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[Warden130]

sedrikhcain wrote...

The Prothean VI says it detects indoctrination presence. It doesn't say it detects implants. But even by your logic, the argument is flawed because the fact that Shepard is now part cyborg is always part of the indoctrination argument.

Don't you guys think you have to accept an incredible amount of really far-fetched stuff to buy this theory? I mean c'mon, BioWare has already pulled the "hint at the big secret with the VI's reaction" thing before in KoTOR but they supposedly tried it again and screwed it up THAT BADLY this time?

I'm sorry, I can't buy it.

Shepard isn't implanted with Reaper tech. So no, Shepards synthetic implants have nothing to do with the indoctrination theory.

Modifié par Warden130, 21 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[Erethrian]

sedrikhcain wrote...
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The Prothean VI says it detects indoctrination presence. It doesn't say it detects implants. But even by your logic, the argument is flawed because the fact that Shepard is now part cyborg is always part of the indoctrination argument.

Don't you guys think you have to accept an incredible amount of really far-fetched stuff to buy this theory? I mean c'mon, BioWare has already pulled the "hint at the big secret with the VI's reaction" thing before in KoTOR but they supposedly tried it again and screwed it up THAT BADLY this time?

I'm sorry, I can't buy it.

Hmmm, it's never stated that the implants used for Shepard are Reaper tech. I'm not talking about "normal implants" but about reaper implants/tech. So it's possible.

Also, the prothean VI does indeed say it can detect indoctrination presence, but never says "how". So, again, my point is possible.

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[Aver88]

Ending cinematics are not from Sheppard's perspective so why those things would happen if he was indoctrinated?

[S1at3]

Erethrian wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...
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The Prothean VI says it detects indoctrination presence. It doesn't say it detects implants. But even by your logic, the argument is flawed because the fact that Shepard is now part cyborg is always part of the indoctrination argument.

Don't you guys think you have to accept an incredible amount of really far-fetched stuff to buy this theory? I mean c'mon, BioWare has already pulled the "hint at the big secret with the VI's reaction" thing before in KoTOR but they supposedly tried it again and screwed it up THAT BADLY this time?

I'm sorry, I can't buy it.

Hmmm, it's never stated that the implants used for Shepard are Reaper tech. I'm not talking about "normal implants" but about reaper implants/tech. So it's possible.

Also, the prothean VI deas indeed says it can detect indoctrination presence, but never says "how". So, again, my point is possible.

Well everyone's point is theoretically possible.  Everyone takes what part of the arguement suits their views and discards the rest. 

[Erethrian]

S1at3 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...
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The Prothean VI says it detects indoctrination presence. It doesn't say it detects implants. But even by your logic, the argument is flawed because the fact that Shepard is now part cyborg is always part of the indoctrination argument.

Don't you guys think you have to accept an incredible amount of really far-fetched stuff to buy this theory? I mean c'mon, BioWare has already pulled the "hint at the big secret with the VI's reaction" thing before in KoTOR but they supposedly tried it again and screwed it up THAT BADLY this time?

I'm sorry, I can't buy it.

Hmmm, it's never stated that the implants used for Shepard are Reaper tech. I'm not talking about "normal implants" but about reaper implants/tech. So it's possible.

Also, the prothean VI deas indeed says it can detect indoctrination presence, but never says "how". So, again, my point is possible.

Well everyone's point is theoretically possible.  Everyone takes what part of the arguement suits their views and discards the rest. 

Indeed, what I meant is noone can really say "You're wrong". Better if who disagrees says "I disagree". ;-)

[Nykara]

Xenite wrote...

Actually here is a link to Joe's new video at the end he shows several tweets from the team. It's pretty apparent something is coming.



The eye's matching the IL, the tree's from your dreams behind you at the end, the 'citadel' using parts of ships you have already been on, list goes on and on... good stuff.

Plus there is the constant exposure to Edi ( who was created using reaper tech, as was ava ).

I dont think Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech the codex states that causes indoctrination to be a lot faster. I think she has had constant exposure to it though, a much slower indoctrination which also means the subject lives for longer before becoming a husk

[MOIST N FLUFFY]

I just don't get the purpose of all the random stuff that points to indoc if there is no actual indoc...I mean, was James' comments about hearing something just a joke? Or, why did the starchild look like the kid that shepard had seen in the beginning and in his dreams? Joker commenting about Shepard still being in the geth construct and not really knowing the difference, because how could he? I don't know. A lot of foreshadow material, and a lot subtleties for it to be nothing. It seems like it has to be something, maybe not indoc, but something.

[SmokePants]

You guys are falling so far down the rabbit hole.

The correct answer to this is and will always be: nope.

[S1at3]

Reaper suppository.

[shinobi602]

I want to believe

[stenorman2001]

Even if this isn't the ending Bioware had intended, it would be interesting to see them run with it. After all it is extremely plausible and gives them the ability to progress from Earth in whatever way they chose, since you 'wake up' again.

It could also make sense that if you chose either Control or Synthesis you couldn't go further like ME2 if you died at the end of the suicide mission you couldn't play any more DLC with that character.

[Xenite]

Warden130 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

At about 4:30 in, the video from the OP's link says Shepard starts to hallucinate images of a boy after encountering the human Reaper, and/or object Rho. Not true, the hallucinations came only after he saw the boy killed by a Reaper.

Not nessisarily. If you paid attention to the video, it will also explain that no one else ever sees or reacts to the child and when Anderson interupt Shepard's talk with the child, you can hear some sort of angry growl. That growl is much like when Greyson in Mass Effect: Retribution, tried to resist the Reaper indoctrination.

Plus that little clip of the boy running into the building through a locked door, which then gets anihilated by that reaper blast. Amazes me how many little things that I didn't see before.

[I Soya I]

pharsti wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

More and more believers by the day...

Im sure you meant, delusional >_>

There is no indoctrination, there will be no indoctrination, thats the ending you have, it sucks, its full of plotholes and nonsense, but thats it.
Leave the current ending alone, want new endings? Fine, i do too (sweet jesus do i want them T_T), but im not going to be insisting on something thats not true and would end up changing the current ending.

Best case scenario, the ending was made for you, the player, to come up with what the hell happened, and you, the player, think you were indoctrinated and just woke up, sweet, now all you have to do is imagine the rest of the game, because no one is going to give you "the rest of the game" because that was it.

Me? Id rather take the ending i have than get another convoluted thing that would leave me exactly where i am now, with no closure besides my imagination.

True, the ending was made for us to come up with. So then, lets count the endings we have come up with. Ending 1) IT. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this. And should it be true, there is reason to believe we will be recieving the ending in the first DLC pack (if its not free then now we have a problem, but still, I'll admit I'll pay.) Ending 2) Space magic. You keep believing in #2 and I'll say Bioware actually has good writers. Sorry, maybe not even good, but at least competant.

[Pairikas]

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

[Erethrian]

Pairikas wrote...

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

But if the theory is true and they offer us a "post ending dlc", we'll be happy.

[MadRabbit999]

Erethrian wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

But if the theory is true and they offer us a "post ending dlc", we'll be happy.

Believe it or not.. lots of people here disagrees with you (Me not being one of them).

They beleive the game is "ruined" DLC or no DLC

*Shrugs*

[Pelle6666]

Really hope this is true. But Bioware shouldn't keep us in the dark this long.

[Pairikas]

Erethrian wrote...

But if the theory is true and they offer us a "post ending dlc", we'll be happy.

Yeah, sure, I mean i like the Theory. But its all just Theory, made by Fans. It's a lot Speculation.
Can't really believe that its true.

[Erethrian]

Pelle6666 wrote...

Really hope this is true. But Bioware shouldn't keep us in the dark this long.

If it's eventually true and they wanted us to feel this way, then an announcement 2 weeks after the last release (15 march in Japan) and a few more days (so they're at PAX, April 6th) seems fair to me. I think verything depends on what they'll say in there.

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[Xenite]

Pairikas wrote...

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

Have you even watched the video? Their are litteraly dozens of things that expose it as indoctrination. I have yet to see anyone 'debunk' them either.

Here is just one of the small ones. If the player picks control or merge they are cleary shown with the EXACT same eyes as the IM, it's a very distinct design. Only the destroy option does not show this and it's also the ONLY option that shows Shep alive.

The whole video is filled with these little inconcistency's. Why is the Citadel suddenly designed like the damaged reaper and the shadowbrokers ship? Why does the same tree's from the dream sequence show up behind Shep dueing the end? Why do you hear "nobody" made it yet the Admiral contacts you at the end on a magic radio on your melted armor? Why does Shep have the wound where he shot Anderson?

