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[JunMadine]

This is more then we thought we'd get by now. It isn't much but is IS something. Keep it civil and keep it constructive.

Hold the line.

[dorktainian]

is it me or are Bioware employees contradicting each other in various responses recently?

If thats art then i'd love to see what they make of a real masterpiece.

[Fame-KIllz]

Their first instinct is to look to the 'professional' reviews. Nice to know their consumers & fans don't come first lol.

[FKA_Servo]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

So the indoctrination theory isn't true? The endings are to be accepted at face value?

Ugh, that's awful. What the hell, Bioware.

There's nothing in this, or anything that the developers have said, that conclusively rules this out.

They are being exceptionally cagey, though, for sure.

[Tzupi88]

Ah, once again with the "some core fans" thing.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Nykara wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

HAHA! The bullet to the indoc theories head! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS DAY!

I have the feeling people will just keep on believing it anyway.

Yep because nothing in that post changes anything. Once again it is very cleverly written to not give away a thing. They could simply be finishing off the true ending as they always intended to do. The 'most' fans could include those who believe in alternative theories and that bioware was / is infact planing something all along.

Hold the line.

Oh god, i laughed so hard i'm weezing.

[quiksilver723]

tobito113 wrote...

Davian1980 wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Am I the only one that reads that and thinks he's largely dismissive of everyone against the ending? He spends more time dancing around the issue and refuses to acknowledge any type of mistake on Bioware's part.

No youre not, the rest of the Hold the Line movement is acting just as stupid as you are

And there we go with the insults again.

Yeah because he is being dismissive of you by talking about people who didnt like the endings and saying they will give more information in the future. The hatred for anything Bioware say on these forums is absolutely appaling...

I agree, the rhetoric can really get nasty sometimes against Bioware.  It doesn't help the cause.

[WQFNHJNHNFNFNFBFNFN]

Yeesh, what more do you people want? He addressed that fans are unhappy, confirmed that the endings would be expanded upon in some way, and gave us a definitive timetable for more information. I dunno about you guys, but as of now I'm pretty happy with this development. I know we're not completely out of the woods yet, but I'm willing to patiently wait until April, most likely @ PAX, for more info.

It seems like fans are going to accept nothing less than Bioware completely grovelling before them.

[Capeo]

So can we FINALLY put all this indoctrination BS to bed!?!

I think the most we're going to get from BW is maybe some add-on epilogues to "clarify" the unclarifiable... ness... ous?

[DropTech]

I like and agree with his statement.

[Thornquist]

I cant see how anyone will be upset over that response.

Bioware truly cares about its fans, anyone saying otherwise needs a reality check.

[ChampDude]

I guess we'll hear more at PAX. To me, this is an encouraging sign, but far from the direct and definitive statement I require. And as others have said, these "content initiatives" to "give closure and answers" better not be explanations for the problems we have, because we've already exhausted the possible reasons for why the ending is the way it is, and none have been adequate. We need a real ending, and I hope that's what Bioware is working on right now with all the feedback we've been giving them. Hold the line people

[Kanon777]

Zardoc wrote...

I'd like to know how they "explain" the endings without massive use of space magic and retconning.

-Give a scene with joker rescuing the ground team (there is hidden dialogue about that already, the scene was removed from the game)

-Show a scene where new technology for FTL travel is used (cerberus is said to be discovering technology that bypass the need for mass relays) so the galaxy isnt "doomed"

-Remove the scene where the ship gets crashed, thus removing any reason to think it actually happened.

-Give more of the dialogue that was cut about how the cataclyst works and why the reapers are doing what they did (the App said it was removed content)

-Make DAO style slideshow that tell you the results of your choices in the future, thus invalidating the argument that the choices you make are meaningless.

Thats all they need to do actually...

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Nykara wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

HAHA! The bullet to the indoc theories head! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS DAY!

I have the feeling people will just keep on believing it anyway.

Yep because nothing in that post changes anything. Once again it is very cleverly written to not give away a thing. They could simply be finishing off the true ending as they always intended to do. The 'most' fans could include those who believe in alternative theories and that bioware was / is infact planing something all along.

Hold the line.

Oh god, i laughed so hard i'm weezing.

I told you; indoctrination theorists are like creationists. No evidence will persuade them that their theory is false.

[Alexius]

There goes the indoctrination theory.

Oh well. Boo, it was cool.

[Paragon Auducan]

1. Different possible endings that change depending on your choices through the series. Reflecting through good-bad.
2. Closure, ingame engine cutscene Epilogue NOT a storyboard.
3. No Plot holes, the current ending is filled with them. This is the main problem as it stands.
4. Make war assets important, Dragon Age did it well where you could call in reinforcements in the last battle.
5. Either admit Indoctrination Theory or at least run with it. You only have to add instead of change or outright dismiss.

Do these, I would implore them to make it free but I would be willing to pay.

How they didn't originally do this is beyond me.

Modifié par Paragon Auducan, 21 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[Oakenshield1]

Seems like we're going to get closure instead of plot hole filler. Oh well. I'd rather have both.

[LightweightJustice]

I've got a bad feeling about this.

[Xenoaroe]

Guys, this really is the best you could have hoped for. Muzyka's response was sincere, and it sounds like they are hitting the ground running if they are going to give us info in April.

Mass Effect 3 was an amazing game 99% of the way through. Only the very end was a let down. Have faith in the guys that made the wonderful experience that constituted that 99%.

I was severely disappointed in the ending. I hated the Star Child Reaper King.

But, I believe in Bioware.

[GoblinSapper]

I'm so tired... I'm cool with this, but I wish they'de stop harping on the 'artistic intengrity'. Your art was bad. Please just tell us you'll fix this..please, please.

[Zalitara]

I think this was nice. It's a statement from about as high up the food chain as you can get. He mentions that they want to defend it, but are able to see past their defensiveness, and most importantly, he agnoledges that the fans are displeased. He may be downplaying it a little bit but that was to be expected.

I think it's now important that WE listen to HIM, and take his advice when it comes to being contructive, complaining for the sake of complaining is pointless.

[majormajormmajor]

ARTISTIC INTEGRITY: An Exercise in Condescension

[LastFadingSmile]

I don't envy them the position they're in, but it's hard to keep hoping. I'm interested to hear what they have to say come April, but I can't even describe my feeling right now as cautious optimism. Maybe 'delayed pessimism' is more accurate.

I still find their apparent confusion over the fan reaction to be itself confusing; I guess it's just a matter of being so close to the project that they weren't able to step outside and see it from any other angle, and probably having inside knowledge helps too. I do believe them when they say they're listening, at least -- they can't afford not to. Time will tell.

[Alsuras]

He makes some awful, awful statements in that post. His opening paragraph, to me reads like "We don't -want- to acknowledge that we put out a plot hold riddled ending that was directly contradictory to what we promised our fans, but I suppose we have to now." Pointing to the high ratings offered by critics is all well and good, but the critics aren't the people you need to please, your fans are. And you have clearly failed in this to a large degree.

The entire post was more wishy-washy then I'm willing to accept. Don't try and make sense of the nonsensical. If you can actually make the starchilds circular logic make sense without introducing more plot holes, well done, I don't think you can. Because that entire scene is a betrayal of Shepard's character throughout the entire series on top of the awful logic presented to your fans who's intellect you have vastly underestimated if you think you can pass that off as deep and meaningful.

I personally don't want to have the existing endings explained to me, because that's insulting. That implies that they already make sense and we're just not clever enough to get it. The endings are ****, they are bad from a literary and objective standpoint.

Give us what we're asking for, alternatives, not more BS explanation for that which you understandably cannot admit is rubbish this early on.