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[S1at3]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Even if you believe that, Shepard still didn't have any such hallucinations until after seeing the boy in ME3. And, just to be a stickler about it, most of the images of the boy are Shepard's dreams, not hallucinations.

The first image we see in this game is that same kid playing with a model Alliance fighter; Shepard is watching him from the window. It could have been a hallucination the whole time. 

If we're not any more bound by probability than that, then I'm going with stillnotking's brain in a vat, theory. It's no less coherent and is far more entertaining.

I still vote that Shepard ate some bad mushrooms.

[Bourne Endeavor]

realguile wrote...

Sorry guys. I'm not super sad about the ending or anything but could someone please explain the indoctrination ending/theory to me in simple terms and why it makes sense? I hated the ME3 ending but I'll still live. lol I'm not holding the line or anything I'm just curious about why people are thinking the things they are.

It sounds interesting but I don't think bioware is at Kojima level trolling their fans with their IPs. lol

If this is legitimatized, I imagine would we begin the DLC immediately following the blast from Harbinger. Someone, perhaps the squad, could find Shepard buried within the rumble. We then discover everything that happened thereafter in ME3 was indoctrination. The only hiccup would be for players who chose Control or Synthesis because this would make those both a "Shepard loses" option.

[MadRabbit999]

Gonna ask again.. please no trolling mister Chilli pepper....

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Can I also ask.... that image about the armour shows a blue light... I have seen this only a few times online...  but my ending was dark with no light of any kind... how come?

[Neophoenix 78]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

realguile wrote...

Sorry guys. I'm not super sad about the ending or anything but could someone please explain the indoctrination ending/theory to me in simple terms and why it makes sense? I hated the ME3 ending but I'll still live. lol I'm not holding the line or anything I'm just curious about why people are thinking the things they are.

It sounds interesting but I don't think bioware is at Kojima level trolling their fans with their IPs. lol

Revan
Sovereign is Reaper
Master is evil

etc

They are RENOWNED for this kind of thing.

Mass Effect 1 Soverign is Reaper.
Mass Effect 2 Collectors are Prothean.
Mass Effect 3 Possible Idoctrination.
Dragon Age 1 Loghain is a traitor.
Dragon Age 2 Anders goes Supernova.
KOTOR     You are Revan.
KOTOR2  Foget but I remember there was something about that game too. Heard there was a lot of story cut that would have made it a complete story. Sound familiar? Could be wrong on this one though.
Only difference in ME3 you cannot do anything about it with the disc you bought on launch date without DLC.

ME1 You blow up Soverign. Either save council or human fleets.
ME2 You blow up Colletor Base. Well this just is stupid either way TIM gets Proto Reaper.
ME3 You look at faceless armor move and fight amongst yourselves.
DA1 You can choose to forgive Loghain and lose Alistair
DA2. You side with Anders and kill Templars or you Kill Anders and side with Templar.
KOTOR. You Become Revan and take power back from Malak or you kill Malak and your redemntion begins.

Everything but ME3 has closure. They have done the 'Its A Twist" in most of their games. But that twist ends up being something important and you have closure and you see your effect. In ME3 you get... well an uproar and the fans fighting it out while everyone else is silent. All the while people are getting refunds on Amazon. Like I said previously. Backfire either way.

Modifié par Neophoenix 78, 21 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[Divitiacus]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

realguile wrote...

Sorry guys. I'm not super sad about the ending or anything but could someone please explain the indoctrination ending/theory to me in simple terms and why it makes sense? I hated the ME3 ending but I'll still live. lol I'm not holding the line or anything I'm just curious about why people are thinking the things they are.

It sounds interesting but I don't think bioware is at Kojima level trolling their fans with their IPs. lol

If this is legitimatized, I imagine would we begin the DLC immediately following the blast from Harbinger. Someone, perhaps the squad, could find Shepard buried within the rumble. We then discover everything that happened thereafter in ME3 was indoctrination. The only hiccup would be for players who chose Control or Synthesis because this would make those both a "Shepard loses" option.

That would be a minor hiccup since the game kicks back out to the pre-Cerberus base, so you have like 2 missions to get where you need to be. It's not like you finish the game and start after beating it or anything that would give a sense of completion like that.

[Turbotanden]

BTW, compare the location of earth on your galaxy map with the start of the chain-reaction at the end. That is definately way off...

[Vhalkyrie]

After replaying ME1 and ME2, I'm more convinced/optimistic this was planned all along.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 21 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[sedrikhcain]

Just so I'm clear on this, those of you who support the indoctrination theory believe, essentially, that the Reapers won this "war" before ME3 ever even really started and everything that happens along the way of any significance never really occurred at all and existed only inside Shepard's head? Or does the hallucination begin only at the end, as a way to excuse it all away and just declare that Shepard died at the beam and, ultimately, the only thing he/she could save us all from was the horror of witnessing the final defeat of organics at the hands of the Reapers?

[S1at3]

Turbotanden wrote...

BTW, compare the location of earth on your galaxy map with the start of the chain-reaction at the end. That is definately way off...

