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[leianajade]

REMEMBER THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

The best thing, really truly, that you can do right now, is to go give bioware the polite, constructive feedback that they say they want.

[ChannelDelibird]

It's nice to see that BioWare are taking this seriously and working on improving things but it's really difficult to understand that the ending as it stands was seen as a fitting end to a really excellent series. The post seems to be framed around expanding on the ending - "explaining" it - but I can't see a way to do only that without still forcing Shepard to betray his own character by accepting any of the choices offered to him at the end. There is simply too much that doesn't make sense about the final sequence of the game for me to realistically see myself accepting it, but if they really can't do any more than expand upon it, then the absolute bare minimum that needs to happen is for Shepard to be able to tell the Star Child to sod off and simply trust in the fleet to do their best while ignoring all of the ridiculous options offered to him.

I guess we'll wait and see, but keep hoping and keep the pressure on. Thanks for talking about it some more, BioWare.

[Deklan_Caine]

l0wn3r wrote...

75 critics > 40,000 loyal fans

at least we know where we stand at bioware.good luck getting money for your 75 critics.

75 Crittics > 49,561 fans actually, (according to the Facebook group, and that's just the Facebook group)

How ya like them odds?

[alx119]

The more I think about it the more moronic it seems... How could have they thought the majority, especially the core fans, would like the actual endings. I see why some would like it, and hell good for them, I'm glad the game met their expectations. But if you put a little thought into it, it's not HARD at all to see why it could cause discontent towards the fanbase.

Hell the whole idea of the sacrifice of Shepard and how he "must" die comes out as wrong to most of us, who have seen him come out of the rubble of a crashing Reaper, and who saw how he jumped into the abyss to claw his way up to the Normandy like a triumphant hero.

I say, you don't need to be a genius to see that a little variation is what the fans were expecting. In fact I think they sinned of "wits", they tried to be so clever and symbolic in a cool way that they failed miserably. And hell, I think many companies have made that mistake some way or another, acknowledging it only humbles you towards the played, making him not lose all the hope and trust in you.

Modifié par alx119, 21 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Scotch42]

This post does nothing to change how I feel about the game or the endings, but I'm fine with waiting a couple weeks to decide whether I'll purchase their future products.

[Ashilana]

cellotlix wrote...

For some reason, I'm no longer very optimistic. I'd describe my reaction to this "wait for April' directive as 'cautious'. 'Wary', even.

I agree.  The tone of his response was so tepid, so fearful of the fans reaction so far... that I suspect the best we will get is something to "appease the fans" instead of something to "fix the problems".

[Wattoes]

Does anyone else get horribly depressed every time we read that Bioware actually thought the endings didn't suck?

Also they should stop being so condescending towards the fanbase. Initially I was just angry about the endings. Over the past week ive genuinely started disliking Bioware. These awful PR posts aren't making any friends.  They are just adding to the fire.

I guess well get a final answer in April. In all likelihood one that will drive us crazy again.

Modifié par Wattoes, 21 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[Tony Redgrave]

alx119 wrote...

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Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

What? ...
If I get my work criticized, my first instinct is to see where could I have failed. If the critic is valid, I have no other than accept it and concede. If not, I would defend it.

There is no way they can just accept the endings as positive and well put out. If they found it somewhat good? That's cool with me. But they have to be very shortsighted to not see the problems WE see in them.

And hell, since when the opinion of a couple of critics, who you probably paid anyways, is better than that of a WHOLE fanbase? I personally would prefer the former, since it's a way varied number of individuals that are actual FANS of my work and aren't just doing their job but actually giving their hearts and brains to give me feedback.

Harbinger finish please:
THIS HURTS ME.

+1. Got nothing more to add.

[PSUHammer]

PKchu wrote...

Anyone else feel happy?

I feel happy.

I think it was a good responce from Dr. Ray.  Some people will irrationally bash anything he would have said, but he seemed humbled yet realistic in his views.  I agree that some people need to be more civil.  They could just NOT respond at all and start work on the next game.

[alx119]

Spaz85 wrote...

alx119 wrote...

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Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

What? ...
If I get my work criticized, my first instinct is to see where could I have failed. If the critic is valid, I have no other than accept it and concede. If not, I would defend it.

