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[S1at3]

Shep just ate some bad mushrooms.

[Endersgone]

Warden130 wrote...

Xenite wrote...

Actually here is a link to Joe's new video at the end he shows several tweets from the team. It's pretty apparent something is coming.

Whats in this post? a pasted url. Look again. The url is now clickable! Anything is possible when you know how to use BB codes. Im on a Linux.

[Warden130]

Zunzun wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

At about 4:30 in, the video from the OP's link says Shepard starts to hallucinate images of a boy after encountering the human Reaper, and/or object Rho. Not true, the hallucinations came only after he saw the boy killed by a Reaper.

Not nessisarily. If you paid attention to the video, it will also explain that no one else ever sees or reacts to the child and when Anderson interupt Shepard's talk with the child, you can hear some sort of angry growl. That growl is much like when Greyson in Mass Effect: Retribution, tried to resist the Reaper indoctrination.

There are Reapers everywhere during the initial scene with the boy. Retribution was a book, so how on earth do any of you know what a Reaper sounds like based on that. Even if you accept all these incredible coincidences, there are still zero hallucinations from Shepard in ME2, no matter when you do Arrival or what happens in the Collector base.

It's a slow process. If it starts in Arrival, it's pretty normal there isn't anything to be seen yet.

Pretty much this. It also explains why the Prothean VI couldn't detect the indoctrination on Thessia. Remember that Vigil said that that the Protheans were betrayed from the inside by sleeper agents. If the Protheans had VIs that could detection indoctrination perfectly, that would of never happened.

Modifié par Warden130, 21 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[MadRabbit999]

RaptorZefier wrote...

Xenite wrote...

Damn you Bioware for getting us all upset! 

Angry Joe also points out, if you listened, that if this is true then we were deliberately misled into buying this game, which lauded 'Finishing the fight' and its ending, when it never had it on the disk and was intended for DLC possibly at a price. If anything if the Indoc theory is true it's -worse- then it simply being a bad ending because we were frankly blatantly misled by Bioware. 

So, yeah, smiley faces all around. 

To me that sounds more like "Whaaaa.. whaaaa! Bioware outsmarted me.. whaaa! It is not fair.. whaaaa!"

But we all love speculating don't we

[S1at3]

Warden130 wrote...

Zunzun wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

At about 4:30 in, the video from the OP's link says Shepard starts to hallucinate images of a boy after encountering the human Reaper, and/or object Rho. Not true, the hallucinations came only after he saw the boy killed by a Reaper.

Not nessisarily. If you paid attention to the video, it will also explain that no one else ever sees or reacts to the child and when Anderson interupt Shepard's talk with the child, you can hear some sort of angry growl. That growl is much like when Greyson in Mass Effect: Retribution, tried to resist the Reaper indoctrination.

There are Reapers everywhere during the initial scene with the boy. Retribution was a book, so how on earth do any of you know what a Reaper sounds like based on that. Even if you accept all these incredible coincidences, there are still zero hallucinations from Shepard in ME2, no matter when you do Arrival or what happens in the Collector base.

It's a slow process. If it starts in Arrival, it's pretty normal there isn't anything to be seen yet.

Pretty much this. It also explains why the Prothean VI couldn't detect the indoctrination on Thessia. Remember that Vigil said that that the Protheans were betrayed from the inside by sleeper agents. If the VI's indoctrination detection was perfect, that would of never happened.

Javik said the Prothean empire was also incredibly splintered.  Therefore it is unlikely the same technology was available across the entirety of the galaxy.

[Warhawk7137]

At this point, considering all the evidence, I'm convinced that they did intend to use indoc theory - except they ran out of time halfway through working on the ending and decided to skip doing the rest of the ending and say the indoctrination scene was "reality."

[I Soya I]

More and more believers by the day...

[Warden130]

I Soya I wrote...

More and more believers by the day...

More and more war assets every day

[liggy002]

Man, Harbinger is an even bigger dick then we thought. He just totally screwed with all of our heads.

[stillnotking]

I'd love for someone to explain why, if BW is planning to drop a sooper-secret ending on us any day now, they are currently offering blanket refunds for people who didn't like the current ending? Is it a test of the faithful, or what?

The indoc people are starting to sound like creationists. Even if your theory makes internal sense, it makes no external sense at all. BW would have no conceivable motivation to do such a thing, and even if the motive existed, they wouldn't go about it this way.

[S1at3]

liggy002 wrote...

Man, Harbinger is an even bigger dick then we thought. He just totally screwed with all of our heads.

Harbinger's wife isn't giving him any because he won't do the dishes.  Taking it out on Shep.

[liggy002]

Damage control maybe. They don't want to look like the bad guys since Amazon is refunding but they aren't.  This doesn't mean that they wont release post ending DLC.

Modifié par liggy002, 21 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[Transgirlgamer]

RLesueur wrote...

Yup, pretty soon we'll have re-take Omega DLC.

And then we'll all be sorry we doubted Indoctrination Theory.

Huh, you may be right about the retake Omega DLC.  As soon as I heard from Aria on the Citadel that Cerberus had taken over Omega, I figured we'd be the ones to take it back.  It feels a little od to realise that I hadn't noticed that we hadn't had that yet.

[Warden130]

liggy002 wrote...

Man, Harbinger is an even bigger dick then we thought. He just totally screwed with all of our heads.

Thats what I love about the Indoctrination theory, not only did Harbinger screw with Shepard's mind, he screw with the player's mind too.

Modifié par Warden130, 21 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[pharsti]

I Soya I wrote...

More and more believers by the day...

Im sure you meant, delusional >_>

There is no indoctrination, there will be no indoctrination, thats the ending you have, it sucks, its full of plotholes and nonsense, but thats it.
Leave the current ending alone, want new endings? Fine, i do too (sweet jesus do i want them T_T), but im not going to be insisting on something thats not true and would end up changing the current ending.

Best case scenario, the ending was made for you, the player, to come up with what the hell happened, and you, the player, think you were indoctrinated and just woke up, sweet, now all you have to do is imagine the rest of the game, because no one is going to give you "the rest of the game" because that was it.

Me? Id rather take the ending i have than get another convoluted thing that would leave me exactly where i am now, with no closure besides my imagination.

[Erethrian]

S1at3 wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

Zunzun wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

At about 4:30 in, the video from the OP's link says Shepard starts to hallucinate images of a boy after encountering the human Reaper, and/or object Rho. Not true, the hallucinations came only after he saw the boy killed by a Reaper.

Not nessisarily. If you paid attention to the video, it will also explain that no one else ever sees or reacts to the child and when Anderson interupt Shepard's talk with the child, you can hear some sort of angry growl. That growl is much like when Greyson in Mass Effect: Retribution, tried to resist the Reaper indoctrination.

There are Reapers everywhere during the initial scene with the boy. Retribution was a book, so how on earth do any of you know what a Reaper sounds like based on that. Even if you accept all these incredible coincidences, there are still zero hallucinations from Shepard in ME2, no matter when you do Arrival or what happens in the Collector base.

It's a slow process. If it starts in Arrival, it's pretty normal there isn't anything to be seen yet.

Pretty much this. It also explains why the Prothean VI couldn't detect the indoctrination on Thessia. Remember that Vigil said that that the Protheans were betrayed from the inside by sleeper agents. If the VI's indoctrination detection was perfect, that would of never happened.

Javik said the Prothean empire was also incredibly splintered.  Therefore it is unlikely the same technology was available across the entirety of the galaxy.

Also, as I said in another post, I think the Prothean VI can just detect individuals who use reaper tech or who have reaper tech in them. So, the detection is not perfect, that's why they coulnd't finish building the crucible, and why they failed. And also it explains why the Prothean VI says " Security protocols Overriden", it's not because of Shepard (who is not indoctrinated / or not fully indoctrinated) but because of EDI whose body was built with reaper tech (if you look at the specific scene, when the Prothean VI says that the camera is looking directly at the VI and at EDI (just behind the VI).

[sedrikhcain]

Zunzun wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

At about 4:30 in, the video from the OP's link says Shepard starts to hallucinate images of a boy after encountering the human Reaper, and/or object Rho. Not true, the hallucinations came only after he saw the boy killed by a Reaper.

Not nessisarily. If you paid attention to the video, it will also explain that no one else ever sees or reacts to the child and when Anderson interupt Shepard's talk with the child, you can hear some sort of angry growl. That growl is much like when Greyson in Mass Effect: Retribution, tried to resist the Reaper indoctrination.

There are Reapers everywhere during the initial scene with the boy. Retribution was a book, so how on earth do any of you know what a Reaper sounds like based on that. Even if you accept all these incredible coincidences, there are still zero hallucinations from Shepard in ME2, no matter when you do Arrival or what happens in the Collector base.

It's a slow process. If it starts in Arrival, it's pretty normal there isn't anything to be seen yet.

I don't see how your comment addresses my points. Please feel free to elaborate.

[AlienSpaceBats]

Theories aside, something is definitely coming.

[Warden130]

pharsti wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

More and more believers by the day...

Im sure you meant, delusional >_>

There is no indoctrination, there will be no indoctrination, thats the ending you have, it sucks, its full of plotholes and nonsense, but thats it.
Leave the current ending alone, want new endings? Fine, i do too (sweet jesus do i want them T_T), but im not going to be insisting on something thats not true and would end up changing the current ending.