Nooo the flux capacitor misfired and there was a shift in the space time continuum.

[Gwtheyrn]

Or you know... maybe Shepard's eyes were glowing in the Control and Fusion endings because the REST of him was glowing too while being disintegrated?

[Turbotanden]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Gonna ask again.. please no trolling mister Chilli pepper....

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Can I also ask.... that image about the armour shows a blue light... I have seen this only a few times online...  but my ending was dark with no light of any kind... how come?

Mine was dark as well as most I've seen, only exception was someone filming his TV with a handheld camera which made the colors off.

http://www.youtube.c...WqlsQjWo#t=272s

Modifié par Turbotanden, 21 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[MadRabbit999]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Just so I'm clear on this, those of you who support the indoctrination theory believe, essentially, that the Reapers won this "war" before ME3 ever even really started and everything that happens along the way of any significance never really occurred at all and existed only inside Shepard's head? Or does the hallucination begin only at the end, as a way to excuse it all away and just declare that Shepard died at the beam and, ultimately, the only thing he/she could save us all from was the horror of witnessing the final defeat of organics at the hands of the Reapers?

No.. the indoctrination theory does not state that Shepard got indoctrinated... but that he is fighting indoctrination.

Choosing Blue= You GOT indoctrinated, so fail


Choosing Green= You GOT indoctrinated, so fail


Choosing Red= You broke free from indoctrination, you won.

[Turbotanden]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Just so I'm clear on this, those of you who support the indoctrination theory believe, essentially, that the Reapers won this "war" before ME3 ever even really started and everything that happens along the way of any significance never really occurred at all and existed only inside Shepard's head? Or does the hallucination begin only at the end, as a way to excuse it all away and just declare that Shepard died at the beam and, ultimately, the only thing he/she could save us all from was the horror of witnessing the final defeat of organics at the hands of the Reapers?

The point of full indoctrination differs but most agree when you get "hit" by the reaper weapon towards the end. And most of us (I think) believe they planned a DLC continuation.

[Divitiacus]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Just so I'm clear on this, those of you who support the indoctrination theory believe, essentially, that the Reapers won this "war" before ME3 ever even really started and everything that happens along the way of any significance never really occurred at all and existed only inside Shepard's head? Or does the hallucination begin only at the end, as a way to excuse it all away and just declare that Shepard died at the beam and, ultimately, the only thing he/she could save us all from was the horror of witnessing the final defeat of organics at the hands of the Reapers?

No, their idea and it is not a terrible one to at least avoid the terrible Catalyst sequence, is everything after the beam is he is unconscious. Waking up after the destruction ending is taking the correct choice that breaks indoctrination, hence you can freely beat the Reapers in DLC after waking up.

[S1at3]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Just so I'm clear on this, those of you who support the indoctrination theory believe, essentially, that the Reapers won this "war" before ME3 ever even really started and everything that happens along the way of any significance never really occurred at all and existed only inside Shepard's head? Or does the hallucination begin only at the end, as a way to excuse it all away and just declare that Shepard died at the beam and, ultimately, the only thing he/she could save us all from was the horror of witnessing the final defeat of organics at the hands of the Reapers?

No.. the indoctrination theory does not state that Shepard got indoctrinated... but that he is fighting indoctrination.

Choosing Blue= You GOT indoctrinated, so fail


Choosing Green= You GOT indoctrinated, so fail


Choosing Red= You broke free from indoctrination, you won.

But in the red you kill EDI.  She was hot.

[tjmax]

Xenite wrote...

Angry Joe made a new video that pointed to this...



Some of the stuff I caught, but much of it I didn't. I have to say after watching this their can be no doubt that this was indoctrination and as the old man at the end says "one more story" is to come.

Everyone should see this, it clearly shows over a dozen small giveaways that this was the plan all along.

Damn you Bioware for getting us all upset! 

AngryJoes video is speculation still and if it turns out that way then Bioware sold us an unfinished game. Buying installments in order to finish the series is pretty unethical. Would be like billing and  selling Harry Potters deadly hollows 1 as the final movie and then piecing the second movie into installment add ons.

[Kanon777]

Xenite wrote...

Actually here is a link to Joe's new video at the end he shows several tweets from the team. It's pretty apparent something is coming.



The eye's matching the IL, the tree's from your dreams behind you at the end, the 'citadel' using parts of ships you have already been on, list goes on and on... good stuff.

That was later confirmed by jessica as "just having a conversation", she was trying to make people speculate. Later she clarified she knew nothing about it...

[S1at3]

Michael Schofield would know what to do.

[Kajan451]

Gwtheyrn wrote...

Or you know... maybe Shepard's eyes were glowing in the Control and Fusion endings because the REST of him was glowing too while being disintegrated?

Awww but being disintegrated means he became Locutus of borg. The disintegration means he is "loosing" himself and becomes a "reaper".

Or something like that. Thats why his eyes glowed, for sure!

[Vlad1113]

tjmax wrote...

Xenite wrote...

Angry Joe made a new video that pointed to this...