There is no way they can just accept the endings as positive and well put out. If they found it somewhat good? That's cool with me. But they have to be very shortsighted to not see the problems WE see in them.

And hell, since when the opinion of a couple of critics, who you probably paid anyways, is better than that of a WHOLE fanbase? I personally would prefer the former, since it's a way varied number of individuals that are actual FANS of my work and aren't just doing their job but actually giving their hearts and brains to give me feedback.

Harbinger finish please:
THIS HURTS ME.

+1. Got nothing more to add.

And I'll just add, that you should not accept the criticism and feedback of your fans OUT OF RESPECT, but because it's a rational thing to do, what you must do, all the time, if you aim for the so called improvement. 

[pablosplinter]

rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

No it won't

[Mezantine]

Deklan_Caine wrote...

Mezantine wrote...

I kinda think this apology is mostly to get the core fan based settled so they'll be able to sell DLC to them to expand the multi-player. With people returning their games to amazon and origin maybe their projections for profits from it are becoming a lot smaller.

Honestly, I think that's EXACTLY what happened. The news only broke about 24 hours ago that many retailers were accepting returns. Isn't it interesting that it's NOW we hear from one of the "big cahunas" at Bioware? They're silent  until people start returning the game; then all of the sudden it's important enough to make an official announcement about. I want desperately to take this as a beacon of hope, but the reasonable person inside of me sees it as a business ploy.

Sad.

I think i might be stating the obvious here but i really believe EA & Bioware were expecting this to be a continual strong earner until another Mass Effect Triology begins. However it's now starting to appear that their core fans (the ones most likely to get addicted to the multi-player) are returning their games and not playing online, which most likely scares them because they are losing a big market for continual releases of multi-player DLC.

[Neophoenix 78]

RULost119 wrote...

Remember, he does still have to answer to EA and still does have to keep the loyalty of the people he works with. He couldn't exactly come out and say "Yeah, I thought it sucked too."

What about the thousands of fans who purchased this game which give their company capital and allows them to make another game thus giving them paychecks? What about our loyalty? I would have rather have seen a admission of guilt. 1 Because they tried to trick everyone with the Idoctrination Theory or 2 Because it was just a flop of an ending. At this point it is either of those two options. Yet he comments how they do not want to ruin the artistic intrepreation. Sounds like Too Human

Honestly after DA2 this is bad news for me personally. DA2 has 2 DLC how much did DA:O have? DA2 DLC has been cancelled. Now with this issue going on with ME3. And the best we get is.. Well we will look into it. As someone who has purchased all 3 ME games all 2 DA games and all 2 KOTOR games I say what about my loyalty. ME1 and DA1 were the best in their series in my opinion. They were truly RPGS. They have now turned from an RPG with shooter qualties to a Shooter with RPG qualities and an RPG with strategy and minimal hack and slash to a hack and slash with minimal RPG. This is what happens when you try to please everyone at once. Things crumble horribly.

If they were honest that this was botched badly I would at least give them points for honesty and having the guts to stand by their product and say we will try our best to fix this.Might have even stuck around to see how it turned out. Halfway though ME3 I regretted not getting ME2 DLC. I was going to finish my ME3 and then go purchase ME2 DLC and restart ME3 after that. But that is just a waste of my money and time. And that was before that horrible attempt at a clarification or an apology.  But that was a complete PR speech in an attempt to not have everything crash around them. HOLD THE BOTTOM LINE.

Modifié par Neophoenix 78, 21 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[auuus]

I actually feel sorry for them.
Don't get me wrong, I really hated the ending with the lack of closure, the lack of choices and the way there weren't any real difference between them. But I don't care much for some people's attitudes. There's no reason to hurl curses or insults. Luckily; most of the answers I've read at least here has been polite and constructive. So, way to go, internet! =)
Other than that, I felt as if he sort of missed the point in a way. Most people aren't saying they hated the game, they're saying that they hated the ending but loved the rest. In my opinion, ME3 deserved all those high ratings, it was a fantastic experience, but the ending sucked a lot of those good feelings away. I don't really want to play it, or the first two, again, since the ending feels as if none of my choices and me caring matters. An epic game deserves an epic ending, and Mass Effect have always been an epic, a space-opera, a fairytale in space. I don't mind games making philosophical, nihilistic points, BUT I don't think that Mass Effect is the right media for that. Not after five years of caring and love from both the creators and the players. Having it end like this only makes you feel cheated. Mass Effect doesn't need something like that to "get to you"; it already does, more than any other game.

