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[NReed106]

to few details. "More ME games" How does that happen without relays? Best answer I come up with is First Contact war game. Great, so now I get to fight for earth knowing that a few years down the line it will be boned no matter what I do.

It's more of the same: "We're listening, but we won't tell you if we actually plan anything new"

[Kronner]

I think it is a great message from Ray Muzyka. If they patch in text/picture based epilogue and remove/explain the Normandy escape/crash, the ending will be much better.

[Tietj]

I appreciated the statement. I do hope that clarification doesn't actually hurt the endings though. I would really like my Shepard to survive, and since my connection isn't strong enough to play multiplayer, I have to head-canon that he survives in the Destroy ending even though it's impossible for me to get the scene. Hopefully, "clarification" doesn't equal "Yep, he dead."

[alx119]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

So, more confirmation that the ending we got was what they were planning and happy with all along. It makes me wonder which game's ending they were talking about in all those interviews and whatnot prior to the game's release, and how any "Artist" can justify different endings based on choice being the same thing with different colors. That's like saying you'll write three books, but in the end all three are the same but with different fonts. I wish they'd take a moment to discuss that.

I wish to see their justification, as artist, as well. How that cluster**** of an ending passed as ok to them. Passed, as "the only possible way". 

[Foreste]

Saint Op wrote...

Xenoaroe wrote...

phototed wrote...

Xenoaroe wrote...

Guys, this really is the best you could have hoped for. Muzyka's response was sincere, and it sounds like they are hitting the ground running if they are going to give us info in April.

Mass Effect 3 was an amazing game 99% of the way through. Only the very end was a let down. Have faith in the guys that made the wonderful experience that constituted that 99%.

I was severely disappointed in the ending. I hated the Star Child Reaper King.

But, I believe in Bioware.

Same here!  

I'm glad you agree. I think optimism is the appropriate response. Bioware's responsivness is something to be appreciated, even if you don't 100% agree with them.

Truley If you disect and bash every word that anybody extends to you they will indeed write you off as a group of people that are just angry and unpleasable.
Civil discourse is a key...a lot of whats said in this thread will make them rethink attempting to do anything because nothing will be good enough short of beheading Mac and parading him through the streets...

You said that very well, and I agree.

[jspiess]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

What puzzles me is the "Balance between artistic integrity and fan responses"

If anything, the fan response strives to restore the artistic integrity - by asking for an ending that isn't so utterly divorced from the rest of the lore.
How can they still not see that?

just dropped some knowledge

[Feixeno]

I was disappointed by the response myself. I'm really disturbed by the whole "Keeping the artistic integrity" comment.

[Rafe Sendron]

I'm not buying this either. He hides behind "artistic integrity" shortly after saying the Mass Effect franchise is founded on player choice. What a joke. And Bioware continues to downplay this by referring to the ending hate as coming from just "some" of the most loyal fans. Please. I realize we will never hear them admit they didn't deliver on their pre-release promises, but the PR downplay is getting ridiculous.

[PeterG1]

Pharae wrote...

Arthorius wrote...

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's what I feared. They're gonna 'explain' why Joker was fleeing in the middle of the battle and why Ventkid's nonsense make sense. But they won't change or add a thing.

Seconding this. I am now more wary than ever before. I am not going to prematurely call this a victory. Don't count your chickens til they hatch.

I know where you're coming from, I feel a similar way but I'm not pessimistic about his statement. I mentioned this in another thread but when I beat the game last Wednesday, I was in the camp that thought the ending(s) was beautiful and emotionally rocking. I was knocked down and spellbound. But I will absolutely pay for and play any additional endings that become offered, particularly if I get an opportunity, in game to and interact with my crew, with Hackett, Sanders, etc, post-war.

Will I pay for some additional cutscenes in order to get an epilogue and closure in the form of a narrative movie? I mean the impression I get from Muzyka is that's what they're crafting (though I also believe that everything, including alternate endings, are still on the table). Yes, I'll do that too. But as I said, like many of you, I'd still love to interact with additional endings and would love to play "my Shepard" post-reaper war.

[nevar00]

Kronner wrote...

I think it is a great message from Ray Muzyka. If they patch in text/picture based epilogue and remove/explain the Normandy escape/crash, the ending will be much better.

We're still left with 3 different-colored endings that are not changed by our decisions (which are also rendered pointless) and a mass of plot holes, even discounting the whole Normandy scene.  Not to mention the Starkid is literally the definition of a deus ex machina...

[alx119]

NReed106 wrote...

to few details. "More ME games" How does that happen without relays? Best answer I come up with is First Contact war game. Great, so now I get to fight for earth knowing that a few years down the line it will be boned no matter what I do.

It's more of the same: "We're listening, but we won't tell you if we actually plan anything new"

Honestly? It feels more like a: "We're listening, but we don't care, cause as artist we are backed by our critics and we can do whatever we want, suck it up"

[effortname]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

What puzzles me is the "Balance between artistic integrity and fan responses"

If anything, the fan response strives to restore the artistic integrity - by asking for an ending that isn't so utterly divorced from the rest of the lore.
How can they still not see that?

[IanPolaris]

phototed wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Seeing how this pans out.

We should have gotten this ten days ago.  Colour me unimpressed.

