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[KingDan97]

I honestly have no issue with the idea of asking, petitioning or even demanding(although honestly, you have no right to demand) Bioware to change the ending, I'm even very much in agreement that the ending was attrocious and should be changed.

What I don't however agree with is the vitrol that now fills the Mass Effect 3 story and campaign spoilers forum directed at anyone and everyone no matter how big or small who is either against, or more recently indifferent to us. Heck, people are even claiming now that celebrities tweeting that they enjoy the game are being paid off, and that every article on any site that adresses something other than the ending in a Mass Effect 3 article is somehow trying to "divert attention".

It was one thing when we were trying to calmly get our point across, posting videos we could all find solace in that someone actually seems to understand our feelings on the ending and were all calmly relaying our thoughts to Bioware, but now all those involved in the retake Mass Effect movement take every opinion piece as a personal affront to themselves personally. There were even those who thought that the guy who filed the complaint to the FTC was a Bioware plant.

How paranoid can you get to think that every dissenting opinion is somehow an enemy?

This is a place I love, and I was really with you guys, but you have taken it too far frankly, you've taken something that I'd consider to even be noble because you were standing up for what you believe in but now you're just trying to tear down what everyone else thinks so you're opinion is the only one left standing.

Don't hold the line people, fall back because you clearly can't hold up this level of vitrol.

Of course, knowing the movement I'll be called out as a Bioware shill and they'll try to track me down to torture me until I admit my heracy.

Sorry if this is something no one really cares about here, I just knew that it's too off topic for the ME3 forums(although I personally don't think the many threads tearing apart every journalist or person positing an opinion that isn't "Mac Walters should have his legs sawed off and fed to him." isn't on-topic.)

Modifié par KingDan97, 21 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[mcordonc]

You're generalizing the actions of one or a few people to the whole group.

[KingDan97]

mcordonc wrote...

You're generalizing the actions of one or a few people to the whole group.

I'm not referring to every single person who has an issue with the ending, I'm talking about all those people who end every goddamned post with "END THE LINE!" Who all make their own damn threads just to state they they personally won't keep the game, or aren't buying another Bioware game if the ending isn't changed.

You all have every right to do whatever you want with your money but stop being so damn conceited into thinking that every single one of them is such a goddamned snowflake that somehow their 60$ should be worth all of Bioware's money.

Modifié par KingDan97, 21 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[mcordonc]

The "Hold the Line" statement is just a reminder to people about what we're arguing for and is a way to help keep people together on this. Every sunset that does go by CAN weaken people's resolve mind you (you being an example and I don't mean any offense by that), because of things like vocal minorities in the group pushing to hard or people turning on each other because of that. Whether or not it's Bioware's attempt is really all up to debate.

Just don't read to heavily into what some people say if you don't fully agree to it. This group isn't here to force you to stay, it's here to let bioware know/remind them constantly we didn't like the ending.

Also btw, I'm not really good at arguing my point but in no way did I want any of the above to offend you. I get where you're coming from. I just want to make clear that generalizing everyone based off a vocal minority's opinion does no one any good.

EDIT: Also on the whole issue of people who announce they're returning the game and such or discuss returning it, personally I have debated it and commented that I might return it. When the offer stands to get a full refund why not consider it? All I can tell you on that is to just not read those threads if you don't want to hear about it anymore : /

Modifié par mcordonc, 21 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[KingDan97]

mcordonc wrote...

The "Hold the Line" statement is just a reminder to people about what we're arguing for and is a way to help keep people together on this. Every sunset that does go by CAN weaken people's resolve mind you (you being an example and I don't mean any offense by that), because of things like vocal minorities in the group pushing to hard or people turning on each other because of that. Whether or not it's Bioware's attempt is really all up to debate.

Just don't read to heavily into what some people say if you don't fully agree to it. This group isn't here to force you to stay, it's here to let bioware know/remind them constantly we didn't like the ending.

