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[martiancake]

Building on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on
this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between
the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan
feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to
continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest
assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will,
continue.

(emphasis mine)

Hmmm... I would just say this: if an artist has to stand next to their work and hand out info sheets on what it means and why many (many) people misinterpret it, then that artist has failed in their artistic expression.

However, the post as a whole has me ... cautiously optimistic?

Modifié par Paper Cake, 21 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Just because they're released this, doesn't mean they are promising us answers to the real issues. Keep the pressure upo and hold the line!

[Drakonis63]

I don't believe they will change anything about the ending. They have made lots of money, the professional critics like it so why change the ending.

I do however think they are using this time to come up with ideas on how the ending does make sense and "explain" it to us. I get the impression that they believe those who do not like the ending just don't understand it and just need more clarity.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Love how he uses "some fans" to describe us but "most fans" to describe people who like the endings. Has he not seen many of the polls that are out there? Even the ones on the game media sites? Sounds to me like no ending is coming. They keep pointing to the critics who give them high scores, but most of the critics didn't play from 1-3 and therefore don't care that the endings were lacking. Not to mention, did they honestly think that having the ayers crew stranded on some random planet wouldn't make the players angry? Wow.


-Polite

[goose2989]

Remain skeptical, people. This is far from over. While we were addressed in this announcement, Bioware is still standing firm behind their own decisions. We were also indirectly referred to as a minority of fans.

Keep on going with all the Facebook posts, Tweets, and everything in-between

[Bane]

That's a perfectly fine statement by the good doctor and I'm glad to hear it.

The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us.

Except for that little bit there. Genuine surprise? I'm genuinely surprised at their genuine surprise to say the least.

Modifié par Bane_v2, 21 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[Snake Liquid]

I would be satisfied even if it was just a cutscene showing how our decisions impacted the galaxy and what really happens to our crew.

Based on the end of the game, I saw my team flee and crash on some unknown world and watched as Joker and Ashley stepped off. Do they understand what has happened? Do they know the war is over? As my love interest, does Ashley realize I just died to save the galaxy and does she even care?

Regardless, I'm satisfied with this response for now. I'll be eagerly looking to April for more answer as other gamers finish the game and put in their 2 cents.

[alx119]

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it.  The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.

 
Has this guy played his own game?! It's precisely because of that range of emotions it provokes to those invested emotionally in the series why the NULLIFYING OF EVERYTHING ending ruins it all! 
How can THAT ending have genuinely surprised you!? You thought that the image of a pure innocent child was enough to be qualified as sublime touchy art?! And that making it a godlike creature that forces you to choose between three colors of pretty much doom and destruction, with a portion of your own dead, in the last 5 minutes of the titles was the artistic apex of this series!? HOW ---- ughhhhhhh 

This is really pissing me off, is like they are just mocking us. I don't -believe- none of the developers, creators, people involved in this game had any problem with the bs of endings we got. I just can't believe it. I think many are as deceived as us, but can't talk because they'd lose their jobs otherwise. 

God damn it. 

[Theb82]

I cant help but wonder if the Bioware big shots like Ray Muzyka actually played and completed the game.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

HAHA! The bullet to the indoc theories head! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS DAY!

I have the feeling people will just keep on believing it anyway.

[Gibb_Shepard]

What does he mean by "content initiatives"?

[Kanon777]

DocStone wrote...

Arthorius wrote...

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's what I feared. They're gonna 'explain' why Joker was fleeing in the middle of the battle and why Ventkid's nonsense make sense. But they won't change or add a thing.

That's the way I read it also. No mention of change, no mention of mistakes, just "answers to questions" and further "clarity and closure". 

That statement has filled me with sadness, we are not going to get a new ending, we are just going to get the original one explained and expanded upon. 

People main complain is that the ending offer no closure or many hings are not explained. They will fix that, just because you dont get a new ending dosent mean they wont solve many of the problem people see with it.

[iTofu]

Syokhan wrote...

Arthorius wrote...

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's what I feared. They're gonna 'explain' why Joker was fleeing in the middle of the battle and why Ventkid's nonsense make sense. But they won't change or add a thing.

That's also what I thought when I read that sentence. Clarification re: the fate of the characters/possibly the galaxy/the kid's weird logic, but with the same endings.

That's what I read too.

[flexxdk]

Actions speak louder than words.

[Vovea]

tobito113 wrote...

Vovea wrote...

I liked it until "most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s". I understand that he's proud of this but the majority of critics aren't the majority of people.