[Necroscope]

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.

Wonder what kind of "game content initiatives" is dr. talking about. Hope it's nothing like "The Final Hours"...

Modifié par Necroscope, 21 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[alx119]

Wattoes wrote...

Does anyone else get horribly depressed every time we read that Bioware actually thought the endings didn't suck?

Also they should stop being so condescending towards the fanbase. Initially I was just angry about the endings. Over the past week ive genuinely started disliking Bioware. These awful PR posts aren't making any friends.  They are just adding to the fire.

I guess well get a final answer in April. In all likelihood one that will drive us crazy again.

Me. Bioware trully is the Reapers, I cannot even begin to comprehend them. I am incapable of understanding their reasons (mainly because they have given none other than 75 critics said so). 

[tucsondoug]

More PR doublespeak. He sounds as if he's trying to convince us that ending DLC is coming, while not promising anything specific or concrete. They're still trying to marginalize the retake movement, and paint us as trolls or brats with that bit about the destructive rather than constructive criticism. I just see them circling the wagons with the same tired 'but it's ART!!' card.

Still, this might be seen as a minor victory for the retake movement. We've shaken the upper echelons of the company, and put them on the defensive. If they are compelled to get into the fight, we are making progress. Keep holding the line, comrades.

[captainbob8383]

Bioware please, create a simple official poll:
"Do you like ME3 ending? Yes / No"
End of story.It's that simple.

It's getting really really insulting and upsetting being look down upon as an angry minority.
You'll have an upleasant wake up.

[Kyrick]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

Mezantine wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Mezantine wrote...

I kinda think this apology is mostly to get the core fan based settled so they'll be able to sell DLC to them to expand the multi-player. With people returning their games to amazon and origin maybe their projections for profits from it are becoming a lot smaller.

Well that won't work on me for one.

I appreciate them coming out with something more substantial, and I'm not about to return my game, but I'm also not interested in non-ending DLC whatsoever until the ending debacle is indeed fixed, soft words or not. It's not even a "stand" on my part, I'm simply not interested, there's no purpose in it.

Agreed, i'm guessing that any DLC announcement at PAX is going to be about expanding the multiplayer (new races, missions etc) so i'm going to give my $10 to chuld's play instead. Still if they do come out and say they will be working on a extension to conclude the story i'll be 1000x more happier.
 

If pax turns out be a multiplayer dlc love fest then all hope is truly lost.

I suspect that it'll be a multiplayer thing as well, with them saying that "More is coming.  We're listening!" to see if they can get people to buy the multiplayer DLC stuff.

Essentially this statement from Muzyka has stomped out any hope of being recognized by Bioware for our beefs with the endings.  They've essentially said that we don't matter whatsoever; that critics matter more, and that people speaking out are a small group of people that they will be cracking down on now to prevent further damage to their game's and studio's reputation and value.

[Tonymac]

I should have expected Ray to defend rather than listen. Its funny how everyone with a tie cares more about profits that quality products.

[uDoh]

And where have the fans been "become destructive rather than constructive." All we are asking for is some closure to one of the most loved games ever made?

HOLD THE LINE

[Tietj]

Guys, please. This is pretty much exactly the response we've been asking for. He came across as humble and promised that something would be done, and even gave a time frame. If you're truly looking for an apology, you won't get one. So take this, it's a gift.

[Chumasaurus]

This whole post reads as very humbling but I'm not entirely convinced. We are still being responded to as both the minority and angry kids playing with their toys. I am really ready to see something that stops considering us in a dismissive fashion, which is exactly what this feels like (once again). I know this sounds really whiny, but seriously, stop noting us as a minority and don't tell us we're being angry and destructive when this is content that you pushed forward. As always, my question still remains, "What the heck design decisions led to these endings?"

Modifié par Chumasaurus, 21 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[Maike91]

pablosplinter wrote...

rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

No it won't

Oh it will. With the Omega DLC 

[jimmyw404]

"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received."

Artistic integrity of the original story's ending: