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[DemonsSouls]

BuckHammer wrote...

DemonsSouls wrote...
-The wound you inflict on Anderson also being inflicted on you.

I believe that Shepard's gut wound was inficted by Marauder Shields.

Well it's been shown that he was shot on his shoulder by Mr. Shields. Also, watch the video I provided in the OP. When Shepard shoots Anderson you can hear Shepard yell with Anderson as if he had just shot himself.

[Tyrzun]

Nicely done Demonsouls.

It's the incomplete ending.

Waking up back in London if you resist Indoctrination right where Harbinger knocked you out.

I will forgive them if they give us the real END for free.

I must give them props for indoctrinating all these gamers. Even after warning them for 3 games over and over and over how it happens. Making em think they can USE the Reapers for good or control them. They get right to the end and just willingly believe Harbinger... it's incredible. When Shep just told TIM you can't control the Reapers, it's the way they indoctrinate you... The TOTALLY ignore that final last warning.

Proud of their Blue or Green indoctrination choice...as they loose all free will and "die".

Edit.  It's easier to see than all that by the way.

As I said Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the protal in your full armor
You wake up get into the citadel in street clothes <---- warning, impossible, unless in an alternate reality
You tell off Harbinger/Star Child and say you will still kill the Reapers
You wake up in London in the rubble where you feel from Harbingers blast

OR you believe Shep in street clothes survived the explosoin of the citadel, survived being in space in street clothes, survived falling through the atmospher without burning up, survived the impact on earth in street clothes, and then woke up back in your N7 armor again...  NOT possible. 

Only way to wake back up in London back in your armor is to have never left.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 21 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Malchat]

DemonsSouls wrote...

All viable possibilities with all sorts of variables on each. The question now is... what will Bioware do about this situation. 

It's not rocket science...

JUST TELL US.

• Commit and defend your artistic vision if this was your best effort and you believe in it.
• Or: Tell us that you're going to release an epilogue / retcon and do so in plain language instead of vague tweets and corporate-speak statements.
• Or: Admit you would have liked more time to develop the finale but you'll make up for it with a killer DLC release schedule.

 
In short, just act like a human being instead of a corporate machine.

We're fans. We can take it.

Modifié par Malchat, 21 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[DemonsSouls]

Tyrzun wrote...

Nicely done Demonsouls.

It's the incomplete ending.

Waking up back in London if you resist Indoctrination right where Harbinger knocked you out.

I will forgive them if they give us the real END for free.

I must give them props for indoctrinating all these gamers. Even after warning them for 3 games over and over and over how it happens. Making em think they can USE the Reapers for good or control them. They get right to the end and just willingly believe Harbinger... it's incredible. When Shep just told TIM you can't control the Reapers, it's the way they indoctrinate you... The TOTALLY ignore that final last warning.

Proud of their Blue or Green indoctrination choice...as they loose all free will and "die".

Edit.  It's easier to see than all that by the way.

As I said Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the protal in your full armor
You wake up get into the citadel in street clothes <---- warning, impossible, unless in an alternate reality
You tell off Harbinger/Star Child and say you will still kill the Reapers
You wake up in London in the rubble where you feel from Harbingers blast

OR you believe Shep in street clothes survived the explosoin of the citadel, survived being in space in street clothes, survived falling through the atmospher without burning up, survived the impact on earth in street clothes, and then woke up back in your N7 armor again...  NOT possible. 

Only way to wake back up in London back in your armor is to have never left.

The evidence is there. The problem for Bioware now though... even if that is exactly what they intended... how will they get their fans to believe as much?

[Rockstarblunt]

DemonsSouls

I'm inclined to agree. The evidence supporting that theory is simply too coincidental.

-The "oily figures" described by the Rachni Queen as part of the indoctrination process... the same figures that haunt Shepard's dreams.
-The child that no one notices, haunts those same dreams, and takes the form of a crucial character right at the end.
-The plants and trees from his/her dreams appearing out of nowhere after being hit by the beam.
-Unlimited ammo.
-Anderson beating you to the control room and describing rooms that don't exist.
-The wound you inflict on Anderson also being inflicted on you.
-Hearing Shepard's voice when Anderson is shot and hearing his/her voice in the Star Childs audio.
-Shepard's eyes in the Control and Synthesis endings.
-Much, much more.

