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[RidiculousMammal]

  I'm always amazed at people putting their time into getting around mechanics of the game.  Can't we just play the game as it is- good or bad?  If only they substitute that effort into something more fruitful, we'd be cured of cancer and flying our next spaceship to Mars.

 

  To answer the OP though, it's not cheating.  You're not editing the files.  Morally though that's a bit foggy because you're gaining an advantage over other Mattock users.   But then again, you're already screwing yourself by using a mediocre weapon.

[capn233]

  To answer the OP though, it's not cheating.  You're not editing the files.  Morally though that's a bit foggy because you're gaining an advantage over other Mattock users.   But then again, you're already screwing yourself by using a mediocre weapon.

 

Eh, there really isn't any difference between a macro and just editing the Mattock's properties to make it automatic.  End result is the same.

[bauzabauza]

If only they substitute that effort into something more fruitful, we'd be cured of cancer and flying our next spaceship to Mars.

 

[Sinful Force]

Ah, it's no use. Just noticed that once you enter in game, the button layout changes from mouse and key to X-Box controller buttons. I thought all the X-Box buttons where mapped mouse and key buttons as it shows it to be in title screen gamepad options screen.

 

So my only hope is to find something else online, Mgamerz mod to the rescue, or find a good X-Box Turbo controller.

 

Macro for firing the Mattock is lame.  Of course there are different ways to do it than in this thread.

 

I can already maintain the Mattock firing rate and have done so many times in the past. But maintaining the higher speed of Hunter Mode or Marksman will prove to be way too much of a workout (ie. "No way." And "Word to your mom.")

 

But there is one thing that turning Mattock to auto fire will help with. Aiming. Aiming and clicking the gamepad trigger really fast at the same time slightly makes adjusting aiming a bit harder.

 

 

So yeah, other then comfort, easier aiming and being able to use it on higher fire rate kits, there's really not that much of an advantage to using auto fire for Mattock in my case. And I want all these 3 things, for truth, comfort, and justice.

 

 

 

ProTip - I used an auto fire gamepad on PS3 for the Mattock with Marksman and HunterMode before, and guess what? The PS3 can't handle it, lol. Frame loss and/or fire button inputs don't register every now and then.

[DarkOrgasm]

I always thought the Harrier was just a Mattock with a Macro attached

[PatrickBateman]

I'm always amazed at the "talented" individuals that need to cheat in order to enjoy this game.

The Mattock is clearly designed to work in a specific way, anyone claiming that an auto macro won't do any difference as they are capable of being just as effective without it as a justification for using it are obviously liars or imbeciles or possibly both

[Alfonsedode]

maybe a good way to do that is to maccro a reasonable RoF, a bit slower that what u could do for 30 sec straight.

Cause a mattock solo is enjoyable if u dont have to click 20000 times

[Alfonsedode]

jsut tested my click rate here without trying hard : https://scratch.mit....rojects/545855/

5.3 /s so i guess a maccro at 5/s could be reasonable.

But then, how wld you bind it to be practical and only for mattock style weapon?

What are the other one like the mattock ? (arc pistol discarded) 

[frank_is_crank]

jsut tested my click rate here without trying hard : https://scratch.mit....rojects/545855/

5.3 /s so i guess a maccro at 5/s could be reasonable.

 

Yay, 5,6/s for me! Although there was no enemy fire and the CLICK button was hard to miss - unlike the head of a dancing nemesis.

 

What are the other one like the mattock ? (arc pistol discarded) 

 

Hornet (?), Predator, Phalanx, Supressor (lol), Raptor. Maybe Collector Sniper Rifle?

[Catastrophy]

jsut tested my click rate here without trying hard : https://scratch.mit....rojects/545855/

5.3 /s so i guess a maccro at 5/s could be reasonable.

But then, how wld you bind it to be practical and only for mattock style weapon. 

What are the other one like the mattock ? (arc pistol discarded) 

Saber and Crusader? Lol.

[Alfonsedode]

Yay, 5,6/s for me! Although there was no enemy fire and the CLICK button was hard to miss - unlike the head of a dancing nemesis.

 

 

Hornet (?), Predator, Phalanx, Supressor (lol), Raptor. Maybe Collector Sniper Rifle?

hornet must have a max refire time ? Spraying the supressor is the better road to the void

CSR might be quite OP this way . Raptor wld still suck u guess.

So mattock, CSR, predator and phalanx (and raptor)

 

Saber and Crusader? Lol.

those 2 have a minimum refire delay

[Catastrophy]

hornet must have a max refire time ? Spraying the supressor is the better road to the void

CSR might be quite OP this way . Raptor wld still suck u guess.

So mattock, CSR, predator and phalanx (and raptor)

 

those 2 have a minimum refire delay

Mod in the hair triggers! Refire delay is an abomination unto the Lore!

[Sinful Force]

maybe a good way to do that is to maccro a reasonable RoF, a bit slower that what u could do for 30 sec straight.

