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[Saint Op]

Xenoaroe wrote...

phototed wrote...

Xenoaroe wrote...

Guys, this really is the best you could have hoped for. Muzyka's response was sincere, and it sounds like they are hitting the ground running if they are going to give us info in April.

Mass Effect 3 was an amazing game 99% of the way through. Only the very end was a let down. Have faith in the guys that made the wonderful experience that constituted that 99%.

I was severely disappointed in the ending. I hated the Star Child Reaper King.

But, I believe in Bioware.

Same here!  

I'm glad you agree. I think optimism is the appropriate response. Bioware's responsivness is something to be appreciated, even if you don't 100% agree with them.

Truley If you disect and bash every word that anybody extends to you they will indeed write you off as a group of people that are just angry and unpleasable.
Civil discourse is a key...a lot of whats said in this thread will make them rethink attempting to do anything because nothing will be good enough short of beheading Mac and parading him through the streets...

[Zing Freelancer]

phototed wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Seeing how this pans out.

First piece of good news, not surprising news either, glad they responded so quickly, because there are still a chance to salvage this situations. All the fans who raged and insulted, especially the ones who took action should try to minimize the damage they have done by any means possible.
I am not asking for this because I want to kiss up to BioWare, but because sometimes, reading some of the posts my fellow fans made, was outright shameful and I was disgusted with myself for being associated with such imature people.

If anyone can deliver an artistic and satisfying ending that will reflect upon the choices of Commander Shepard on the second try, that got to be BioWare.

While we wait, we should hold the line and discuss whatever information we can get our hands in a civil manner. Hopefully there we are heard and there won't be any need for Range 2.0

Modifié par Zing Freelancer, 21 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Pharae]

Arthorius wrote...

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's what I feared. They're gonna 'explain' why Joker was fleeing in the middle of the battle and why Ventkid's nonsense make sense. But they won't change or add a thing.

Seconding this. I am now more wary than ever before. I am not going to prematurely call this a victory. Don't count your chickens til they hatch.

[quiksilver723]

Nefelius wrote...

Come on guys, chill.
He said that they understand the issue and are willing to address it.
That means they are open for dialogue, no need to start the hate all over again.

This

[AidanTk5]

"Art" by itself is meaningless and worthless, it is people (customers) that give it value.
There are a lot of unsuccessful artists out there, because nobody gets them.

[Kingthlayer]

Why do they keep saying we're such a very small minority. We are 90% of the internet fan base. And if you don't express your opinion on the matter, you don't have an opinion. Just like those who don't vote.

Lines like that lead me to believe they don't care.

[Fulgrim88]

What puzzles me is the "Balance between artistic integrity and fan responses"

If anything, the fan response strives to restore the artistic integrity - by asking for an ending that isn't so utterly divorced from the rest of the lore.
How can they still not see that?

[VAIOMANIAC]

prsquared wrote...

Sorry, not buying this. Nothing he said sounds genuine. Some of it is even hilarious.
"Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story..."

Yeah makes me wonder if he has even played the game sorry DOC not buying it.

[Sharn01]

I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around the concept that anyone could look at the ending to ME3 and think is good. I want to know how it made it into the final game, I have said this before mockingly, but I am genuinely curious as well, I just cant fathom how nobody would think there is a problem with it and point out the dissatisfaction it would cause.

[Ender99]

I'm glad he made a statement, but he is still trying to diminish us. Referring to us as his "core fan base" and "some of the loyal fans". Try 90% of your customers.

Also, while he acknowledges we are upset, in the same breath he defends the artistic value of the game and points out how all the major critics liked it.

It shows we are getting to them though. Keep up the pressure. Don't slack off because of this.

Hold the line for as long as it takes.

[Lurchibald]

Now I realise why PC Powerplay Australia is my favourite games mag, If only I read their review before I bought the game....

The worst sin BioWare has committed with Mass Effect 3 is a tactless avoidance of consequences to major decisions made in the first two games.

http://www.pcpowerpl...-mass-effect-3/

[Stonesoundjam]

Coming Soon: Mass Effect 3.5 - Yahg's Oddyssee.

Follow the adventures of the escaped Yahg, Christopher Johnson, as he embarks on a series of episodic adventures from it's daring escape from Sur'Kesh..

Follow CJ as he lopes stylishly through the interstellar galaxy, finding collaborators to aid him in his Uplift Mofo Party Plan. A diabolical and wild scheme to win the evolutionary race with the reapers.. And a shocking reveal and a final Kinect-powered multiplayer campaign dance off against The Catalyst, revealing the startlingly hallucinogenic fate of Commander Shepard.

CJ will have to dance his Titan like meat tree legs off to save the universe and reunite Shepard with all her love boat Normandy slaves and the reveal of Mass Effect's biggest villain, ******, heir to the TIM empire.

(5500 Microsoft points)

[SovereignGFC]

They're very good at one thing judging by the opinions in this thread: allowing nearly everyone (from supporters of the ending to people who want the whole thing re-written) to see exactly what they want to see.  It keeps the talk going, which is free advertising. 

They can wave the "art" flag all they want--but that doesn't make them immune to criticism.  Sure, they're not obligated to do anything but a composer who writes a terrible concerto may find the concert hall empty once everyone's heard about it.

As for the "critics say"--that's just profit talking.  Most of the buyers of the game are going to be much more influenced by the "professional" gaming press than we are here. 

[Titan_HQ]

Arthorius wrote...

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

That's what I feared. They're gonna 'explain' why Joker was fleeing in the middle of the battle and why Ventkid's nonsense make sense. But they won't change or add a thing.