I agree with your ideas as well. I wanted to maybe add the male/fem shep voice in there, whispers, while shepard is (seeing ghostly figures) codex entry for indoctrination.

Also
note, not sure if Anyone caught this, cud be foreshadowing.. But if you
choose Paragon/Renegade to control or destroy the reapers.. EACH TIME..
right before the flash backs and music starts.. there is a REAPER ship
Directly behind Shepard. As if to hint the reaper is controlling him. Of
course in each of those scenes he had the robotic blue eyes of saren/illusive man when they were indoc. as well. But that could be me just way over analyizing it.

Modifié par Rockstarblunt, 21 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

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BuckHammer wrote...

DemonsSouls wrote...
-The wound you inflict on Anderson also being inflicted on you.

I believe that Shepard's gut wound was inficted by Marauder Shields.

No he definatly hits you in the shoulder. The wound also only bleeds when you are still with anderson.

[RaptorZefier]

Niniva wrote...


[Add New Ending Content]               "We're examining all Feedback"
                                                  _____ /
                                                ((_____ )) - "I should go.."
                                                 /            
[Ignore or Mislead Fanbase]              "You all are whiny and entitled"

This is now saved to my notepad for great justice. 

[pablosplinter]

Whether you believe in it or not for now, the indoctrination theory is clearly the best solution.

[Am0nkira]

There have to be more, i mean, the lenght of this game is too short compared with the previus ones.

ME1 = 30 hours
ME2 = 30 hours
ME3 = 20 hours

[mrpoultry]

Malchat wrote...

DemonsSouls wrote...

All viable possibilities with all sorts of variables on each. The question now is... what will Bioware do about this situation. 

It's not rocket science...

JUST TELL US.

• Commit and defend your artistic vision if this was your best effort and you believe in it.
• Or: Tell us that you're going to release an epilogue / retcon and do so in plain language instead of vague tweets and corporate-speak statements.
• Or: Admit you would have liked more time to develop the finale but you'll make up for it with a killer DLC release schedule.

 
In short, just act like a human being instead of a corporate machine.

We're fans. We can take it.

This +1
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[Joccaren]

recentio wrote...

I'll take any new content that patches up the ending into something that makes sense and feels like it is the natural culmination of this great game.

Precisely this.
I personally do not feel that the Indoc theory is what they should use. It was made by fans, no matter what many of the more desperate ones wish to believe (I am talking about the ones who insist it MUST have been Bioware's plan all along, and there is NO OTHER WAY that they could have planned it). If they include it, it will be because they copied the fans idea for it.
Either way, they also have a third option: Don't release ending DLC, and lose a lot of business. I look forward to seeing their response.

[Gaddmeister]

DemonsSouls wrote...
-The plot holes begin to make sense when taken in the context of the indoctrination theory.

The plot holes also begin to make sense when taking bad writing into account. It could actually be that simple. Sadly I believe it is so. Abysmal ending to an amazing franchise.

[Kreid]

You guys realize that hoping for an "it was all a dream" is really starting to sound desperate? I'm not gonna argue whether this indoctrination theory makes sense or not (I see the point made, but I think people are desperately trying to see things that aren't quite there) but thinking BioWare would release a fantasy/fake ending is pretty much insane.

[alx119]

They have to choose between red blue or green. Big decisions indeed :x

[alx119]

Creid-X wrote...

You guys realize that hoping for an "it was all a dream" is really starting to sound desperate? I'm not gonna argue whether this indoctrination theory makes sense or not (I see the point made, but I think people are desperately trying to see things that aren't quite there) but thinking BioWare would release a fantasy/fake ending is pretty much insane.

Well consider, if people is willing to accept the "all a dream", that's admitely a bit over the top by videogame standards. Imagine how bad they have taken the actual endings. Those, are pretty much insane in itself. 

[S Atomeha]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

They would be beyond moronic to not run with the Indoc theory.

Plain and simple.

This, even if your not a fan of the theory you must realize it is then easier for bioware to easily explain away lore inconsistencies/possibly spend less resources getting out a proper ending.

[Kanner]

Indoc is the easist solution to the issue.

The easiest solution is rarely the best, and often fails to do anything at all.

