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[MadRabbit999]

Elyiia wrote...

Even if, somehow, the IT is true I highly doubt Bioware would have kept silent this long considering the backlash of the players.

Same goes both ways.. if it wasn't true, they would jsut say it.

This is obviously a marketing thing, either if IT is true or not... the fact that Bioware has been incredibly quiet the past week.. even thoguh they were very active here just before that, is proof they are trying to keep quiet.

[Xenite]

Wife just reminded me of something else that nobody else touched on. They made a lot of effort both with the Miranda scene and through the terminal videos later on that the IM refused to implant Shep with the control chip.

They seemed to make a big deal about that fact.

[Erethrian]

Xenite wrote...

Wife just reminded me of something else that nobody else touched on. They made a lot of effort both with the Miranda scene and through the terminal videos later on that the IM refused to implant Shep with the control chip.

They seemed to make a big deal about that fact.

Yup, I also thought something like "Why didn't TIM implant that control chip when he could?". ^^

[Qutayba]

Just read the Dark Horse comic series about the origins of the Illusive Man.  If it's one thing Mac Walters likes to write about, it's the subtle and slow effect of indoctrination.

I think I'm a believer now.  I was wavering, but it was like a switch went off in my brain.  Kind of scary, like those optical illusions that look different depending on how you look at them,  Once you see the new pattern you can't go back.

Modifié par Qutayba, 21 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[Elyiia]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Even if, somehow, the IT is true I highly doubt Bioware would have kept silent this long considering the backlash of the players.

Same goes both ways.. if it wasn't true, they would jsut say it.

This is obviously a marketing thing, either if IT is true or not... the fact that Bioware has been incredibly quiet the past week.. even thoguh they were very active here just before that, is proof they are trying to keep quiet.

Being quiet is the sign of Bioware/EA deciding how to handle it. It doesn't make sense for them to flat out deny IT either because it is, in theory, an option they can take.

[Faunwea]

Cody211282 wrote...

All I got from the old man was "Buy more DLC"

[Twilight_Princess]

well done joe, been loving his contribution to hold the line , he's been awesome

[Aaleel]

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

[DrFrankenseuss]

If you look at the bible of indoctrination video you can clearly see trees to the right of Shep at 6:50 when he's making his mad dash to the beam.
Just for people interested

[Transgirlgamer]

I don't believe indoctrination theory anymore (I used to) because I don't elieve Bioware would give a part way through decision where only one choice lets you play on. I also don't believe that the ending as it stands is the end as Bioware, a company with decades of experience in the gaming world, aren't stupid enough to do that and lose the chance to sell DLC to the hardcore fans, who are the most likely to buy it.

I believe that the ending as we have it is either the catalyst is testing Shepard to see whether he/she is worthy of using the crucible, a common trope in Sci-fi and fantasy. Or possibly Shepard is actually the catalyst and the endings as we have them as him/her starting to unleash that potential. Also another common theme in Sci-fi and fantasy.

I can see no way at all that Bioware didn't see that gamers wouldn't like the ending. After all,why would someone become a game developer unless they were a gamer?

The writer's are not that bad that they come up with such an amazing story spanning three games plus the books and DLC yet fail at the final hurdle of the ultimate ending. There is no way that they would leave it open ended with outstanding questions after people complained at the ending of Lost for exactly the same reason.

Please remember, game developers aren't stupid. Especially not at a company like Bioware which has brought us Neverwinter nights, KoTOR 1 & 2 and Mass Effect 1, 2 and most of three, which most of us would agree is an amazing game apart from the endings.

[shinobi602]

Aaleel wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

Yea, unfortunately it's a double edged sword.....

[shinobi602]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

I don't believe indoctrination theory anymore (I used to) because I don't elieve Bioware would give a part way through decision where only one choice lets you play on.

Why not? One of the outcomes of ME2 is you die and can't continue. Obviously those are not meant as canon ME2 endings, so....

[Warden130]

shinobi602 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

Yea, unfortunately it's a double edged sword.....

Unless said DLC is free.

[Robhuzz]

Xenite wrote...

Wife just reminded me of something else that nobody else touched on. They made a lot of effort both with the Miranda scene and through the terminal videos later on that the IM refused to implant Shep with the control chip.

They seemed to make a big deal about that fact.