Some of the stuff I caught, but much of it I didn't. I have to say after watching this their can be no doubt that this was indoctrination and as the old man at the end says "one more story" is to come.

Everyone should see this, it clearly shows over a dozen small giveaways that this was the plan all along.

Damn you Bioware for getting us all upset! 

AngryJoes video is speculation still and if it turns out that way then Bioware sold us an unfinished game. Buying installments in order to finish the series is pretty unethical. Would be like billing and  selling Harry Potters deadly hollows 1 as the final movie and then piecing the second movie into installment add ons.

Personally just a thought but Im pretty sure they did split Deathly Hallows into 2 when they could have done it on 1 didnt they?

[sedrikhcain]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Just so I'm clear on this, those of you who support the indoctrination theory believe, essentially, that the Reapers won this "war" before ME3 ever even really started and everything that happens along the way of any significance never really occurred at all and existed only inside Shepard's head? Or does the hallucination begin only at the end, as a way to excuse it all away and just declare that Shepard died at the beam and, ultimately, the only thing he/she could save us all from was the horror of witnessing the final defeat of organics at the hands of the Reapers?

No.. the indoctrination theory does not state that Shepard got indoctrinated... but that he is fighting indoctrination.

Choosing Blue= You GOT indoctrinated, so fail


Choosing Green= You GOT indoctrinated, so fail


Choosing Red= You broke free from indoctrination, you won.

OK, so the idea is that all the choices he has to make are real but the "AI" speaking to him is granting him false information? The citadel, the crucible, all of it, but the catalyst is just an indoctrination-related hallucination?

If that's the case, then why do we see, for example, Joker as a "synthesized" organic after the green ending? Is the idea that we see the real fate of the Normandy in the "winning" ending" but Shepard's hallucinations in all the others?

[Myskal1981]

Mcfly616 wrote...

@Myskal1981:

So it's not possible for them to end the game at the plot twist and conclude it with dlc? Yeah its pretty much never been done before. At least in this way...but its not like Bioware has never been one to innovate, take risks and push the envelope.....

Everything is possible, but highly unlikely. It would have been more likely the first couple of days, but remaining this passive after the backlash this generated? Right now it is damaging Bioware, EA and also the retailers involved.
Do you honestly think that a retailer like Amazon would not call EA and ask whether they have something up their sleeve and if they have, to announce something so to not even start a refunding process?

You think this is only Bioware/EA vs. players, but that is shortsighted. We have many market participants that are getting dragged into this and their revenue gets affected as well.

If Bioware brings out an DLC for the ending, this DLC was not planned, but because the fan reaction was this negative.

And honestly, it is not like Bioware hasn't tanked a game before...

[sedrikhcain]

S1at3 wrote...

But in the red you kill EDI.  She was hot.

VERY salient point S1, when I picked the red ribbon, losing EDI was a major downer. Can't see much win going on there if it means the galaxy moves on without, er, that.

[Drake-Shepard]

Neophoenix 78 wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

realguile wrote...

Sorry guys. I'm not super sad about the ending or anything but could someone please explain the indoctrination ending/theory to me in simple terms and why it makes sense? I hated the ME3 ending but I'll still live. lol I'm not holding the line or anything I'm just curious about why people are thinking the things they are.

It sounds interesting but I don't think bioware is at Kojima level trolling their fans with their IPs. lol

Revan
Sovereign is Reaper
Master is evil

etc

They are RENOWNED for this kind of thing.

Mass Effect 1 Soverign is Reaper.
Mass Effect 2 Collectors are Prothean.
Mass Effect 3 Possible Idoctrination.
Dragon Age 1 Loghain is a traitor.
Dragon Age 2 Anders goes Supernova.
KOTOR     You are Revan.
KOTOR2  Foget but I remember there was something about that game too. Heard there was a lot of story cut that would have made it a complete story. Sound familiar? Could be wrong on this one though.
Only difference in ME3 you cannot do anything about it with the disc you bought on launch date without DLC.

ME1 You blow up Soverign. Either save council or human fleets.
ME2 You blow up Colletor Base. Well this just is stupid either way TIM gets Proto Reaper.
ME3 You look at faceless armor move and fight amongst yourselves.
DA1 You can choose to forgive Loghain and lose Alistair
DA2. You side with Anders and kill Templars or you Kill Anders and side with Templar.
KOTOR. You Become Revan and take power back from Malak or you kill Malak and your redemntion begins.

Everything but ME3 has closure. They have done the 'Its A Twist" in most of their games. But that twist ends up being something important and you have closure and you see your effect. In ME3 you get... well an uproar and the fans fighting it out while everyone else is silent. All the while people are getting refunds on Amazon. Like I said previously. Backfire either way.

woww...
..but this won't convince the non-believers... they will just state it was rushed and they are all smarter then BW writers ..yada yada yada

[S1at3]

sedrikhcain wrote...

S1at3 wrote...

But in the red you kill EDI.  She was hot.

VERY salient point S1, when I picked the red ribbon, losing EDI was a major downer. Can't see much win going on there if it means the galaxy moves on without, er, that.

You could never hurt Joker.  Your profile picture speaks volumes.