At least some news has been released. News is cool.

Yeah because only critics think the rest of the game was good... No one in the forums thinks the rest of the game was good. Smart as usual BSN

I'm glad you liked it as well. In my opinion, from people I've talked to such as friends and family, people on boards, etc, they don't think its perfect, neither do I. Sorry.

Modifié par Vovea, 21 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[cellotlix]

I'm a writer. An amateur one, sure, but still a writer. I'm in the process of writing a novel and let me tell you; when my editor comes to me with criticism or a problem with something in the manuscript, my first reaction is not to defend my work and discount him. My first reaction is to listen to what he says. My second is to start working on a way to make it better.

I listen to my editor because I respect him. He's a smart guy and a fantastic editor, and he knows what he's talking about. The fact that Bioware's first reaction is to defend against the negativity and cling to positive reviews is problematic. It makes me wonder just how they see the people who buy their games.

I don't know. I've been a fan of Bioware for years, since Neverwinter Nights. I understand the situation they're in right now; they don't want to throw their writers under the bus, so to speak. But I wish they would also shy away from the other side; discounting the people who buy their games and support them.

[kyrieee]

majormajormmajor wrote...

He's trying to defend the "artistic integrity" of the ending.

Unacceptable.

people like you...

[FKA_Servo]

I think this reinforces the fact that this was *all* intended right from the start. They foresaw a reaction - but not necessarily this reaction. Either way, a definitive, conclusive end is coming. PAX East - a month to the day after the NA release - is the logical time to announce this.

EA is playing nice by supporting Bioware and offering refunds and going along with this stunt. Taking the long view, I think that this will generate some goodwill and (insanely enough) some artistic cred in doing so. Either way, the game racks up a ton of free publicity. EA is a monster - they can afford to take a risk, here.

Ditto for Bioware, if this ends up being true. In the short term, this seems awful - but in the long term, I think that the majority of their fans will be impressed with their dedication to the story and to crafting a metanarrative that totally fools the majority of their audience. I will certainly be impressed if this is the case.

For now, I'm still optimistic.

Modifié par TommyServo, 21 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[Killer3000ad]

Call it art if you want, but then the endings are bad art.

[Fiannawolf]

Good first step everyone Keep up the good work. Hold the Line!

[The Angry One]

They go on about their hard work and how proud they are of ME3 and how much it hurts blah blah blah.
Yeah well, if Mac Walters hadn't decided to make some hipster arthouse statement with the grand finale, we'd be heaping them with praise. They should just consider that before wondering why we react like this.

[TheGunslinger]

alx119 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it.  The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.

 
Has this guy played his own game?! It's precisely because of that range of emotions it provokes to those invested emotionally in the series why the NULLIFYING OF EVERYTHING ending ruins it all! 
How can THAT ending have genuinely surprised you!? You thought that the image of a pure innocent child was enough to be qualified as sublime touchy art?! And that making it a godlike creature that forces you to choose between three colors of pretty much doom and destruction, with a portion of your own dead, in the last 5 minutes of the titles was the artistic apex of this series!? HOW ---- ughhhhhhh 

This is really pissing me off, is like they are just mocking us. I don't -believe- none of the developers, creators, people involved in this game had any problem with the bs of endings we got. I just can't believe it. I think many are as deceived as us, but can't talk because they'd lose their jobs otherwise. 

God damn it. 

This sums up how I feel, too. <_<

[Kanon777]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Love how he uses "some fans" to describe us but "most fans" to describe people who like the endings. Has he not seen many of the polls that are out there? Even the ones on the game media sites? Sounds to me like no ending is coming. They keep pointing to the critics who give them high scores, but most of the critics didn't play from 1-3 and therefore don't care that the endings were lacking. Not to mention, did they honestly think that having the ayers crew stranded on some random planet wouldn't make the players angry? Wow.


-Polite

Most fans liked most of the game. Thats the sentiment here on BSN, right? 

[Taleroth]

This actually kills my optimism. Clarity and closure are an issue. But as far as I got from that, they're the only issues they care about.

Here's my issue. This is the same guy who said

“When you deliver a game, and you deliver it for a player, you have to capture what they think is the possibility space. You need to let them do everything they think they should do, and you can’t block them from doing anything they think they should be able to do. You have to nail all the features and content that should be in that possibility space.“

Mass Effect 3's endings are in violation of that. Among other things.

Modifié par Taleroth, 21 mars 2012 - 03:28 .