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[Erethrian]

Primula Nightfall wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

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Just like when you dream. You don't question what you dream. You believe it, no matter how crazy your dream looks.

I agree.

[Wikkr]

bryan12112 wrote...

Didn't BioWare comment and say it is not indoctrination? Or am I imagining things? Not that them saying that disproves it or anything, since they could just be denying it.

actually one of the only times theyve mentioned the IT is when someone was slamming it. The bioware responce was something along the lines of "how can you be sure the indoctrination theory is incorrect?"

As usual neither confirming nor denying they seem to take joy in pissing off their fans with this non commital rubbish

[Neophoenix 78]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

@ Neophoenix. No, I just said that The team of writers, devs, editors and everyone else involved in the production of ME3 are less likely to make a hasty mistake on a story killing scale than a single writer with maybe an editor or two and possibly a publisher.

Also, people keep bringing up Arthur Conan Doyle killing off Holmes. He did that delibertly because he didn't want to write Holmes anymore. The work he's famous for now isn't what he wanted to be known for. It was just what payed the bills at the time. Or that's the story I've heard about it anyway. So for him, it wasn't a hasty mistake.

A lot of people liked Anders in DA:O Awakenings. A lot of people who once liked him hated him DA:2. Humans are well humans and mistakes happen. I mean look at Too Human. People who did that game were also quite adamant that the flaw was not in their product, but in that of the person viewing their product. Look at DA:O DLC and how much there was. Now look at DA2 DLC and notice after 2 it was already scrapped. Maybe it was not a hasty mistake. Ever hear of the statment that You are too close to the issue to see what is really going on.  Fallout 3 had to change their ending too. Mistakes happen. And well look at the current record of this company. DA2 was a wash. They stopped creating money making DLC for the title already. And the uproar that ME3 has caused. I would say yes.. no mater how many failsafes you have.. mistakes happen.

[Tsantilas]

Oh look it's this thread again. Good god people, which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get? "No doubt about indoctrination now..." my ass. If there is no "real ending" DLC, the Indoctrination theory is meaningless because ending the game on a dream sequence without actually fighting (defeating) the reapers, defeats the whole purpose of the game. The only way the Indoctrination theory makes sense (even if you get past the fact that it's got plenty of plot holes of it's own) is if a free patch "completes" the game... but do you really think that's going to happen?

I wonder how many times I'll have to link this until people start getting the picture:

[Elyiia]

There's plenty of reasons why the evidence for the IT would occur.

Anderson not seeing the child? He was focused on getting Shepard to the Normandy, he didn't expect to see the kid in the ducts and if your mind doesn't expect it, sometimes you won't see it. As for him not hearing Shepard, it could have easily been distorted by the sounds of war.

The kid not getting helped aboard the shuttle? The soldiers are protecting the shuttle, it's very plausible they didn't even see him. The people inside the shuttle were, as I remember, watching the Reapers. As in, they were looking up, not down at a small child who, until he got onto the shuttle, probably wasn't even in their line of sight.

As for Vega talking about humming, it could range from anything from something that was installed between the last time he was on it, and now to paranoia etc.

There are other explanations for pretty much everything. I still don't buy that Bioware wouldn't have announced that IT was the truth after the first few days of fecal matter hitting the ceiling.

[Mnementh2230]

stillnotking wrote...

The indoc people are starting to sound like creationists. Even if your theory makes internal sense, it makes no external sense at all.

Key differences:

- we know the story we're going over is fiction
- we (or at least I) understand that it's quite possible Bioware never intended this

For myself, I'm running with Indoc Theory as an internally more satisfying and "uplifting" ending than anything that obviously exists in game.

[Erethrian]

Tsantilas wrote...

...there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get? "No doubt about indoctrination now..." my ass. ...

No reason for being disrespectful with the people who want to believe IT is true. Also, there're no facts supporting the theory isn't true for now. Nothing more to say.

[Troubleshooter11]

 "one more story about the Shepard", followed by a popup that you reached the end and you can get thrown back to just before the Cerberus base attack, so you can buy more DLC'sto do more stuff that wont matter as the people will probably end up dying anyway...


But i'm not bitter.