Cause a mattock solo is enjoyable if u dont have to click 20000 times

 

That's how I play my old school 2D scrolling shooter for Arcade games (MAME) sometimes. I'll set the auto fire to what I can comfortably achieve for a long enough duration. As I'll binge an entire day playing these games sometimes, and I don't want my thumb to fall off;

 

ie. This guy is using a crazy in human auto fire rate in this game that is completely breaking the game. Don't be this guy, kids;

 

 

So I still fail to see how using Mattock with auto fire is cheating outside making tracking aiming and shooting at the same time a bit easier. Since I said I already can achieve Mattock and higher fire rate. Though I do notice I've never seen pugs fire the Mattock at it's max fire rate... so I can see how these pugs may see auto fire as cheating...

 

 

 

Also, one main reason I want to use auto fire for Mattock is the X-Box shoulder button triggers, Analog trigger are very terrible for fast button tapping. And I don't want to switch the fire button with the bumper button because the X-Box controller sits more comfortably in my hand with the focus on the trigger buttons. But on PS3, the default button setup is already inverse + Sony controller sits more comfortably with the focus being on the bumper buttons anyway. So on the PS3, shooting the Mattock at max fire rate comfortably with default button setup is literally no problemo. Because the buttons aren't analog, but digital. World of difference. So don't tell what is best and that I don't know what I'm talking about. I play old school games for the 1cc (coin credit) challenge. I'm not your casual today's gaming scrub here.

[TheShadyEngineer]

Heh. Reminds me of this one time I was playing with a couple of friends, one with me on teamspeak, the other not, and the one not on teamspeak had a Mattock with auto fire macro which shreked reapers like it's nobody's business. Around the end of wave 2 the friend with me on teamspeak goes "how is this guy's Mattock shooting faster than my Harrier? "

 

Good times.

 

As for whether or not it's cheating- I don't think so and even if it is, I don't care. It's possible to squeeze out the 450 rpm out of the Mattock by just clicking fast, all the macro does is it makes your finger not get as tired.

[capn233]

And I still fail to see how using Mattock with auto fire is cheating outside making tracking aiming and shooting at the same time a bit easier.

Outside of making the game easier via third party utility. Yeah hard to make a logical leap here.
 

Since I said I already can achieve Mattock and higher fire rate.

So you don't need it, but you need it.
 

Though I do notice I've never seen pugs fire the Mattock at it's max fire rate... so I can see how these pugs may see auto fire as cheating...

This shtick is played out.

[Sinful Force]

Outside of making the game easier via third party utility. Yeah hard to make a logical leap here.
 
So you don't need it, but you need it.
 
This shtick is played out.

 

Yes, because auto fire with analog buttons is pita. What don't you understand?

[Sinful Force]

Meaning yes, I play ME3mp on PC with an X-Box 360 controller. Meaning I have other disadvantages out the gate to begin with. I don't ever run with the pizza like everyone on PC. I like to play with classy gentlemen weapons and kits. Yet I'm called the cheater. Go figure.

[capn233]

Yes, because auto fire with analog buttons is pita. What don't you understand?

 

I mainly just find various lines of thought in this thread interesting.  Practically speaking, there is no difference between creating a click macro and editing the Mattock to be an automatic.  In either case you use one button press to fire multiple bullets, which is not consistent with the original design of the weapon.

 

Don't recall BW ever saying anything about macros in this game, they are impossible to police which is probably why they never bothered.

[Sinful Force]

Ok, I'm thinking maybe macro also means achieving higher then normal Mattock fire rate. All I'm taking about it an auto fire trick that maximises the Mattocks default fire rate. Because doing this to the Mattock does not make it better then the Harrier in any category (including ammo, since Mattock 10 is Harrier 1 dps, exactly, so the extra ammo gets lost on weaker dps and especially accuracy), so I fail to see how it's cheating since nobody else ever even used the Mattock to begin with and it's still an inferior Harrier (not to mention super cheap abomination weapons like Reeger, that nobody seems to have issues with using). So really, no auto fire is the only thing keeping most player from using the Mattock at all in the first place. Why I see nothing wrong with finding a solution to this. Especially since most can't tap that fast, making this weapon not worth using at all for these people. And even if you can, you have to deal with terrible X-Box 360 analog shoulder buttons.

 

So seriously, BSN, you guys need to do a better job at figuring out what's cheating and what's not. ie. Reeger is cheating. Auto fire Mattock is not. Why this is even a debate to begin with is a mystery.

[Sinful Force]

Don't recall BW ever saying anything about macros in this game, they are impossible to police which is probably why they never bothered.

 

BioWare is garbage at balancing their games. And you expect me to trust them to tell me what's cheating or not when half the weapons and kits in this game are broken?! Give me a break.

[Catastrophy]

Excuse my utter non-Englishizm, but Cheetah, wasn't that some kind of ape?