Either indoctrination is true, or the writing team at Bioware completely buckled at what is the most important part of three games? I doubt that...

[Erethrian]

Xenite wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

Have you even watched the video? Their are litteraly dozens of things that expose it as indoctrination. I have yet to see anyone 'debunk' them either.

Here is just one of the small ones. If the player picks control or merge they are cleary shown with the EXACT same eyes as the IM, it's a very distinct design. Only the destroy option does not show this and it's also the ONLY option that shows Shep alive.

The whole video is filled with these little inconcistency's. Why is the Citadel suddenly designed like the damaged reaper and the shadowbrokers ship? Why does the same tree's from the dream sequence show up behind Shep dueing the end? Why do you hear "nobody" made it yet the Admiral contacts you at the end on a magic radio on your melted armor? Why does Shep have the wound where he shot Anderson?

Either indoctrination is true, or the writing team at Bioware completely buckled at what is the most important part of three games? I doubt that...

Yeah well, s/he said s/he wants to believe in the IT, but it's true, there's no official response for now, so noone can really say if this theory is really the truth. Anyway, I have hope, as many of us.

Edit: s/he said it here:

Pairikas wrote...

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Yeah, sure, I mean i like the Theory. But its all just Theory, made by Fans. It's a lot Speculation.
Can't really believe that its true.

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[Cucobr]

Me too.

This video is the best to explain Indoctrination Theory.

There isnt room for doubt after see the video

[MadRabbit999]

Xenite wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

Have you even watched the video? Their are litteraly dozens of things that expose it as indoctrination. I have yet to see anyone 'debunk' them either.

Here is just one of the small ones. If the player picks control or merge they are cleary shown with the EXACT same eyes as the IM, it's a very distinct design. Only the destroy option does not show this and it's also the ONLY option that shows Shep alive.

The whole video is filled with these little inconcistency's. Why is the Citadel suddenly designed like the damaged reaper and the shadowbrokers ship? Why does the same tree's from the dream sequence show up behind Shep dueing the end? Why do you hear "nobody" made it yet the Admiral contacts you at the end on a magic radio on your melted armor? Why does Shep have the wound where he shot Anderson?

Either indoctrination is true, or the writing team at Bioware completely buckled at what is the most important part of three games? I doubt that...

The Hackett thing has already been explained as possibility: "The arms of the Citadel opens"  and a guy asks Hackett: wow.. do you think Shepard made it then? Well that's not your mom opening te Citadel's arms, is it?.

Beside it can be on Anderson, the fact that you hear him, and he cannot hear you could mean the radio is nowhere near you.

[Elyiia]

Even if, somehow, the IT is true I highly doubt Bioware would have kept silent this long considering the backlash of the players.

[Pairikas]

Xenite wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

It's really Sad that People putting all of their Hope in the Theory that they don't have become an End.

It really shows very well how bad the End is.

Have you even watched the video? Their are litteraly dozens of things that expose it as indoctrination. I have yet to see anyone 'debunk' them either.

Here is just one of the small ones. If the player picks control or merge they are cleary shown with the EXACT same eyes as the IM, it's a very distinct design. Only the destroy option does not show this and it's also the ONLY option that shows Shep alive.

The whole video is filled with these little inconcistency's. Why is the Citadel suddenly designed like the damaged reaper and the shadowbrokers ship? Why does the same tree's from the dream sequence show up behind Shep dueing the end? Why do you hear "nobody" made it yet the Admiral contacts you at the end on a magic radio on your melted armor? Why does Shep have the wound where he shot Anderson?

Either indoctrination is true, or the writing team at Bioware completely buckled at what is the most important part of three games? I doubt that...

Yeah,, I watch the Video (more than One) sounds all Great, but its JUST Theory, Fan-Made Theory. I like it, sounds good, but there are no Proofs for that Theory.

I can bring in for every Point that should proof the Theory another explanation. They maybe don't sound so good like the one the Indoc-Theory brings up, but nobody could proof which explanation is true.

Why does Shep have the wound where he shot anderson? Because Bioware just want to show him look at his wound and don't really think that all trough.

Sure, your explanation sounds way better than mine, but you can't proof that you are right and I can't proof that I am right. All just Interpretation and Speculation - NO FACTS, NO PROOFS.