[Capeo]

Wikkr wrote...

bryan12112 wrote...

Didn't BioWare comment and say it is not indoctrination? Or am I imagining things? Not that them saying that disproves it or anything, since they could just be denying it.

actually one of the only times theyve mentioned the IT is when someone was slamming it. The bioware responce was something along the lines of "how can you be sure the indoctrination theory is incorrect?"

As usual neither confirming nor denying they seem to take joy in pissing off their fans with this non commital rubbish

Go the PR thread from last night.  Jessica talks about "the ending" repeatedly in the present tense.  About how she's been collecting the community's questions to see what people need clarified about "the ending".  There is nothing beyond this ending.  There is no indoctrination people.  Get over it.  She goes so far to say that the overwhelming majority of people like "the ending".  There is nothing more.

[Tsantilas]

Erethrian wrote...

No reason for being disrespectful with the people who want to believe IT is true. Also, there're no facts supporting the theory isn't true for now. Nothing more to say.

Way to ignore the rest of my post.  I'm not trying to be rude on purpose, but after seeing the hundredth thread stating that the Indoctrination Theory must be true, I'm starting to lose my patience.

[Warden130]

Tsantilas wrote...

Which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get?

A wild theory explanation appears.

[Mnementh2230]

I wonder if Bioware is just waiting for some critical mass of people buying the game...

or maybe they're waiting for a critical mass of people finishing the game (surely they're getting some signal that a user has finished...)? I mean, I haven't finished, personally. I've gotten to the point where helping/killing the Quarians is next, saw the hubbub about the ending, and lost all interest.

[Capeo]

Erethrian wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

...there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get? "No doubt about indoctrination now..." my ass. ...

No reason for being disrespectful with the people who want to believe IT is true. Also, there're no facts supporting the theory isn't true for now. Nothing more to say.

You clearly don't know what a "fact" is.  A fact is what devs say.  A fact is the screenshot above clearly telling you you beat the game no matter which ending you pick.  A fact is a script with same endings and conversations that doesn't mention a thing about indoctrination.

[Erethrian]

Tsantilas wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

No reason for being disrespectful with the people who want to believe IT is true. Also, there're no facts supporting the theory isn't true for now. Nothing more to say.

Way to ignore the rest of my post.  I'm not trying to be rude on purpose, but after seeing the hundredth thread stating that the Indoctrination Theory must be true, I'm starting to lose my patience.

Not ignoring it, just I don't liked that part.  And I understand your point, too. I won't say the IT IS true, I'll say I believe or I think it could be true. But indeed, is not a fact and we're all waiting for a response from Bioware on this.

[admcmei]

The evidence is undeniably compelling, I still can't believe it but I really hope you guys are right. I learned that when you WANT something to be true you should be doubly careful about not kidding yourself. And I don't know if I would appreciate it was it true. I mean, I'd feel like I payed 70€ for an incomplete product. I guess if it was free I'd be ok and maybe even admire the gimmick but if I had to pay for it I'd feel like I was just taken for a ride.

[Turbotanden]

Remember that facebook post? That fits with IT + planned DLC imo.

[Tsantilas]

Warden130 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get?

A wild theory explanation appears.

You need to open up a dictionary and look up the word "fact".  Hint: it isn't synonymous with "speculation" or "interpretation".

[MadRabbit999]

Tsantilas wrote...

Oh look it's this thread again. Good god people, which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get? "No doubt about indoctrination now..." my ass. If there is no "real ending" DLC, the Indoctrination theory is meaningless because ending the game on a dream sequence without actually fighting (defeating) the reapers, defeats the whole purpose of the game. The only way the Indoctrination theory makes sense (even if you get past the fact that it's got plenty of plot holes of it's own) is if a free patch "completes" the game... but do you really think that's going to happen?

I wonder how many times I'll have to link this until people start getting the picture:

Yes but building his legend, doesn't mean necessarily AFTER th ending.. it could mean building a legend as a "whole" which means expansions during the normal course of the game, like retake Omega station.

The kid in the ater credit video asks for one more story of shepard, and THEN you get this message... makes sense to me, that this is just another of his stories.. not "The final story".

But this is jsut speculations... I am tempted to write this in my sig, so I do not have to write it at th eend of each post...

