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[Relwyn]

DarthTrey wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

I am not the only one that shares my thoughts on the subject!

The other millions of people either don't care or disagree with the miniority.

Or haven't finished the game, or Agree with the so called "minority" without voicing their opinions (yet). You sure like to close off potential opponents to the ending it seems. 

[DemGeth]

Cyph3rX wrote...

Donavien wrote...

The Mass Effect saga isn't about one guy, it's about the galaxy. Please keep your sarcasm out of my post. All I want is to let Bioware know that not everybody hates the ending.

That galaxy that went "lalalala not listening." till that one guy went "lol I told you so." in the 3rd game when he couldn't keep covering their ignorant asses anymore.

Now I think I'm beginning to like the ending solely on the basis that I finally got payback, someone help me!

lol

[Hexxys]

DarthTrey wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

DarthTrey wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...
you did no such thing for me? What numbers are these again?

I didn't for you, the numbers are a couple posts up. Over 2 million copies sold. Last checked the retake movement has said they have around 50,000 members. 

Clearly you have never studied statics.
IGN poll, poll in here, polls everywhere show that 85-95% of fans do not like the endings. You asumma that just because every single customer does not visit this place, we are minority. You don't make predictions about presidential campaing by asking over half of the population their opinon, you take 10 000-20 000 people.
Quite frankly, when you look around internet, it either means that we the same people keep popping up everywhere, from forbes to someones individual blog OR that majority of the people simply don't liek the endings.

I have studied statistics. The fact of the matter is that Internet polls mean nothing. My numbers come from the Retake movement is reporting vs units sold. Those polls represent the vocal parts of the population. 85-95%  of fans surveyed doesn't account for a population of over 2 million. Especially when you look at these Poll's numbers and see that only 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 people have been surveyed. 
Like I said earlier, this is completely based on the vocal minority. The possibility exists that majority of the population may not like the ending but as you often see with video games, the vast majority of people don't care enough to speak up about it.
Disagree if you want, but it doesn't change the facts.

You don't have the data to suggest that it's a vocal minority any more than anyone else has to say the contrary.

[Randalf84]

I liked the part where there was lots of speculation from everyone.

[meteng]

 You loved the ending? Well I guess they can't displease everyone.

[FreshRevenge]

 could you just imagine BioWare stepping back and thinking we made our game the most talk about game of the year, wait until we surprise them with True ending. Sneaky and Covert operation of theirs. I know who is behind this!

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[Geneaux486]

I can understand why people disliked the ending. What I can't understand is the people who think that Bioware is somehow obligated to alter their ending to appease an angry mob that's just going to continue to talk **** about them after the fact. Not only that, but do it for *free*.  It almost feels like I'm watching the Retake ME3 movement gradually defeat itself.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 21 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[GigaTheToast]

Is Jar Jar your favorite Star Wars character too?

Not to sound condescending but I'm pretty sure you're operating off a lack of information or understanding, that really is the only way not to be infuriated by the ending.

[Geneaux486]

GigaTheToast wrote...

Is Jar Jar your favorite Star Wars character too?

Not to sound condescending but I'm pretty sure you're operating off a lack of information or understanding, that really is the only way not to be infuriated by the ending.

Well, you do sound condescending, the new Star Wars trilogy doesn't contain my favorite anything, and your mentality that because I don't see the ending the same way you do it means there's a problem on my end says way more about your ego than it does about anything else.

I played ME1 and ME2 several times over, did everything in both games, followed the story, was invested in the plot and characters, and played ME3 all the way to the end.  And I *still* think it was a good ending.  If that's actually blowing your mind then you probably shouldn't waste your time talking to me.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 21 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[talk_sick]

Donavien wrote...

As a 17 year old guy, I've beaten the game twice. First time I sacrificed myself to control the reapers (Meh ending)
Second time through on insanity I chose to destroy synthetic life, and I loved that ending. Just wanted to say I think you guys did a great job. 