It pretty much shows that The Illusive Man's initial intentions weren't so wrong. It's the only moment in the game where he backs down from his 'Anything goes for the sake of humanity' argument and refuses to take a risk with Shepard. It gives more insight into his character than it does into the plot. It shows there might have actually been a person under there, somewhere.

[MadRabbit999]

Warden130 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

Yea, unfortunately it's a double edged sword.....

Unless said DLC is free.

It's mind boggling how people spend £40-£60 for a game, but refuse to pay £5 for a DLC....

[stillnotking]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

I can see no way at all that Bioware didn't see that gamers wouldn't like the ending. After all,why would someone become a game developer unless they were a gamer?

I think you're underestimating the disconnect that can exist between the author's perception of a text and the audience's perception of it. Great writers have made similar blunders many times (Doyle killing off Sherlock Holmes and being forced to retcon it; Dickens rewriting the end to Great Expectations). Especially under deadline crunch conditions, there's a really strong tendency to overlook flaws in your own work, or just dismiss them as "thought-provoking", as the BW writers apparently did. I doubt they really understood that what they saw as thought-provoking, fans would see as lazy, disappointing, or nonsensical.

This is, in fact, the main reason that editors exist: to provide a sort of "reader check" and veto writing that doesn't hold together. My guess would be that the editorial staff cut a lot of corners to meet deadlines. Really, it's their fault as much or more than the writers'.

[darkiddd]

blacqout wrote...

Someone inform him that when the Rachni queen on Noveria was talking about "fear" she wasn't talking about indoctrination - just the fact that Rachni children are frightened when seperated from their parents because they have no on to sing to them.

His video is fraught with similar errors.

But she also said something like "I don't know what happened in the wars (rachni wars) our mothers were confused by shadows and whispers and their songs became frightened" it is not what she said exactly but you get the idea. And we already knew Sovereign indoctrinated the rachni. It was maybe his plan A to regain control of the citadel but the salarians discovered the krogan and used them to beat the rachni.

[Aaleel]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

Yea, unfortunately it's a double edged sword.....

Unless said DLC is free.

It's mind boggling how people spend £40-£60 for a game, but refuse to pay £5 for a DLC....

It's not about the cost, it's about the fact that a company sold you an incomplete game.  How can anyone be fine with the idea that they were sold the final game of a five year trilogy without the ending, and have to spend extra money to get the ending of a game.  if that is the case, we don't know yet. 

[Elyiia]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

Yea, unfortunately it's a double edged sword.....

Unless said DLC is free.

It's mind boggling how people spend £40-£60 for a game, but refuse to pay £5 for a DLC....

It's not about price, it's about being told you're buying a complete product, paying for said product then recieving an incomplete product and being expected to pay more.

[Capeo]

Wow, a video by an idiot that is absolutely fraught with errors? Very convincing.

[dorktainian]

if they charge for the DLC i'll watch the vid on Youtube instead. They are not getting any more money out of me for this.

[Warden130]

Capeo wrote...

Wow, a video by an idiot that is absolutely fraught with errors? Very convincing.

Elaborate.

[Stigweird85]

I want to believe this theory, the evidence is there and it fits. It also leave the DLC window wide open as if the final confrontation was an illusion then the cruicble hasn't been activated yet. The final battle is yet to take place

[MadRabbit999]

Elyiia wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true, it means that Bioware intentionally sold people the final game of a trilogy without the ending, and are planning to sell people said ending at a cost later on.

It's mind boggling how many people are OK with that and more so want this to be the case.

Yea, unfortunately it's a double edged sword.....

Unless said DLC is free.

It's mind boggling how people spend £40-£60 for a game, but refuse to pay £5 for a DLC....

It's not about price, it's about being told you're buying a complete product, paying for said product then recieving an incomplete product and being expected to pay more.

MMOS are sold as "Complete" yet.. they add content equal or double the origina lgame content years down the line.

ME3 IS "complete"... say what you want.. it is good, it is poor.. it is bad.. whatever. .but it IS complete.

Revealing more of the endings does not make the game "complete" because yuo could still compelte it before.

It is really up to the definition of the word "Complete"...

[MadRabbit999]

Warden130 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Wow, a video by an idiot that is absolutely fraught with errors? Very convincing.

Elaborate.

What he really meant to say was:

"I am right you are wrong, my opinion is more important, I do not beleive that people should disagree from me or question my beliefs"