Best case scenario, the ending was made for you, the player, to come up with what the hell happened, and you, the player, think you were indoctrinated and just woke up, sweet, now all you have to do is imagine the rest of the game, because no one is going to give you "the rest of the game" because that was it.

Me? Id rather take the ending i have than get another convoluted thing that would leave me exactly where i am now, with no closure besides my imagination.

Fair enough if you don't believe it. Personally I do believe it, but I still know that it is still just a theory and not fact yet. I believe in it mainly because I see alot of evidence that supports the theory.

[mupp3tz]

Unfortunately, Final Hours pretty much  confirms that this was the ending that Bioware had intended.  They also commented that:

One night Walters scribbled down some thoughts on various ways the game could end with the line ‘Lots of speculation for everyone!’ at the bottom of the page.” Hudson did say the indoctrination idea was once considered, but then it was scrapped. “And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)” LINK.

Don't think that Bioware set up an ending meant to fool us and have more in store.  It really was a case of bad judgment, which is all the more reason to keep holding the line.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 21 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Erethrian]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Theories aside, something is definitely coming.

And I doubt they'll risk the fanbase with a "Here's the great announcement! Take back Omega DLC!". It has to be something more, for sure.

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[S1at3]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Theories aside, something is definitely coming.

The Covenant?

[stillnotking]

liggy002 wrote...

Damage control maybe. They don't want to look like the bad guys since Amazon is refunding but they aren't.  This doesn't mean that they wont release post ending DLC.

Well, Casey Hudson explicitly said that any DLC would be pre-ending, and all the DLC we currently know of is either pre-ending or multiplayer. So if post-ending DLC exists, it is a secret that has been kept incredibly well and diligently, even in conditions of fan outrage that make BW insane to continue the charade.

While I suppose anything is possible, that seems like a significantly less likely explanation than just assuming that the writing team screwed the pooch.

[sedrikhcain]

Erethrian wrote...

S1at3 wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

Zunzun wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

At about 4:30 in, the video from the OP's link says Shepard starts to hallucinate images of a boy after encountering the human Reaper, and/or object Rho. Not true, the hallucinations came only after he saw the boy killed by a Reaper.

Not nessisarily. If you paid attention to the video, it will also explain that no one else ever sees or reacts to the child and when Anderson interupt Shepard's talk with the child, you can hear some sort of angry growl. That growl is much like when Greyson in Mass Effect: Retribution, tried to resist the Reaper indoctrination.

There are Reapers everywhere during the initial scene with the boy. Retribution was a book, so how on earth do any of you know what a Reaper sounds like based on that. Even if you accept all these incredible coincidences, there are still zero hallucinations from Shepard in ME2, no matter when you do Arrival or what happens in the Collector base.

It's a slow process. If it starts in Arrival, it's pretty normal there isn't anything to be seen yet.

Pretty much this. It also explains why the Prothean VI couldn't detect the indoctrination on Thessia. Remember that Vigil said that that the Protheans were betrayed from the inside by sleeper agents. If the VI's indoctrination detection was perfect, that would of never happened.

Javik said the Prothean empire was also incredibly splintered.  Therefore it is unlikely the same technology was available across the entirety of the galaxy.

Also, as I said in another post, I think the Prothean VI can just detect individuals who use reaper tech or who have reaper tech in them. So, the detection is not perfect, that's why they coulnd't finish building the crucible, and why they failed. And also it explains why the Prothean VI says " Security protocols Overriden", it's not because of Shepard (who is not indoctrinated / or not fully indoctrinated) but because of EDI whose body was built with reaper tech (if you look at the specific scene, when the Prothean VI says that the camera is looking directly at the VI and at EDI (just behind the VI).

The Prothean VI says it detects indoctrination presence. It doesn't say it detects implants. But even by your logic, the argument is flawed because the fact that Shepard is now part cyborg is always part of the indoctrination argument.

Don't you guys think you have to accept an incredible amount of really far-fetched stuff to buy this theory? I mean c'mon, BioWare has already pulled the "hint at the big secret with the VI's reaction" thing before in KoTOR but they supposedly tried it again and screwed it up THAT BADLY this time?

I'm sorry, I can't buy it.

[S1at3]

stillnotking wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Damage control maybe. They don't want to look like the bad guys since Amazon is refunding but they aren't.  This doesn't mean that they wont release post ending DLC.

Well, Casey Hudson explicitly said that any DLC would be pre-ending, and all the DLC we currently know of is either pre-ending or multiplayer. So if post-ending DLC exists, it is a secret that has been kept incredibly well and diligently, even in conditions of fan outrage that make BW insane to continue the charade.

While I suppose anything is possible, that seems like a significantly less likely explanation than just assuming that the writing team screwed the pooch.

I think they only planned pre-dlc ending but due to all the ranting over the last 10 minutes of a 50 hour game they may change their minds.  As of right now I think people are grasping at straws and seeing what they want to see.