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[Saku39]

Quietness wrote...

Saku39 wrote...

Quick question, Ray. Who was responsible for this fiasco, and when will they be fired? This abortion of an ending will cost you millions, and a brain dead chimp of a beta tester should have raised the exact concerns as your customers, back in January.

This is not excusable, it's total failure on the part of the developers. Someone needs to be fired, or they'll just do it again and ruin your next game too.

s*** like this needs to stop. We will not win anyone over screaming for people to be fired, and blatant insults.

No! Absolutely not, why would this stop? You're telling me you wouldn't fire the person responsible for this?

Win? What are you talking about? If anything needs to stop it's garbage like your post. I am an unsatisfied customer of Bioware. I have purchased their product, and I am not satisfied with it. I will now DO WHATEVER I WANT. What needs to stop is people removing themselves from the normal customer/business relationship, just because this is a video game. Forget that noise. I comment on boards, Youtube, email my friends - I've communicated quite succinctly how unsatisfied I am with this product to thousands of potential customers of Bioware, as have the majority of people on this board. I am HERE because I am unsatisfied.

We will do ANYTHING WE WANT, and you should keep your unproductive, submissive opinions to yourself, because they make you look silly. There are no insults in my post. Read it again, who do I insult? You SEE insults, because you are here to beg. I'm not here to beg, I'm here to raise holy hell as a result of the worst narrative ending to a major work of fiction in the last 30 years.

I am holding Bioware accountable for their actions, as should you. Ray, fire somebody.

Modifié par Saku39, 21 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[Gigaheart]

thebatmanreborn wrote...
 wall of text..

So...your editor, agent and publisher, who gets the money, can tell you how to write and your fans, who gives the money, can't? As Mr. Spock would say: "Illogical."

Modifié par Gigaheart, 21 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[count_4]

Mims wrote...

And so begins operation, fill in the plot holes with DLC:

Tali: Hey everyone! I just fixed this thing that will let us use FTL even if, gosh, I don't know we crash on some deserted island planet somewhere. And just in case we do, I am also packing several dextro chickens and a whole year's worth of farming supplies just in case!
Shepard: Wow! But how is that teleporter coming along?
Tali: It's going great Shepard!
Shepard: /HIGH FIVE

Just wait until you hear of the nanites that were pulsed out in the green ending to alter the DNA of every single being in the galaxy...

Modifié par count_4, 21 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[JeffKaos]

I think the idea of the "vocal minority" is misleading. A vast majoriy of gamers, myself included, rarely go online and post comments about a bad game. They just accept them as a bad investment and move on. But does that mean they're not just as upset as those of us posting our disspleasure wth ME 3's endings? Not everyone can, will or are able to go online and complain about something they don't like. Silence does't necessarily equal acceptance.

[Blue Liara]

FaultenXIII wrote...

shoshbear wrote...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Let us stay the civil majority that caused such change. We have won a small battle here friends let's not lose sight of what we're really after and lose the war.

Hold the Line.

^^^THIS^^^

Nicely said, I'm glad that other people aren't jumping the gun and seeing everything Bioware says during this discourse as evil and souless. Lets calm down for a moment and try to act like the adults we claim to be.

Couldn't agree more about keeping things civil. The worst reaction to these statements would be to lose our cool and start saying insulting personal things to Bioware and its employees. However, these statments still seem like PR deflections to me. Also I'm afraid of them realeasing a DLC for closure that is healf-hearted and doesn't really satisfy fans, but is just enough to quell the movement to get the ending changed. There needs to be a radical change to the ending in my opinion. Something that offers real closure. IF they release a patch or a DLC that just adds another 2 minutes to the current ending, with some words of closure and a rubbish cutscene it will be even more salt in the wound for a lot of fans and the final nail in the coffin for Biowares credibility. They need to know that there is not a compromise point here. They have to admit that they were WRONG. Things absolutely should remain civil. But if we keep on getting these press releases which have NO substance whatsoever, I'm not very hopeful. 

Modifié par Blue Liara, 21 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[Arathon]

This talking about the minority... Seriously
stop talking BS and give us a statment!
Instead of pissing us off with your comments
in a row.

[Norrax]

his statement= LALALALALALALALA were not listening!

[saracen16]

Quietness wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

is the really important paragraph.

I'd like to think that it hopefully helps both sides of the argument.

[RevenantWolf]

ThePasserby wrote...

His insistence on maintaining "artistic integrity" is worrying. To consider the tripe that is the ME3 ending to be artistic is downright ridiculous. For some reason, the writers are intent on making Shepard a tragic hero who achieves what is at best a pyrrhic victory before perishing.

I seriously doubt there will be any epic victory like in ME1.

Good bye, Bioware.

He said art and artistic about 8 times. It is clear they have no intentions of changing anything. They can have it all. They can go do fan fiction for all I care. When they have no customer base left, what else will it be?

[alizrak]

I'm glad they at least said something, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Hold the line!!

[circe]

I'm pleased that there was enough pressure to compel a response like this. Granted, it's a lot of fluff talk and completely lacking in any language with which anyone in Bioware can be held accountable down the line, but that's business and politics. I honestly believe that they never saw this kind of backlash coming. Maybe that's the risk of being the creator; your viewpoint is always going to be skewed. And yes, damn it, the game was amazing. That's what made the ending all the worse. If the game had been poor done from beginning to end, you wouldn't be seeing this kind of 'unprecedented' response from the fans. As are many, many others, I will be waiting to see if Bioware is able to provide an ending that can stand on par with with rest of ME3.

[Comguard2]

"On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better."

The 75 critics that give your games a perfect review score don't buy your games, the "some of our loyal fans" do.

[Rustedknight]

I would say that this blog rules out a new ending. Best case we get a motion comic epilogue. I would also agree that from a marketing stand point they need to make sure that people who are greatly disappointed in the game are seen as a minority. I love how since this uproar started the adds have that quote describing ME3 as a coherent master-piece.

[R_Mckay]

henkez3 wrote...

The thing I just don't understand regarding BioWare is why they would spend nearly a decade building, writing and creating the Mass Effect trilogy, creating a fictional universe with solid rules and plotpoints and story in general, and then in the last 10 minutes of the trilogy just throw all that hard work out the window, with an ending that makes no sense in regard to the rest of the established fiction, not to mention riddled with plotpoints that are so apperent that you take notice of them the first time you watch the ending unfold.

Its SAD to finally learn that THAT was the ending the writers of this amazing universe could come up with to end it... did anyone from their writing/lore team not play the game in its entirety and after playing it to its end come out thinking... did the ending we provide just drop the ball on the excellent stories that lead up to it? did the endings remain true to the established rules (that they themselves set) and plotpoint of the mass effect universe as a whole?

or in the end was it just too MUCH for BIO to take in, the sheer number of variables and varieties that needed to be tracked to complete the trilogy had to be so mind bogglingly immense in scope that to provide proper closure to each choice made by the players who played the game from start to finish was so numerous that they finally had to admit defeat and just took the easy way out with the three endings offered to the player?

I'm not a writer, but I do love a good story... more so in the games that I play, it doesnt matter if in the end death comes to the protagonist of the story... so long as that death serves a valuable and cohesive meaning,... to be honest, after ME2, I was already anticipating sacrificing my Shep, I was on borrowed time... my mindset as I went into Mass Effect 3 was knowing that fact, even reflecting it in the choices of dialogue I made, staying the course for everyone (we will defeat the reapers), but showing my own doubts and tepidations to those close to me (LI and Bro Garrus) and having the game react to those choices in the way I knew it would, made the journey and short walk towards the ending seem so empty (pointless and directionless) and devoid of what made the series so amazing that I remember the death of a video game character more (Mordin's Death - superbly done) than I would care to repeat the choice of walking to those three incomprehensible (out of character from the choices I've made) choices to end it all...

perhaps in the end it was too much to ask of BIO and ME3, I was so caught up in the brilliant use of my former decisions in the past games and the way the game so amazingly anticipated them that I had perhaps blindly thought... the ENDING would be flat out explosive because it would take all the difficult choices I had to make into account, to me at least in the end the final choices were like a cop-out.

and I do agree with the good doctor ME3 is an amazing game, perhaps one of the best I have ever played... ruined only in the final moments that would have to my mind at least made it a paragon of storytelling in the videogame world. 

Modifié par R_Mckay, 23 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[StowyMcStowstow]

Geez. People, listen up:

There was no plan for ending DLC. Bioware actually thought that the endings, as they are, were perfectly fine. However, after all of this ruckus we started, they have since revised their stance on the subject.

To Ray: There should not be a difference between maintaining the themes/artistic integrity of the games and applying fan feedback into the next DLC. They should be one and the same.

The problem players have with the game is that KEY themes were discarded and all choice was thrown out of the window. Shepard built a reputation of defiance and tolerance. That reputation, and both of those themes were thrown off of the roof of the Burj Khalifa the second Harbinger landed.

[Quietness]

Saku39 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Saku39 wrote...

Quick question, Ray. Who was responsible for this fiasco, and when will they be fired? This abortion of an ending will cost you millions, and a brain dead chimp of a beta tester should have raised the exact concerns as your customers, back in January.

This is not excusable, it's total failure on the part of the developers. Someone needs to be fired, or they'll just do it again and ruin your next game too.

s*** like this needs to stop. We will not win anyone over screaming for people to be fired, and blatant insults.

No! Absolutely not, why would this stop? You're telling me you wouldn't fire the person responsible for this?

Win? What are you talking about? If anything needs to stop it's garbage like your post. I am an unsatisfied customer of Bioware. I have purchased their product, and I am not satisfied with it. I will now DO WHATEVER I WANT. What needs to stop is people removing themselves from the normal customer/business relationship, just because this is a video game. Forget that noise. I comment on boards, Youtube, email my friends - I've communicated quite succinctly how unsatisfied I am with this product to thousands of potential customers of Bioware, as have the majority of people on this board. I am HERE because I am unsatisfied.

We will do ANYTHING WE WANT, and you should keep your unproductive, submissive opinions to yourself, because they make you look silly. There are no insults in my post. Read it again, who do I insult? You SEE insults, because you are here to beg. I'm not here to beg, I'm here to raise holy hell as a result of the worst narative ending to a major work of fiction in the last 30 years.

I am holding Bioware accountable for their actions, as should you. Ray, fire somebody.

Yes it does need to stop. You look at the last time people were screaming for blood on these forums. They got turned into demons in the public eye, lines of communication were shut down, and all the fan opinons were thrown out the window. If this starts to repeat like you are pushing so hard to it will destroy everything that has been put towards this already. 

The spotlight is on us now and how we react, and we need to stay calm and collected or risk losing everything due to a few people who go out of hand.

Am i happy that we were minimized again? No
Was it expected? Yes

There is a TON of money riding on how they please the fans, and top execs do not address the community directly unless something is really really really wrong.

[PotterGaz]

I know everyone jumps on the mention of the critics scores and I do understand that they are completed detached from the game and have no real long term investment in the universe as a whole, but I also feel quite sad for the BioWare team. Whether or not some of them are paid (and from the upset reaction of the devs I'd say the vast majority aren't paid - just emotionally uninvested reviewers) BioWare has still garnered what must be close to a record for review scores for a video game - something the staff were probably incredibly proud of and why they like to mention it so often.

[RevenantWolf]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Geez. People, listen up:

There was no plan for ending DLC. Bioware actually thought that the endings, as they are, were perfectly fine. However, after all of this ruckus we started, they have since revised their stance on the subject.

To Ray: There should not be a difference between maintaining the themes/artistic integrity of the games and applying fan feedback into the next DLC. They should be one and the same.

The problem players have with the game is that KEY themes were discarded and all choice was thrown out of the window. Shepard built a reputation of defiance and tolerance. That reputation, and both of those themes were thrown off of the roof of the Burj Khalifa the second Harbinger landed.

It is obvious that Bioware disagrees with your last paragraph.

[Kreid]

Thank you Ray for coming forth and letting us know the situation as it is now.
I think this situation is unfortunate but it is also a testament of the power of videogames and the success of BioWare as a developer, to have so many people pro actively caring about Mass Effect is awesome, an indication that the medium is evolving as an entertainment and as an art well on par with cinema or music.

Modifié par Creid-X, 21 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Ilzairspar]

It sounds to me like they are trying to figure out how to change the ending so we can get what we want (or at least we can shut the heck up) with the fewest number of changes to their current ending. If that is true then I understand where they are coming from. The amount of money it took to get those animations, voice acting, etc is probably big enough that 'scrapping' it completely is abject foolishness.

What will they do? Probably stick with the Starchild and give us the ability to argue with him. I'm hoping that they also give those of us trying for a 'perfect' ending a 4th or 5th choice besides our current 3 colors. One that stops the Reapers and gets us out alive without killing the geth and EDI. I know that technically means a "happy ending" but I'd like something like that for those of us who put in that much effort for Perfection.

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 21 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[Vasparian]

He did what I knew he would. Say how much the critics loved ME3, say how it's a work of art, and just talk about nothing. It's just words. His words mean nothing. ME3 stands as it is. The only DLC coming will be pre-ending. This statement from him means nothing.

[stillnotking]

Translation: "We'll do our best to explain things to you plebs in words of two syllables or less, to give you another chance to comprehend our mighty artistic achievement."

I mean, I know he has to support his team and all, but really? Not even a tiny admission that, gee, maybe the ending doesn't work all that well? And it still baffles me that they were "genuinely surprised" people didn't like it. I can't believe there was total unanimity among the writing and editing staff that this was a good, or even an acceptable, ending. Someone -- probably more than one someone -- is thinking to themselves "I told you so." Or maybe "Why didn't I speak up?"

[Murkman4683]

April is not that far away people, seriously less than two weeks, patience is a virtue.

[Capeo]

Rustedknight wrote...

I would say that this blog rules out a new ending. Best case we get a motion comic epilogue. I would also agree that from a marketing stand point they need to make sure that people who are greatly disappointed in the game are seen as a minority. I love how since this uproar started the adds have that quote describing ME3 as a coherent master-piece.

This.  That's pretty much what I expect.  The most we'll get, and I think this is a pipe dream, is some added in-game epilogues but I don't see them going to all the effort it would take to do that.