[sadako]

Niniva wrote...


[Add New Ending Content]               "We're examining all Feedback"
                                                 \\ _____ /
                                                ((_____ )) - "I should go.."
                                                 /              \\
[Ignore or Mislead Fanbase]              "You all are whiny and entitled"

This

Modifié par sadako, 21 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Tinmachine]

Malchat wrote...

I'd like to suggest a different scenario:

When they designed the ending, indoctrination and Shapard breaking free of it to end the Reaper threat was exactly what they intended.

However, even after moving the release date, they couldn't manage their production pipeline to deliver what they had envisioned.

They came up with a compromised version that is now in the game: there is a solid build-up to Shepard being indoctrinated but instead of breaking free and bringing the saga to a close, we get the infamous A, B, C choice, a bunch of nonsensical cutscenes (Joker fleeing, jungle planet), the Stargazer, and the Buy Our DLC pop-up.

The latter may indicate that they were hoping to sell us the 'real', cut ending when they had more time to develop it... and then the backlash hit them like a ton of bricks.

So the indoctrination is true... but it doesn't play out as intended in the game that was actually shipped and sold for a premium.

And I think we're completely within our rights to call Bioware on the lackluster ending that they are rubbing our faces in.

I am inclined to agree with you. I've done and reviewed some amount of creative work during my carreer and ME3 has too many familiar patterns of someone reaching for straws when the deadline hits and the grand scheme is far from ready. I would agree the dreams could´ve been part of the indoctrination process and a really cool twist in the making, I however strongly suspect Bioware ended up with too many loose ends and too little time to tie them.

If this ending is as intended, I´d fire the one responsible for it, because it is poorly implemented - so poorly, in fact, that most of the professional writers working at Bioware must know it. For bad, shocking, "OMG!", or semi-tragic endings in the genre, think Empire Strikes Back, Alien, d.c. Blade Runner, Perdido Street Station, Gateway, many of P.K.Dick´s novels, most of the good cyberpunk novels, etc., etc. There are patterns to follow and simple guidelines to observe, otherwise the whole thing stinks of cheap sensationalism. Most importantly: it must be, and feel, absolutely honest.

[Freestate2nd]

Niniva wrote...


[Add New Ending Content]               "We're examining all Feedback"
                                                  _____ /
                                                ((_____ )) - "I should go.."
                                                 /            
[Ignore or Mislead Fanbase]              "You all are whiny and entitled"

Amazing

[Kamagawa]

Played samara mission.
Samara says,: 'few are able to resist the reapers' or something like this.

[DemonsSouls]

Creid-X wrote...

You guys realize that hoping for an "it was all a dream" is really starting to sound desperate? I'm not gonna argue whether this indoctrination theory makes sense or not (I see the point made, but I think people are desperately trying to see things that aren't quite there) but thinking BioWare would release a fantasy/fake ending is pretty much insane.

Look, I'm the kind of person who always sees this kind of situation as fans grasping at straws. But the evidence is clear as day. It's not some crazy illuminati conspiracy theory. There is solid evidence that everything after Shepard gets hit with the beam is not real. Sure, after that it turns into a lot of speculation. But the basic idea of all that not taking place in reality is solid.

I really suggest that you watch this -  

There's simply too much evidence for it to be a coincidence and frankly I'm convinced that there's too much evidence for it to not be intentional on Bioware's part at least to some degree. I really don't want to repeat all those pieces of evidence again, but they are all in that video. The grass and trees from Shepard's dream appearing out of nowhere... The oily figures in Shepard's dream being described as part of the indoctrination process by the Rachni Queen in ME1... I mean... come on. A connection that rooted in previous Mass Effect games... It almost seems absurd to believe Shepard ISN'T being indoctrinated in ME3.

The specifics are up to Bioware but the basic premise has too much evidence to ignore. It all fits together too neatly to be some crazy theory fans are grasping at. Bioware put all these pieces in the game... fans just put them together. It's not like this whole idea is based on guesswork and "what ifs". We clearly see those trees. We clearly hear Shepard's voice when he shoots Anderson and in the Star Childs audio. It all clearly makes sense... What doesn't make sense is the ending taken at face value. How could Bioware put all these pieces in the game unintentional and yet they all go together so perfectly?[/b]