Reality check dude.

Since you already saw 2 endings (though the game has only one) here are a couple of things to consider:

1 If you control the reapers, where do they go? (since the relays are destroyed, they can't go anywhere)

2 Why does the Normandy crash on some stupid planet when it was fighting in the battle that is still raging as the relays blow up, preventing the Normandy from ever leaving the sol system

3 why are my squadmates (apparently uninjured) on the Normandy, and flying away, instead of helping me pick my wounded butt off the ground and make it to the conduit?

4 why does shepard, who spent 3 games defying the reapers, just jump off a cliff at the space kid's suggestion?

5 how is the galaxy still alive, if the relay explosions just wiped out all life in all systems with one?

6 how exactly does the final mission change depending on your EMS

7 what happens to the other characters and races based on the choices you've made, after the reapers are defeated.

8 how does all that fall withing developer promises, that there would be many, wildly different endings, and that our choices would matter?



I'd lie if I said that I hate to break this to you (because i really don't), but if you think, even for a moment, that this blatant rip-off of Deus Ex ending that required bending the reality to accomodate is any good, there is something wrong with you.

The ME3 ending is just so universally bad it easily qualifies for a top spot on the 100 most disappointing endings of all time (and it has nothing to do with wether Shepard lives or dies).

[Angmir]

The ENDING is great - only thouth it isnt ending yet. As a part of  a bigger picture it is awesome.

The way BIOWARE fooled 99% is great.

Modifié par Angmir, 21 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Geneaux486]

but if you think, even for a moment, that this blatant rip-off of Deus Ex ending that required bending the reality to accomodate is any good, there is something wrong with you.

And here we see more ego. A Deus Ex is a plot device that comes out of nowhere and suddenly fixes everything. The Crucible was around for the entire game, and it very much did not fix everything. It ended a conflict that was never meant to end in one of three chaotic, life changing ways. How else could a war with Reapers have ended? It took an entire game to kill one of them.  No, there is nothing wrong with you if you liked the ending.  Trying to evaluate someone else's mental health based on a perception that differs from your own?  That's another story.

1 If you control the reapers, where do they go? (since the relays are destroyed, they can't go anywhere)

The Reapers built the Mass Relays.  They'll probably build more.

2 Why does the Normandy crash on some stupid planet when it was fighting in the battle that is still raging as the relays blow up, preventing the Normandy from ever leaving the sol system

Because it was in flight when the Mass Relays shorted out.  Dunno why it took damage even in endings where nothing else took damage, but it did.  This is about the closest thing to a legit plothole I've seen in the hundreds of criticisms I've read about the game's ending.

3 why are my squadmates (apparently uninjured) on the Normandy, and flying away, instead of helping me pick my wounded butt off the ground and make it to the conduit?

Maybe Joker picked them up, maybe they were flying up to the Citadel themselves.  Speculation, yes, but the fact that such possibilities exist renders "It's a plothole" an incorrect assumption.

4 why does shepard, who spent 3 games defying the reapers, just jump off a cliff at the space kid's suggestion?

Because Shepard doesn't control the universe.  The entire war with the Reapers is making the best of a bad situation, this part was no different.  He went with one of three choices because he *had no other choice*.

5 how is the galaxy still alive, if the relay explosions just wiped out all life in all systems with one?

Because nobody rammed an asteroid into the relays to shatter them, they fell apart after discharging energy pulses.  Obviously this would produce a different effect from the Alpha Relay's destruction seeing as how we see it producing a different effect from the Alpha Relay's destruction.  Again, no plothole.

6 how exactly does the final mission change depending on your EMS

It effects the endings you can recieve, as well as the Catalyst's attitude towards you.

7 what happens to the other characters and races based on the choices you've made, after the reapers are defeated.

Aside from having a hard road ahead in terms of survival, whatever fate you left them from the choices you made in the rest of the game.

