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[Ingu]

I realise the title may sound like flame bait, but I'm genuinely curious as to why people seem to seriously like it. How do they ignore the gaping plot holes re. the Mass Effect relays and the Normandy's, that is, Joker and your whole team's out of character retreat?

Personally I was fine with the first ending I got, dissapointed and hollow inside sure, but ME3 had left me with lots of good memories, and that was I spent time remembering. But after trying out the other choices (and seeing the exact same cinematics repeated at me with colour changes) I was pissed. Then I started wondering about the stranded Victory fleet and how your crew apparantly abandoned Shepherd... and here I am now.

Looking at the Facebook page for Support BioWare's ME and I'm seeing a lot of 'I didn't understand the ending at first, but then I played it again and I think it's wonderfully philosophical etc and makes you think'.

I still don't understand, how do they explain the plot holes? Do they just not notice them? Do they just not really care about what happens to everyone Shepherd had been with, and effectively doomed?

I am genuinely bewildered. I can understand if they say demanding change is a step too far (which it really isn't, considering the brilliance of the indocrination theory and the potential for Bioware/EA to turn this completely around), but loving it? What is their reasoning?


Edit: Rephrasing my original question for more clarity.

Considering the sheer amount of absurdity and plot-holes presented in the final scenes, what exactly do people still find likable about the ending?

Modifié par Ingu, 21 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[HenchxNarf]

There's about a hundred of these, you just need to look for them.

[GnusmasTHX]

To spite people like you, OP.

[Dragoonlordz]

I can only speak for myself but my answer is in my signature if you wish to read it.

[Chernaya]

Because everyone has different opinions/ personal preferences. I wasn't happy with the endings, but I find it kind of freaky how people who were are getting flamed all over this place.

Modifié par EionaCousland, 21 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[111987]

Maybe those people are willing to look past the plot holes to see the message behind them, to explore and think critically about the issues and themes raised, etc...

[HenchxNarf]

EionaCousland wrote...

Because everyone has different opinions/ personal preferences. I wasn't happy with the endings, but I find it kind of freaky how people who were are getting flamed all over this place.

No one can have a positive opinion. No one. And it's been proven twice now in like five minutes.

[Kayawyn4]

They like the ending because they do. I wish I did as well.

[ohmic12]

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

[Hendrik.III]

Same reason that some people like sprouts, leek or line dancing... it's called taste, and there's nothing you can do about it.

[HenchxNarf]

ohmic12 wrote...

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

And this is another person who makes the movement look uneducated and immature.

Just because they like it does not make them a troll and it definately doesn't mean they just started playing the game.

[ref]

I'm curious if anyone here absolutely hated DA2 but loved the ME3 endings, because from what I see the people who loved the ME3 ending, liked DA2, and I'm sorry, I guess I'm ignorant and can't see how anyone could have liked that game (at least compared to DAO)

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Modifié par Refara, 21 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[111987]

ohmic12 wrote...

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

And you call them the trolls.

[FemmeShep]

I've said this numerous times, but here it goes...

The one common thing I notice about fans that liked the ending, is that they liked the general idea of sacrifice with the plot. On the surface, they liked that Shepard sacrifices himself for a greater cause. To them it's a tragic but good way to end a hero story.

But these people also aren't looking beyond the basic idea of the ending. They aren't looking at how the setup for it makes no sense. How the plot itself has plot holes is incoherent, and doesn't fit with the rest of the story. To them, none of that matters. They just like the basic ideas of it.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Tyrzun]

To put it simply, they were indoctrinated. THAT is why Bioware is proud of their ending.

They think what happens on the crucible actually happens even though they do everything in the world to show it's an alternate reality. I do give them props for suckering so many people after telling them exactly how indoctrination works for 3 games and they still just do what they are told by the AI...

My hat is off to them for that, first time ever that's been done. HOWEVER, anyone that thinks that is ok has been indoctrinated on another level. Because of what was promised and what was not delivered. A full ending wasn't delivered. We wake up right where Harbinger knocked us out, if we refuse indoctrination. So, we have no idea how it "ends".

[Chernaya]

Refara wrote...

I'm curious if anyone here absolutely hated DA2 but loved the ME3 endings, because from what I see the people who loved the ME3 ending, liked DA2, and I'm sorry, I guess I'm ignorant and can't see how anyone could have liked that game (at least compared to DAO)

I respect what people find "good" , but I just noticed this as a trend.

I loved DA 2. That's my personal opinion.
I also loved ME 3, but I wasn't fully happy with the endings. So yup, I'm a person who likes DA 2 but still supports the movement.

[FemmeShep]

111987 wrote...

ohmic12 wrote...

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

And you call them the trolls.

Or maybe I should just watch what I say (Edited because I was being a jerk). Sorry everyone!

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[HenchxNarf]

FemmeShep wrote...

111987 wrote...

ohmic12 wrote...

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

And you call them the trolls.

Or maybe they just have bad taste. The highest watched show on TV right now is Two and A Half Men. Lots of people have terrible taste.

Why do you think the most sold products on the market are forumlaic and homogonized.

Just because they don't have the same opinion as you, doesn't mean they have bad taste.

[FemmeShep]

HenchxNarf wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

111987 wrote...

ohmic12 wrote...

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

And you call them the trolls.

Or maybe they just have bad taste. The highest watched show on TV right now is Two and A Half Men. Lots of people have terrible taste.

Why do you think the most sold products on the market are forumlaic and homogonized.

Just because they don't have the same opinion as you, doesn't mean they have bad taste.

I disagree with this. I think objectively there is bad things in life. 

[zingro]

Who liked the ending? Seriously? Where's my meme folder?

[o Ventus]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is real.....then this is the greatest ending i have ever come across no sarcasm

Admittedly, if this many people are scratching their heads at the plausibility, then it wasn't a great idea, in hindsight.

[111987]

FemmeShep wrote...

111987 wrote...

ohmic12 wrote...

They are either trolls looking to fire people up or they only started playing the ME series at ME3 so have no idea of the story line of ME1 & 2 so miss out on the emotional connection that other people have for the series

And you call them the trolls.

Or maybe they just have bad taste. The highest watched show on TV right now is Two and A Half Men. Lots of people have terrible taste.

Why do you think products that sell the most on the market are forumlaic and homogonized? 

You realize that argument works both ways, right?

[Texhnolyze101]

111987 wrote...

Maybe those people are willing to look past the plot holes to see the message behind them, to explore and think critically about the issues and themes raised, etc...

There is no message the endings just suck.

[The Angry One]

It has been my experience, talking with several people who like the ending that they have either deliberately or because they've only seen it once misinterpreted the endings.
Some have gone so far as to manufacture events in their minds that never happened to fill in plot holes (for example, thinking that a general fleet retreat order was issued after the Harbinger beam, when that is a complete misinterpretation of the GROUND retreat order).

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 mars 2012 - 08:03 .