-Polaris

[paynesgrey]

He's talking as though people who didn't like the ending simply don't understand it.  "We'll provide more clarity" is like a 5 year old telling a joke and then explaining why you should laugh.  We aren't having promblems understanding the ending.  We just don't like it because it is of such low quality compared to the rest of the franchise, because it flushes away in one swirl all of the choices and achievements we made through the course of 3 games.

The problem is not "lack of clarity" in regards to the ending.

The problem is it's lack of quality.

[Trentest0]

Whislt I appreciate much of the response we've been getting....

It's becoming clear that 'we're listening and concerned about your feedback' means that they won't be changing the ending and are simply looking for feedback on future DLC and games. Which sucks...

[goofyomnivore]

Happy to see him say something. Didn't say much, but something is better than nothing. PAX got a lot more interesting for sure. I bet they the love this post. Their attendance/web-ad/whatever numbers oughta spike up.

[Melancholic]

This does leave me confused considering Michael Gamble's tweet that says people would react differently (to the ending) if they knew what was coming, Jessica Merizan's "Hang in there!" (in regards to hating the ending) and a whole bunch of other tweets that are beacons of hope. Gamble's tweet was in the first couple of days, long before the scope of this fan anger became clear. I also can't imagine it having been about anything other than the endings, considering it's virtually the only thing people are vocally upset about.

[Sinner8056]

I was hoping for an apology. What I got was a grudging "Well I guess we'll just have to explain the ending some more, since you obviously don't grasp our artistic vision."

[Eain]

I'm seriously confused at his answer to be honest. Everything he says indicates that the team never saw this coming at all, and that they genuinely believe the ending was good.

I just don't get it. You cannot believe this ending is good, because it's not. It's a plot invalidating, plothole spawning, choice nullifying sequence of foolishness that contributes absolutely nothing to the franchise.

How can they genuinely believe that a game with around 75% autodialogue and so many gaps in its story is the best game they've produced to date? In gameplay terms, yes, I'll agree that it is. The game plays exceptionally well and multiplayer is fun. But as far as story goes this is arguablly the LEAST impressive RPG they've ever made. It's just very, very sloppily written. I don't get how they don't see that.

Far greater still are the implications of this fiasco on professional reviewing. How can I take the ratings ME3 got serious as an argument when the ending is so mindnumbingly bad that anyone capable of rudimentary logic should be able to pick up on its flaws? All of these people giving the game perfect scores did so before finishing it, and did so with a fat cheque in their wallet. Why do these official responses continually expect us to fall for that?

Modifié par Eain, 21 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Arppis]

That's a pretty good and level-headed response, imo.

I think the Normandy part in the ending needs more explonation or should just be replaced with something else. How about earth 500 years later picture? Would that be too Final Fantasy 7?

[Maxwell Adams]

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.

This just sounds like the rewritten ending will be spread out over multiple DLC releases.  Want the true, complete ending?  Buy ALL the DLC.

[Neophoenix 78]

paynesgrey wrote...

He's talking as though people who didn't like the ending simply don't understand it.  "We'll provide more clarity" is like a 5 year old telling a joke and then explaining why you should laugh.  We aren't having promblems understanding the ending.  We just don't like it because it is of such low quality compared to the rest of the franchise, because it flushes away in one swirl all of the choices and achievements we made through the course of 3 games.

The problem is not "lack of clarity" in regards to the ending.

The problem is it's lack of quality.

Sounds like someone else who made a RPG game a while back that was supposed to be a trilogy. When the game flopped it was citied that the problem wasn't the work itself. It was that people did not understand the artistic direction they chose to go with. But then again they are writers and mistakes happen. We are all Too Human.

[Moariar]

taikasieni90 wrote...

Hope lives on

Wrong.

Hope Rides Alone, mankind is doomed.


Glad to see Bioware is just dragging this out some more, making us wait longer to try and weaken people's resolve. If the announcement does turn out to just be more pay for DLC, I will just stop buying Bioware products. After DA2 and the fallout of ME3, I don't think I want to invest myself in anything this company makes ever again. When you make a product for a consumer, you accept their feedback; when enough of them have the same problem, you fix it. Your product may be 'art,' but you will not be the first artist to change your art at the behest of your patron. Otherwise, enjoy making 'art' in the street, with nothing but your integrity to eat, if you want to continue that allegory.

Not that it matters; Bioware and EA made plenty of money, and they're happy. Major Game "Journalists" recieved their review copies and gifts, and they're happy; no way will they shoot that review copy pooch. That just leaves a bunch of consumers who believed they were 'entitled' to the product promised and purchased, being berated by everyone about being whiners and worse, even by sites that once stood by gamers.

Well if anything, thank you, Bioware. I will no longer preorder a game, or buy a game on release day; I will wait for the real reviews to come out days or even weeks afterwards, from journalists who have nothing to lose by being honest. This will go double for your products. Thanks for the lesson.

[lex0r11]

wait a minute...

the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3

is it just me or is it full of PR again?
i'm more confused then before.

Modifié par lex0r11, 21 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[anlk92]

Kronner wrote...

I think it is a great message from Ray Muzyka. If they patch in text/picture based epilogue and remove/explain the Normandy escape/crash, the ending will be much better.

They should remove it. I have not seen a single person who thought it was a good idea even if they liked the ending overall. 

And people should be reasonable about this. Of course he's going to state that the game got positive reviews from critics etc. You can't expect him to come up and say "Yeah we messed up so badly that we ended up alienating 90% of our fanbase, you should stay away from this game".