Also btw, I'm not really good at arguing my point but in no way did I want any of the above to offend you. I get where you're coming from. I just want to make clear that generalizing everyone based off a vocal minority's opinion does no one any good.

My resolve is no lower than it's ever been, I still vehemently believe that we are owed a better ending, that we deserved a better ending, but sorry if I find it arrogant for there to be 80 posts in a 90 post thread that literally are nothing but "HOLD. THE. LINE."

Saying that the group is here to remind Bioware on our feelings about the ending is quite frankly a bull**** argument. Dragon Age 2 didn't need a group, but Bioware listened very clearly with their DLC for it by fixing the issues people saw with the main game as well as they could, and they seem to be very seriously talking with the community in regards to the Next Big Thing™.

If Bioware was listening when we we being civil then why do we feel the need to get agressive.

This would be a vocal minority if it wasn't literally every thread on the front page, full of posts from many different people.

[Chromie]

Hold the line people. Hold the ****ing line.

[Khayness]

No.

This is history in the making, whatever the outcome will be. I find it very interesting.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

I got sick of it when that one guy report it to the FTC and another guy (is currently) trying to sue Bioware over it.

[whiteraider]

Both the FTC compalint and an attempt to start a class action suit are exterme but they are within the rights of those that feel it is neccessary to go that far!

Personally I feel that complaining to the FTC or the ASA here will achieve nothing.

Starting a class action is only going to cost the people doing it & gamers in both the short and long term as money that could go to game development will go to the "suits" & probably EAs share price will take a hit, decreasing it's ability to borrow money (or increase the cost of borrowing), which again will have an affect on future development cycles.

Now those that dont want a change need to look hard at themselves too, as on both sides there is a minority that is pushing far to hard!

My personal feelings are:
The advertising is at best overly misleading, there are far to many plotholes in earlier choices being negated, as well as the 1,2,3 ending just being RGB and a rushed Deus Ex Machina!

I would like, at worst, some plotholes in the ending explained, at best, a whole chapter after the current end that allows us to chase the Reapers to their constuction yards (ME3 Expansion/ME4 plot)

I would also like to be able to import the characters that I spent 80-150hrs each on into the game correctly at the start!

Modifié par whiteraider, 21 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[Cuthlan]

Khayness wrote...

No.

This is history in the making, whatever the outcome will be. I find it very interesting.

This made me lol.

This is just a real-life portrayal of Misery.

I'm your number one fan!

[Mercannis]

Yeah well expect this thread to end with END OF LINE .

[Cyberarmy]

That FTS guys and lawsuits guy are nuts (or spies that trying to damage our noble course )
And there is a very little amount of "real fans" that use harsh language to anyone dont think likes them, at both sides.

That makes 25-30 people, for the rest,


Hold the freaking line, a great game such as Mass Effect 3 deserves a meaningfull(word?) ending.
Not a simple A,B,C...

[android654]

Meh, leave 'em alone. They think they'll accomplish something? That's fine, it's not like they're actually doing anything to you. Why get so worked up over it?

[HoonDing]

First world problems.

[Arcadian Legend]

Filament wrote...

The ones who aren't taking it too seriously, I don't mind. The ones treating this "hold the line" crap like it's actual military bravado, and bashing people over the head over how magnanimous they are for charity, and bringing up complaints to the better business bureau/FTC/class action lawsuits... yeah. Definitely sick of them.

Your avvy will consume... Consume everything.

[SpiderFan1217]

They have the right to show their disdain for the endings. I am getting a little tired of the topic coming up in every thread though. Even the ones that are not dedicated to them.

[Arcadian Legend]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

They have the right to show their disdain for the endings. I am getting a little tired of the topic coming up in every thread though. Even the ones that are not dedicated to them.

Yeah that can get annoying.

[Blastback]

I don't consider myself part of the movement, but I'd say I support it. And whatever comes of this, it's fasinating to watch.

[chunkyman]

Tell me fellow forumites, was it really as bad as everyone says it is?