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[Hobbs1975]

I think this means there is going to be some tack on DA:O style cards that try and patch details but that the ending will remain largely unchanged. That's something, I guess.

They still believe it's a tiny amount of people who dislike the endings and they still think they're going to continue making tons of cash off the property.

[wh00ley 06]

'Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.'

Then...

'However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s.'

[Stygian1]

Sounds like we still get our BS endings, thanks BioWare! You sure know how to listen........

[abch4]

Those statements are nothing but respectful to the fans, and to be fair to them they have addressed us well, decisions are never made in heat of the moment and rightly so, we need to wait and see what happens before drawing conclusions.

BTW does the majority of this forum have a degree in PR/Marketing?

[DoctorEss]

Sounds a lot like "Lol guys, critics liked it, so therefore it's good. Don't know why you guys don't like it, but, we're "listening"."  Sorry, pal.  Paying IGN and the like for reviews doesn't mean it's an honest review.  You did that with Dragon Age 2, got a bunch of 90+ reviews, and it still bombed.  Why?  Paid reviews won't fool gamers.  Or, to use an analogy:  Buying a report card with all A's on it doesn't mean you're actually smart.

Yeah, way to say a lot without saying much at all, really. I'm not impressed.

I find it funny he says: "Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it. "

I mean, really? How could you not predict how people would react, when you TOOK THAT PLAYER CONTROL AWAY.  We have NO HAND IN THE ENDING.  None of our choices matter.  AT ALL.  It all comes down to picking A, B, or C.  Exactly what we were told WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

We were given an ending that MAKES NO SENSE. Teleporting squadmates. People acting totally out of character, space magic, and pick a color and get the same ending anyway. Plot holes abound.

If he thinks this is the best work they've ever created (ME3), then I'm never buying another Bioware game again, because it's all downhill from here.

Modifié par DoctorEss, 21 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[Hicks233]

Communication is good.

Responding civilly though. There are evidently a large number of disappointed customers who feel that the product they bought is flawed compared to its advertised description and promotion.

Artistic integrity is nice. Would rather have a product that functions as advertised however.

100% agree that vitriolic attacks on individuals uncalled for and inappropriate. Discussion has largely been civil if passionate. Reactions of individuals and certain media outlets will hopefully not be forgotten.

Short way of putting it. We're vocal because we care. I agree that the rest of the game bar some quibbles with some game mechanics, the journal, issues with imports need attention but it is a genuine achievement that I hope all involved in making it are proud of.

Look forward to this issue being revolved to the satisfaction of the customers and being able to say wholeheartedly to others. This is a product including its previous two entries that is worth purchasing and supporting. Until that resolution is provided.

Hold the Line – With civility

[jspiess]

DemonCommander wrote...

Indoc theory is dead then, at least as a predictor of future DLC. They clearly never meant to build on this line of speculation; it wasn't some crazy marketing stunt. It is just a really confused and muddled ending, which contains traces of other sidelined endings. Shame.

Perhaps whatever they release in April will at least provide closure for some of the characters.

I just wish somebody would address the blatant plot holes instead of saying that the studio is proud of their work. It's insulting to everyone for them to say that they think they did a good job.

[Evil_medved]

Regular ass cryptic bioware bull****, leads us nowhere and gives us nothing.

[Nykara]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

HAHA! The bullet to the indoc theories head! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS DAY!

I have the feeling people will just keep on believing it anyway.

Yep because nothing in that post changes anything. Once again it is very cleverly written to not give away a thing. They could simply be finishing off the true ending as they always intended to do. The 'most' fans could include those who believe in alternative theories and that bioware was / is infact planing something all along.

And I could keep going and pulling it apart but there is really no point. That article still says nothing either way and people will still believe what they want to until such time as we all really know whats going on in April.

Hold the line.

[Zardoc]

tobito113 wrote...

DocStone wrote...

Arthorius wrote...

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's what I feared. They're gonna 'explain' why Joker was fleeing in the middle of the battle and why Ventkid's nonsense make sense. But they won't change or add a thing.

That's the way I read it also. No mention of change, no mention of mistakes, just "answers to questions" and further "clarity and closure". 

That statement has filled me with sadness, we are not going to get a new ending, we are just going to get the original one explained and expanded upon. 

People main complain is that the ending offer no closure or many hings are not explained. They will fix that, just because you dont get a new ending dosent mean they wont solve many of the problem people see with it.

I'd like to know how they "explain" the endings without massive use of space magic and retconning.