8 how does all that fall withing developer promises, that there would be many, wildly different endings, and that our choices would matter?

The entire game can take wildly different paths based on the choices you made in ME1 and ME2.  The endings, while similar in appearance, differ greatly in their aftereffects.

The ME3 ending is just so universally bad it easily qualifies for a top spot on the 100 most disappointing endings of all time

Except it's not universally bad.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 21 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[Egonne]

Geneaux486 wrote...

A Deus Ex is a plot device that comes out of nowhere and suddenly fixes everything. The Crucible was around for the entire game, and it very much did not fix everything.

You are soooo right. The crucible is certainly NOT a Deus Ex plot device.  The ending is fixed!!!  Hooray!!!!

HEY!!! Wait a minute....your definition just described the space kid!

Space magic ftw!!!!

Modifié par Egonne, 21 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[Geneaux486]

Yeah I've seen the term "space magic" a lot around here. Even compared to other strawmen the term is really ****ing stupid XD
But anyway, my definition didn't describe the Catalyst either. Also an element of the story who's existence was mentioned very early in the game, it also did not fix everything, nor did it even directly launch the Crucible. It simply showed up to explain a few things to Shepard that anyone paying attention to the story would have figured out by that point anyway, then told him what the Crucible's capabilities are.

[Egonne]

Your definition of Deus Ex: "a plot device that comes out of nowhere and suddenly fixes everything"

Your Defense of Space Kid: "It simply showed up to explain a few things to Shepard"

Ahh...I see.  No wait....that's the SAME THING!!!

Space Magic!!!!!

Modifié par Egonne, 22 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[Geneaux486]

I like how it isn't even the same thing in your sarcastic recital of it. Get your **** together, man! XD

[killnoob]

lol...look at these "retake ME3" cultists...they want other people (such as the lovely folks at IGN, gamespot) to respect their opinion, but choose to ridicule and insult "I'm fine with the Ending" opinion.

[Geneaux486]

The best is when they try to figure out *why* we like the ending. It can't be that we genuinely liked it and just didn't find issue with the things they found issue with, it's 'cause we're casual gamers, or we haven't played it, or we didn't understand the story. Like I've said before, it says more about the ego of people who do that than it does about anything else.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 22 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[killnoob]

GigaTheToast wrote...

Is Jar Jar your favorite Star Wars character too?

Not to sound condescending but I'm pretty sure you're operating off a lack of information or understanding, that really is the only way not to be infuriated by the ending.

" if you don't not share our view, you are stupid" 

lol

[Geneaux486]

killnoob wrote...

GigaTheToast wrote...

Is Jar Jar your favorite Star Wars character too?

Not to sound condescending but I'm pretty sure you're operating off a lack of information or understanding, that really is the only way not to be infuriated by the ending.

" if you don't not share our view, you are stupid" 

lol

Not stupid, ignorant.  Giga took the high road on that one XD

[TheBandit554]

ReavousX wrote...

Donavien wrote...

The Mass Effect saga isn't about one guy, it's about the galaxy. Please keep your sarcasm out of my post. All I want is to let Bioware know that not everybody hates the ending.

I totally respect you opinion, and absolutely agree that it isn't about one guy.  That's actually one of the biggest arguments against the endings as they stand...we get to see zero impact our final decision makes on the galaxy we spent 3 games shaping.  

Well, first, there are massive amounts of closure from the first two games (look them up on google or even here). And secondly, ME1 through ME3 was about Shepard through Shepard's eyes. There is already plans for ME4, they clearly stated ME3 isnt the end of ME only the end of Shepard as we saw.

And I personally loved the endings too. Maybe because we didn't zip through the story and saw our choices play out until the end where we inevitably died (except in destroy). 

Last note: It isn't just an A, B, or C ending there are actually about 6 or 7 endings which you can look up if you want. THAT ARE GAINED THROUGH YOUR CHOICES AND INTERACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD