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[forthary]

Well, this is the first time I've seen offical news. April is the month eh? I have a feeling that PAX is when they will reveal whatever info they have.

However, we must not let our guard down. We must still hold the line!

[PeterG1]

PeterG1 wrote...

Ray's letter is lucid and honest. I read it and I do think it's 100% integrity.
One thing that he and other devs have said though (although I think Ray makes it most clear here) is this: 

Ray Muzyka wrote...

Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.

Game content that will answer questions and provide clarity. But game content that will provide additional, optional endings? Alternate endings? That might not be in the works. 

I'll be honest though: I do still think ALL possibilities (including additional, alternate endings) are on the table in Edmonton, Redwood and Austin. They are considering everything, still.

Look, (especially if BW reads this): when I beat the game last Wednesday, I was in the camp that thought the ending(s) was beautiful and emotionally rocking. I was knocked down and spellbound. But I will absolutely pay for and play any additional endings that become offered, particularly if I get an opportunity, in game, to run around a 
depleted earth, a damaged normandy, a military base, or, yes, a beach, and interact with my crew, with Hackett, Sanders, etc. Will I pay for some additional cutscenes in order to get an epilogue and closure in the form of a narrative ending? Yes, I'll do that too. But as I said, like many of you, I'd still love to see additional endings and would love to play "my Shepard" post-reaper war.

It's kind of shameful that I'm quoting my own post but I wanted to add:

If we get a better explination and more closure, but not alternate or additional endings, they might have a good (albeit practical) reason for doing so.

If they've already developed (or are developing) additional DLC, or completely new games/content in the universe, they might have dug themselves too deeply into that to add additional endings. Why? Well if this content reflects the three current endings and their entire stories and play revolve around that, it might be too tough to have them address additional endings in this content. Particularly if the endings are drastically different than the ones we got. Ones like, Shepard lives and returns to his crew.

Any thoughts?

[Hepzi3]

I think its all Dev Speak, I will continue holding the Line, none the less this gives me hope.

EA/BioWare: I will continue to boycott youre products until Mass Effect 3's ending is fixed, and by that I mean an explanation for how my Crew were warped up to the Normandy in the final 5 minutes of the game, when I can clearly see my LI and best friend came with me to the Conduit.

[pb1988]

bump..needs to be seen and visible.

[Sargerus]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

alberta wrote...


I don't get it - why are you blaming this fan for expressing his/her opinion either way. This fan did NOT cause the ending problem - BW did. Now BW is again blaming ALL fans for not liking the ending. Otherwise why use the "artistic" shield? Or the Reviewers shield? Especially the reviewers shield we know for a FACT only one in 10 even finished the game.

If you know this for a fact, prove it.  I've written game reviews for magazines and newspapers and the rule of thimb was that you finished the game before writting your review.  Where is the evidence to support your claim?

Be rational folks.  A good portion of the fanbase likes the ending.  A good portion of the fanbase that didn't like the ending support artistic rights, like me.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this matter.  

the majority of the fanbase DOESN'T like the ending. It's a fact.

[JulienJaden]

ZombieJohn84 wrote...

His complete praise for the ending and professional reviewers sort of killed it for me. Apparently, this was what they REALLY wanted. I don't know how us forcing them to work on a project they obviously don't/won't believe in will work.

I was under the impression they ran out of time or resources or SOMETHING and we were giving them an opportunity to fix it. After reading this and Final Hours, I don't think that's the case. They really BELIEVED in this A,B,C ending...

So we really are forcing them to go back and change their ideals. That kinda sucks.

Again, what a mess!! I don't see this going anywhere good, to be honest.

In the end, it can never be disputed that they lied to us about how things would play out. All else is lots of speculation.

Well, as I said before: I'm willing to give my input.

And I'll take it one step further: I'm willing to rewrite the endings for them, if that's an issue and they let me do it.

[Nataladass]

count_4 wrote...