[raving rabbid]

coming in april..... MASS EFFECT III pt.2!!!

[Kanon777]

Davian1980 wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Am I the only one that reads that and thinks he's largely dismissive of everyone against the ending? He spends more time dancing around the issue and refuses to acknowledge any type of mistake on Bioware's part.

No youre not, the rest of the Hold the Line movement is acting just as stupid as you are

And there we go with the insults again.

Yeah because he is being dismissive of you by talking about people who didnt like the endings and saying they will give more information in the future. The hatred for anything Bioware say on these forums is absolutely appaling...

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What does he mean by "content initiatives"?

I think he wants us to speculate.

[-Area51-Silent]

I sort of figured that the ending they provided was exactly as they saw it...it also makes me question and be more cautious of further game releases from Bioware. If they believe that the ending of that game was consistent with the rest of the series they are sorely mistaken. While it may have been artfully done, it was meant for a single stand alone game, you can't hide behind the "artistic" argument for everything.

Also, if something doesn't flow organically ( no pun intended) then its not artistic. This was really taken over the top, and pushes the boundaries of what is acceptable. Its fine if you want to call it art, we may then differ on what we consider art and crap, that being said I simply won't buy your "art" because it doesn't suit my taste.

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

This actually kills my optimism. Clarity and closure are an issue. But as far as I got from that, they're the only issues they care about.

Me and Bioware are going to have to disagree on the other concerns.

Then we need to keep drilling the point home.
The last thing we need is some half-assed explanation for why Shepard gave up and why Joker is a coward.
No, these have no justifications.

[Stonesoundjam]

HE'S DEAD, JIM.

[Elite Midget]

Let's see if Bioware ends up being sincere...

[The5Virtues]

Reading his statement does nothing to reaffirm my faith in the company. When you cut away the PR fluff terminology it really just sounds like he's saying "We'll try and pave over a few plot holes so the finish line doesn't tear up your suspension (of belief) quite as much as it did the first time."

Realistically I know they're not going to go an redo the entire ending sequence, it's just not fiscally feasible, but that's the only thing I can think of to actually fix the issues with the game's story. It's not issues leading up to the ending that make the game suffer, it's
the ending itself and its total lack of cohesion, sense, and logic.
At this point I'd really like to just hear a "We're sorry we disappointed so many of you, we'll try harder in the future" because I can't think of any patch to the game that would make it better.

Modifié par The5Virtues, 21 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[The Angry One]

tobito113 wrote...

Yeah because he is being dismissive of you by talking about people who didnt like the endings and saying they will give more information in the future. The hatred for anything Bioware say on these forums is absolutely appaling...

Don't feed this troll people, just ignore and move on.

[Thaa_solon]

raving rabbid wrote...

coming in april..... MASS EFFECT III pt.2!!!

OMG no

[Dap Brannigan]

So the indoctrination theory isn't true? The endings are to be accepted at face value?

Ugh, that's awful. What the hell, Bioware.

[Geralt of Relays]

Yep they are listening........

"comments are closed"

That didn't last long.....

[Beatrix Tair]

I don't think it says enough, honestly.

It doesn't sound like the endings are going to be changed or fixed in any way what so ever. Just that they're gonna try their very, very best to justify putting a different colour tag on one ending, the hilarity of the A/B/C system, the lack of sense presented & the utter destruction of the Mass Relays & thus, the possible continuation of the universe as we know it.

Not hopeful, honestly.

[Grasich]

ChampDude wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

This is the paragraph I am most interested in. Whatever we're doing guys, keep doing it. It seems to be working. Remain respectful of the work that was given to us, but continue giving constructive criticism. We could win this yet

This does seem to be the key paragraph here. Though I'm a little worried that he's hinting that all they're going to do is put in an epilogue.

Well, guess we just need to keep

Holding the line.

[alx119]

Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

How exactly am I supposed to do that?! You are basically defending your own piece of crap with the first statement, and pissing on the fans by saying "BUT THE CRITICS SAID".

I believe you can do good games, yes, I do.

But, trust? Trust is something easy to loose, and VERY hard to recover. And I think you have lost a lot of trust from your fans. So, I'm sorry, but no, I can't trust you, nor your team with the statement that you made. After the lies, and such a horrible heart breaking (not artistically, nor story wise) ending that ruined an entire series that you are DEFENDING, and even saying "HOW CAN IT BEEEEE?!". It just feels insulting.

No trust, do it better and prove me worthy of your trust again. But until then, no, no trust.
I'm done here.