin a lot of developers and publishers.

[LegendaryBlade]

Cool story bro

[dragon_83]

I don't like Bioware. I don't like Mass Effect and I don't like the endings. But what kind of retarded fanboys/girls does Bioware have if they consider a lawsuit because the ending is bad? This just blows my mind. I'm OK with complaining about the ending, I do it myself. But all this lawsuit, fundraising for better ending stuff just proves how ridiculous these people are. I don't like saying this, but seriously GET A LIFE! Or jump off a cliff, I dunno.

Modifié par dragon_83, 21 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Lord of Mu]

Please don't. I'd rather not have our chances of getting the problem fixed shot down with some of this over zealous crap people have been pulling. Post feedback, be constructive.

[huyster1]

Vesji wrote...

huyster1 wrote...

HAHAHAHA. Talk about crossing the proverbial line. Seriously though, any attorney who is willing to represent you has absolutely no respect for the oath he took as an attorney. This is the epitome of a frivolous lawsuit and would get you nothing more than a judgment on the pleadings. In other words, a judge will rule against you right after your complaint was filed. You might wanna rethink this before making a lot of people look bad.

Can you, you know, prove anything you said? Some data would be great.

Can't give you any data...that's basically impossible.  But having been an attorney for over 10 years, I've seen my share of frivolous suits.  And I've seen judges tear young attorneys a new one for coming into court with something like this.  At the beginning of any suit is a claim, meaning you have to state your reason for the suit, ie. what is your injury and why the respondent is responsible.  If you can't state your claim, the respondent's motion for judgment on the pleadings will be granted.

[truedark]

huyster1 wrote...

Vesji wrote...

huyster1 wrote...

HAHAHAHA. Talk about crossing the proverbial line. Seriously though, any attorney who is willing to represent you has absolutely no respect for the oath he took as an attorney. This is the epitome of a frivolous lawsuit and would get you nothing more than a judgment on the pleadings. In other words, a judge will rule against you right after your complaint was filed. You might wanna rethink this before making a lot of people look bad.

Can you, you know, prove anything you said? Some data would be great.

Can't give you any data...that's basically impossible.  But having been an attorney for over 10 years, I've seen my share of frivolous suits.  And I've seen judges tear young attorneys a new one for coming into court with something like this.  At the beginning of any suit is a claim, meaning you have to state your reason for the suit, ie. what is your injury and why the respondent is responsible.  If you can't state your claim, the respondent's motion for judgment on the pleadings will be granted.

I think I lost brain cells reading the OP's post. I think that might count as an assault. I mean, he might as well have taken a knife and stabbed them repeatedly. You think I have a case?

[Farbautisonn]

huyster1 wrote...

Can't give you any data...that's basically impossible.  But having been an attorney for over 10 years, I've seen my share of frivolous suits.  And I've seen judges tear young attorneys a new one for coming into court with something like this.  At the beginning of any suit is a claim, meaning you have to state your reason for the suit, ie. what is your injury and why the respondent is responsible.  If you can't state your claim, the respondent's motion for judgment on the pleadings will be granted.

-And yet, the US has been the source of much entertainment in the legal field. The Stella Awards for instance. Things that would make cops and lawyers cry with disbelief in other parts of the world pass mustard in the US. Nothing is impossible in the states.

Im no barrister/lawyer. But false advertizing is never really allright. And whilst Im not privy to US tradelaws I dont think "bait and switch" is legal in the states either.

[Lycius]

Farbautisonn wrote...

huyster1 wrote...

Can't give you any data...that's basically impossible.  But having been an attorney for over 10 years, I've seen my share of frivolous suits.  And I've seen judges tear young attorneys a new one for coming into court with something like this.  At the beginning of any suit is a claim, meaning you have to state your reason for the suit, ie. what is your injury and why the respondent is responsible.  If you can't state your claim, the respondent's motion for judgment on the pleadings will be granted.

-And yet, the US has been the source of much entertainment in the legal field. The Stella Awards for instance. Things that would make cops and lawyers cry with disbelief in other parts of the world pass mustard in the US. Nothing is impossible in the states.

Im no barrister/lawyer. But false advertizing is never really allright. And whilst Im not privy to US tradelaws I dont think "bait and switch" is legal in the states either.

It's absolutely not legal in the states and it's absolutely what Bioware did with ME3.

This thread really brought out the mindless drones bashing a simple idea. News flash guys, what Bioware has done with this game is the very definition of what class action lawsuits were designed for. Bait and switch, false advertisement, inability to get a refund on said product for the vast majority.

For those of you saying a winning CA suit against EA would ruin the industry, try opening your minds and perhaps realizing that you're simply desensitized to the amount of crap publishers have been shoving down our throats. Game publishers are much like the banks who've effectively screwed the world economy with their greed and lack of regulation. If the money mongering publishers were called on their crap and consumer laws were enforced, we might actually get finished products for our 60+ dollars a game.

I fully expect this is all happening because EA forced the release months before the game was ready because they KNEW the majority have stockholme syndrome and are accustomed to taking whatever BS publishers spew out.

Modifié par Lycius, 21 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[Salis777]

Lycius wrote...

It's absolutely not legal in the states and it's absolutely what Bioware did with ME3.

This thread really brought out the mindless drones bashing a simple idea. News flash guys, what Bioware has done with this game is the very definition of what class action lawsuits were designed for. Bait and switch, false advertisement, inability to get a refund on said product for the vast majority.