While I want to agree with you, and indeed my gut feeling is so, I would like to add that it would be akin to suicide to do so. We, as a group, have proved that we can affect sales, share prices and press coverage in a way that hurts them enough to take notice. It would, nay, WILL get worse if they choose to tell us we are wrong and refuse to add more/better options and deliver on the promises made.

[Fame-KIllz]

Kyrick wrote...

So in other words,

"We're making downloadable content. Buy it. Don't listen to those 'people' who are complaining about the ending. They're nobodies who don't understand 'art'. Just look at the critics we're in bed with! They gave so many wonderful scores and you'll see them all again at our future release parties, sipping the good stuff and laughing with us at the gullibility of our 'fans'.

Oh yeah, you nasty people on the forums, we're going to be policing you now! We will not stand for people being nasty about our masterpiece of a game! No more saying mean things like, "The ending isn't a real ending, it's horrible" or "Make a new ending or we won't buy more stuff from you Bioware!". That's just mean and unconstructive and we have directed our moderators to delete all that stuff so it can seem like everybody loves the ending and there are no complaints. So there!"

The death knell for my support for Bioware was given by Ray Muzyka this morning. His response displays the absolute lack of humility, self-reflection, and arrogance that seems to pervade the gaming industry as a whole. Hey Ray, we might not be as rich as you, nor have a mouthpiece as widely read as the New York Times, but we're the ones that have enabled Bioware to go from a struggling niche market player to a full on powerhouse of the gaming industry. Your response to the overwhelming dissatisfaction with the endings is to essentially tell everybody that they're wrong and that they need to buy more stuff to support the franchise? Well, not going to happen buddy. I'm done with Bioware and, given this statement, it seems that you are too. At least for using the studio as anything other than a copy of Funcom, producing 'just good enough' rubbish that you can fleece your consumers with before you frantically run off to the next project to just barely do in an acceptable way.

Yeah, it felt like he was basically saying "we like it, deal with it" despite begrudgingly admitting that fans don't like the endings but he played that down also. I have little hope that more than a statement will be released explaining the ending.

[Corrik Ronis]

"All the major critics that are bought and paid for by the gaming industry gave us the required numbers for a massive AAA title such as this."

Yeah big surprise there. Hold the line.

[Xenoaroe]

Saint Op wrote...

Xenoaroe wrote...

phototed wrote...

Xenoaroe wrote...

Guys, this really is the best you could have hoped for. Muzyka's response was sincere, and it sounds like they are hitting the ground running if they are going to give us info in April.

Mass Effect 3 was an amazing game 99% of the way through. Only the very end was a let down. Have faith in the guys that made the wonderful experience that constituted that 99%.

I was severely disappointed in the ending. I hated the Star Child Reaper King.

But, I believe in Bioware.

Same here!  

I'm glad you agree. I think optimism is the appropriate response. Bioware's responsivness is something to be appreciated, even if you don't 100% agree with them.

Truley If you disect and bash every word that anybody extends to you they will indeed write you off as a group of people that are just angry and unpleasable.
Civil discourse is a key...a lot of whats said in this thread will make them rethink attempting to do anything because nothing will be good enough short of beheading Mac and parading him through the streets...

This. Principally, anyon desiring change should be happy about this. The situation is better than it was yesterday. Have some hope, have some faith. From a utilitarian standpoint, even if you are disatisfied with the response, the response itself should be met positively to encourage more communication like this. 

[MikeFL25]

After reading Dr. Ray's response:

MY HOPE:
-That they will change the ending to reflect how great the rest of ME3 and the ME franchise is
-That they will provide an epilogue or something to give us closure on our choices, events after the battle, squad mates and love interest
-That there is a happy ending choice, or at least an ending where Shepard dying/sacrificing himself is a PLAYER CHOICE, not a forced outcome.

My FEARS:
-That they will blindly defend their "artistic" ending by trying to explain things like Joker running away or the Star Child's logic instead of making a better ending.
-That they will give closure on things like the Reaper origin and the Star Child but not on things we care about like our love interest, Shepard's fate, our squad mates, choices, etc.

[nevar00]

That's a nice reply. I still don't like being LIED to (16 different endings, Rachni will be important, decisions will matter, 'it will answer all your questions', etc) but at least this is something.

Still I don't see how this ending, so riddled with plot holes and topped off with a dues ex machina, that not only does not take any choices into account but renders them all meaningless, could have ever been thought of as a satisfying conclusion.

[xxskyshadowxx]

So, more confirmation that the ending we got was what they were planning and happy with all along. It makes me wonder which game's ending they were talking about in all those interviews and whatnot prior to the game's release, and how any "Artist" can justify different endings based on choice being the same thing with different colors. That's like saying you'll write three books, but in the end all three are the same but with different fonts. I wish they'd take a moment to discuss that.

[Laughing_Man]

I am... cautiously optimistic.
I think he is just trying to balance admiting the fact that something went wrong, with the fact that he can't admit it openly.
I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Renew81]

lex0r11 wrote...

i dare them to announce it april 1st.

Something tells me thats not goign to happen.

[alx119]

Can we at least get an mod editor of sorts? That way at least the community could craft another ending and patch it into the actual game. Perhaps chip in and pay for the voice actors with the contributions of all.

Sigh... That really made me feel utter disbelief towards this company. I -knew- that something didn't smell ok with ME3 some months ago, before it's release.
I was talking with a friend, and I said "I dunno, I have a bad feeling about it" and he said "Me too, but hey, it's Bioware" and I just went like a fool and said: "Yeah, guess you're right".

[anexanhume]

Still doesn't explain blatant use of plot holes for speculation fodder and violation of core series tenets and literature conventions concerning this type of epic hero story.