What he basically says is: The ending was intended as is, everybody loves it but some of the most passionate fans are a little angry. He thinks it is awesome. They'll answer some questions in April.

With this blog post I lost every respect for BioWare I had left. :/

exactly. and it hurts soooo much. i could cry. i was a loyal fan since baldurs gate, buyed every game multiple times... but now... can't hold any longer. farewell bioware, goodbye.

[alberta]

Destructive criticism? Then BW obviously did not read the hundreds of WRITTEN constructive endings produced by the fans themselves on these threads. And believe me some of those ending were very, very good as compared to the ending we were forced into. Thousands of written suggestions by the fans here. All constructive in nature. To use a few examples of fans hurt and dismayed comments is going out of their way to find someone else to blame except themselves.

[spacefiddle]

MJF JD wrote...

well that kind of pokes at there being a plan all along for a special dlc ending.

Not entirely, although I think the nature of that DLC is about to be altered.

[dorktainian]

I wonder how many ME players are also SWTOR players - and if the recent 'Free Weekends' are due to subscribers leaving due to this.

Also the Unfinished nature of SWTOR on release should have been a warning to us.

[Deschi]

also wanted to leave my thought shere:

I really appreciated the statement of Dr. Ray Muzyka... of course it is vague again and he didn't make any specific statements regarding WHAT and HOW they will chance those things most of us really care about (especially the inchorent stuff) but he said that they ARE working on that. And seriously guys... how can they rigth now push a solution for that out of the hat when all the writers and developers have now to work on that again... THIS NEEDS TIME and I think you all agree that you want something good in quality. So give them time... keep up the pressure that they GOT MOTIVATED not a pressure like the the FEEL FORCED!

A lot of us were assuming that the ending fell flat and like a patchwork becuase EA might have made much too short deadline which was not good for that game and that the developers felt forced to finish it. So keep calm, motivate the developers NOW rather the to make just mean pressure! It should be balanced and constructive. Don't become like the enemy we all hate! I beg you! For me everyone here who respected the franchise but did not like the ending never wanted to destroy the artistic visions of the writers or the developers... we all just felt that soemthign was just not right in the ending: that there was no real feeling of closure and no feeling of making you decissions really matter. I am still sure their original vision of making a bittersweet and even mysterious ending will still work, if the feeling of neing more involved into it as a player would be increased.

Modifié par Deschi, 21 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Sassafrass23]

I dont know....i kinda feel like this is a bad thing. He makes it sound like we were just supposed to roll over and accept that ridiculous ending. And for that "employees hard at work" statement? That translates to me as "New dlc weapons, retake omega!, new dlc multi maps" and other crap to try make us forget.

[Moggsley]

henkez3 wrote...

The thing I just don't understand regarding BioWare is why they would spend nearly a decade building, writing and creating the Mass Effect trilogy, creating a fictional universe with solid rules and plotpoints and story in general, and then in the last 10 minutes of the trilogy just throw all that hard work out the window, with an ending that makes no sense in regard to the rest of the established fiction, not to mention riddled with plotpoints that are so apperent that you take notice of them the first time you watch the ending unfold. Was it to be "artistic"?, in any case, I simply do not understand why they would do that to themselves and the players.

This.

[spacefiddle]

alberta wrote...

Destructive criticism? Then BW obviously did not read the hundreds of WRITTEN constructive endings produced by the fans themselves on these threads. And believe me some of those ending were very, very good as compared to the ending we were forced into. Thousands of written suggestions by the fans here. All constructive in nature. To use a few examples of fans hurt and dismayed comments is going out of their way to find someone else to blame except themselves.

Please bear in mind that no one likes seeing their people abused, and people HAVE been abusive to BWEA staff - personally - over this.  Of course he's going to say something about it, and hope it makes a difference.  Everything else he says talks about "fan feedback;" that's the constructive feedback you're talking about.  Addressing one doesn't invalidate the other.

[shoshbear]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

We need to collect ourselves for a minute and take in the fact that this press release was not just written for us, the "ardent fans" but also for the rest of the gaming industry and any cursory glances. If you are the head of a company you don't say 'we are so sorry we screwed up you were all right here's free DLC forgive us now and buy our stuff please?' You make a tactical response which bolsters your company and your product but still addresses the concerns and responses that prompted you to make a statement in the first place.

The only thing we should be focusing on is that it seems that they WILL make a real announcement about DLC in the very near future and it will have to do with some of the issues we have been discussing. It does not promise anything specific but it is a step in the right direction.

They have considered it necessary to change their original plan and WE caused the change because we were and continue to be 'ardent' in Holding The Line.

Let us stay the civil majority that caused such change. We have won a small battle here friends let's not lose sight of what we're really after and lose the war.

Hold the Line.

[David Bergsma]

Hold the line guys, they're trying to flank us, don't let them succeed. We'll have better endings if we stay together

[pb1988]

goose2989 wrote...

Seems like more PR spin. But the fact that Bioware's own founder attached his name to this debacle is proof that we are being heard.


Keep talking. Keep Facebooking. Keep Tweeting. Spread the word on this!

AMEN! Keep this in the forefront until we get a definitive  answer on the endings. This is a very good start; hey, we got the attention of the head of BW for crying out loud, but don't let up the pressure. Oh, and stay civil. We need to keep a cool head while keeping up the pressure.

[robtheguru]

Still no response to the fact we were lied to about endings that would not be A, B, C?

If that was promised to us this time last year I can understand, but Casey said that at the end of January.

[Ilzairspar]

Amaradus wrote...



Looks like someone is trolling, I haven't seen any "destructive" criticism as of yet, and if there is even one it does not reflect the community as a whole.

To be honest, some of us (myself included) have gotten a bit overly passionate about the subject and blurred the line between constructive and destructive.

We've been pretty good at moderating ourselves, but it does happen.

[Blue Liara]

At the end of the day the praise from reviewers are by INDIVIDUALS. Its really pathetic when they have to point to reviews to argue that their game is great. They don't mention that many of the reviews mention that the ending is TERRIBLE but that they still think the rest of the game is good. So pretty much many of the reviews that praise the game have the exact same sentiment as the majority of fans. Game is great but the ending is TERRIBLE!! There are thousands of fans disappointed and upset with the endings. Whats more important the 30-50 magazines and websites who give it a good review. Or the thousands and thousands of fans who are upset and disheartened.

[Epiph1]

kleindropper wrote...

I would classify returning or reselling games, spamming user reviews, and filing FTC complaints in the "destructive" category (not that I nec. disagree with some of these tactics)

Sure if you equate destructive with exercising consumer rights.

Oh wait they are a business not an artists' commune so yes that's destructive! Funny how that works.

[Helen0rz]

If they have to get Muzyka out, that's how you know this ending angry craziness is DEFINTELY affecting Bioware. So April? PAX right? We'll see then.

[Leninsaurus]

I've said it before, even though I don't know if it has been this thread or a different one, but I'll say it again:
It is nice to hear an official statement, but it is still just as ambigious and wishy-washy as all the statements before. He tries to dismiss the anger and frustration of the majority of fans as "some" or "the core fanbase" and doesn't give a clear statement either way. The upcoming DLC could still just be the one they planned anyway to implement into the game.

But what angers me the most is that they talk about artistic integrity, while the ending pretty much is just the same as Deus Ex, and the last scene of the trilogy is almost an exact copy of an image you can easily find by googeling "space winter". Oh, and then they end the whole trilogy with a message to their fans that they want them to buy more content.
No sorry, that is just an insult to our intelligence.

[David Bergsma]

Yell loud enough and someone will eventually come to see waht the fuzz is all about

[Sywen]

Well, I'm still holding the line and telling people how the ending ruined the entire trilogy for me. I'm an unhappy customer and nothing he said changed that.