For those of you saying a winning CA suit against EA would ruin the industry, try opening your minds and perhaps realizing that you're simply desensitized to the amount of crap publishers have been shoving down our throats. Game publishers are much like the banks who've effectively screwed the world economy with their greed and lack of regulation. If the money mongering publishers were called on their crap and consumer laws were enforced, we might actually get finished products for our 60+ dollars a game.

I fully expect this is all happening because EA forced the release months before the game was ready because they KNEW the majority have stockholme syndrome and are accustomed to taking whatever BS publishers spew out.

He's very right, this kind of thing doesn't stand in any other industry.  Well maybe the brokerage industry with arbitration..  But really, the gaming industry constantly amazes me by what it seems capable of pulling on consumers.  And game consumers seem unwilling to exercise basic rights, or confused about what their powers are.  Just baffling really, but I suppose it's a growing pain.

[l7986]

its **** like this that makes the people that dont like the endings look like a bunch of retards.

Modifié par l7986, 21 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[VolusvsReaper]

I propose something for you OP...how about you hand me the money you are going to waste, I take you out back, kick you in the nuts, and we call it a day?

[Farbautisonn]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I propose something for you OP...how about you hand me the money you are going to waste, I take you out back, kick you in the nuts, and we call it a day?

-Threats of violence now? Thats grand. So guys... Is it ok if I use this quote to generalize the rest of the "endings are fine" group? I mean you seem to be pretty eager to lump everyone in the "endings are bad" movement in with the individuals considering legal action and sending off complaints the the FTC, so Fair is fair right? Right? 

[Moonshadow_Dark]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I propose something for you OP...how about you hand me the money you are going to waste, I take you out back, kick you in the nuts, and we call it a day?

Take it, OP. It's what the courts will do anyway.

[Zaydin]

A. You are really making a strong example for why people are dismissing the 'Demand Better Endings' movement as nothing more than entitled nerds with no lives over-reacting to a disappointing ending.

B. If you got the PC version, you can't sue EA/BioWare; there's a clause in the EULA stating that you cannot sue them; think you get forced into arbitration if you try to sue. I'm fairly certain that might also apply to the console versions, assuming there are EULAs for console games (Which I'm not bothering to look up at this time of night), as well. Either way, you are wasting peopels time and money, and only harming the reputation of your 'movement'.

Modifié par Zaydin, 21 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[VolusvsReaper]

Farbautisonn wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I propose something for you OP...how about you hand me the money you are going to waste, I take you out back, kick you in the nuts, and we call it a day?

-Threats of violence now? Thats grand. So guys... Is it ok if I use this quote to generalize the rest of the "endings are fine" group? I mean you seem to be pretty eager to lump everyone in the "endings are bad" movement in with the individuals considering legal action and sending off complaints the the FTC, so Fair is fair right? Right? 

Oh man a serious person raging? It was meant as a joke shame you have never see National Lampoons Vegas Vacation.

[Lycius]

Farbautisonn wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I propose something for you OP...how about you hand me the money you are going to waste, I take you out back, kick you in the nuts, and we call it a day?

-Threats of violence now? Thats grand. So guys... Is it ok if I use this quote to generalize the rest of the "endings are fine" group? I mean you seem to be pretty eager to lump everyone in the "endings are bad" movement in with the individuals considering legal action and sending off complaints the the FTC, so Fair is fair right? Right? 

Did you really just fail that hard to grasp the meaning of the post? Look up the word context and realize how stupid calling that "Threats of violence" is.

[No Liberty]

No. Just no. Are you really trying to screw everyone over? If you do this, we all lose.

[Lycius]

Zaydin wrote...

A. You are really making a strong example for a case of why people are dismissing the 'Demand Better Endings' movement as nothing more than entitled nerds with no lives.

B. If you got the PC version, you can't sue EA/BioWare; there's a clause in the EULA stating that you cannot sue them; think you get forced into arbitration if you try to sue. I'm fairly certain that might also apply to the console versions, assuming there are EULAs for console games (Which I'm not bothering to look up at this time of night), as well. Either way, you are wasting peopels time and money, and only harming the reputation of your 'movement'.

You do realize that class action suits are almost always handled on a "I don't get paid unless I win" basis right? The only money that will be wasted is EA's.

[Farbautisonn]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Oh man a serious person raging? It was meant as a joke shame you have never see National Lampoons Vegas Vacation.

-Me? Raging? No. But Im rather interested in your definition of "rage" if you think Im "raging" as it were. Im not a psychic nor did you use quotationmarks. Im generally held accountable for my words. And year.. I did see that. Lots of years ago, but then I never really found it amusing. Sorry 

[l7986]

This is like going to a peaceful demonstration agaisnt whatever people protest these days and the cops are there. Everyone behaves and the protesters and the cops dont have any problems. Then theres that one thats just like **** it and starts throwing molotov cocktails at the cops and ****s it up for everyone.

Modifié par l7986, 21 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[Lycius]

l7986 wrote...

This is like going to a peaceful demonstration agaisnt whatever people protest these days and the cops are there. Everyone behaves and the protesters and the cops dont have any problems. Then theres that one thats just like **** it and starts throwing rocks at the cops and ****s it up for everyone.

nonsensical analogy is nonsensical