[Warden130]

Tsantilas wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get?

A wild theory explanation appears.

You need to open up a dictionary and look up the word "fact".  Hint: it isn't synonymous with "speculation" or "interpretation".

That video contains evidence supporting the Indoctrination theory. The definition of evidence?

"The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

[Turbotanden]

Tsantilas wrote...

Warden130 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get?

A wild theory explanation appears.

You need to open up a dictionary and look up the word "fact".  Hint: it isn't synonymous with "speculation" or "interpretation".

Fact: If you choose destroy ending you can wake up on earth.
Fact: I want the rest of the ending.

[Tsantilas]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Oh look it's this thread again. Good god people, which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get? "No doubt about indoctrination now..." my ass. If there is no "real ending" DLC, the Indoctrination theory is meaningless because ending the game on a dream sequence without actually fighting (defeating) the reapers, defeats the whole purpose of the game. The only way the Indoctrination theory makes sense (even if you get past the fact that it's got plenty of plot holes of it's own) is if a free patch "completes" the game... but do you really think that's going to happen?

I wonder how many times I'll have to link this until people start getting the picture:

Yes but building his legend, doesn't mean necessarily AFTER th ending.. it could mean building a legend as a "whole" which means expansions during the normal course of the game, like retake Omega station.

The kid in the ater credit video asks for one more story of shepard, and THEN you get this message... makes sense to me, that this is just another of his stories.. not "The final story".

But this is jsut speculations... I am tempted to write this in my sig, so I do not have to write it at th eend of each post...

You missed the important part of the pop up though.  "...by ending the Reaper threat."  Those 5 words alone invalidate the whole basis of the Indoctrination theory that "it's just a dream and you wake up in london if you choose destroy".

That video contains evidence supporting the Indoctrination theory. The definition of evidence?

"The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

Yes unfortunatelly everyone seems to be misusing the word "evidence" as well, considering how the theory isn't based on evidence and facts, but rather interperetations and speculation.  Hence why it's called a "theory" and not a "proof".

Fact: If you choose destroy ending you can wake up on earth.
Fact: I want the rest of the ending.

Fact: You get a popup saying you defeated the reapers and beat the game no matter which ending you choose.

[Cucobr]

Tsantilas wrote...

Oh look it's this thread again. Good god people, which part of "there are no facts supporting the theory" do you not get? "No doubt about indoctrination now..." my ass. If there is no "real ending" DLC, the Indoctrination theory is meaningless because ending the game on a dream sequence without actually fighting (defeating) the reapers, defeats the whole purpose of the game. The only way the Indoctrination theory makes sense (even if you get past the fact that it's got plenty of plot holes of it's own) is if a free patch "completes" the game... but do you really think that's going to happen?

I wonder how many times I'll have to link this until people start getting the picture:

Ok.

Explain then this Picture.



have a nice day.

[stillnotking]

Mnementh2230 wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

The indoc people are starting to sound like creationists. Even if your theory makes internal sense, it makes no external sense at all.

Key differences:

- we know the story we're going over is fiction
- we (or at least I) understand that it's quite possible Bioware never intended this

For myself, I'm running with Indoc Theory as an internally more satisfying and "uplifting" ending than anything that obviously exists in game.

But that's a totally different thing. This is fiction, after all, and if people want to put their own interpretation on the ending, I think that's great. It's certainly an improvement over what BW wrote.

The point is exactly that it isn't what BW intended, and they aren't going to surprise us with a sooper sekrit ending. People who think that are just believing what they want to believe.

[Cucobr]

ONLY if you chose to destroy the reaper you can get this CG.

There is not room for doubts.
You dont want to see the obvious. It´s not our fault

[Tsantilas]

Cucobr wrote...

Ok.

Explain then this Picture.



have a nice day.

It's a piece of armor moving under some rubble that could be anywhere.  How does that in anyway invalidate the fact that you have defeated the reaper threat, and that the game is OVER?

edit: why do you only see if when you choose Destroy and have a high EMS score? Because Shepard DIES in all the other endings, so there is nothing to show.  Good day to you.

Modifié par Tsantilas, 21 mars 2012 - 01:31 .