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[Demigod]

Nice civil statement that offers some hope for some resolutions at least.
I will have time to read it over more fully latter but I hope some of the closure we will be offered will cover some of the glaring plot holes introduced right at the end, hard to see how they could without a post end dlc but then this is scfi with a magical god child already lol

[Pelle6666]

He's using the words "current endings". Maybe it's nothing but I find some hope in that.

[Blackmind1]

Good on him. The creators should be able to finish their work however they want, though I'm still looking forward to some more lore focused DLC.

[Precursor2552]

JeffKaos wrote...

I think the idea of the "vocal minority" is misleading. A vast majoriy of gamers, myself included, rarely go online and post comments about a bad game. They just accept them as a bad investment and move on. But does that mean they're not just as upset as those of us posting our disspleasure wth ME 3's endings? Not everyone can, will or are able to go online and complain about something they don't like. Silence does't necessarily equal acceptance.

There is no reason for them to acknowledge us as a majority unless it is literally impossible (an outright majority of all buyers complained). They want to, and for PR need to, claim their game is good, the ending is unfortunately part of the game so they will seize upon any silence as acceptance, or outright support.

Given DLC isn't available to everyone they will always have to be able to claim "The original endings work and are good." Even if they add new endings I imagine they'll only want to acknowledge, "Due to the concerns of a number of fans we have decided to add additional endings, this does not change the original endings which are still all perfectly good and logical." 

[Walrusninja]

So, they actually genuinely intended to make an ending that nonsensical and appalling? Consider my faith in them shattered.

[hoodie_gypsy]

I keep typing a reply up and deleting it. I can't tell if I feel encouraged or patronized. All I really know is that I'm going to stay here and hold the line and offer whatever constructive feedback they're looking for and encourage others to do the same.

[s4nk4r1]

The comments about "artistic integrity" make me wince, but this is by far the best response we've got. I just hope they manage to let go of the idea that "artistic" equals "miserable".

[tekkaman fear]

Thinking about this more I've come to the conclusion this is nothing more than an attempt to silence any would be Pax attendees. Even 1 person causing a "ruckus" there would be an embarrassment.

[PeterG1]

saracen16 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

is the really important paragraph.

I'd like to think that it hopefully helps both sides of the argument.

Yes I agree. I think it will help both sides and I think we can, with certainty, see that Muzyka and BW plan to address and provide clarity.

I mentioned this in another thread but that statement has gotten me thinking what, specifically, is BW planning on doing? Are they going to provide DLC that, even if interactive, will simply provide additional closure and information to the endings that are already there? Or provide additional and alternative endings to the ones we currently have?

I'll be honest: when I beat the game last Wednesday, I was in the camp that thought the ending(s) was beautiful and emotionally rocking. I was knocked down and spellbound. But I will absolutely pay for and play any additional endings that become offered. 

If we get a better explination and more closure, but not alternate or additional endings, they might have a practical reason for doing so. If they've already developed (or are developing) additional DLC, or completely new games/content in the universe, they might have dug themselves too deeply into that to add additional endings. Why? Well if this content reflects the three current endings and their entire stories and play revolve around that, it might be too tough to have them address additional endings in this content. Particularly if the endings are drastically different than the ones we got. Ones like, Shepard lives and returns to his crew.

[alienatedflea]

Quietness wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

is the really important paragraph.

This is what I was talking about! they have a plan this whole time...

[Blue Liara]

Murkman4683 wrote...

April is not that far away people, seriously less than two weeks, patience is a virtue.

Telling us there is an announcement in April so we calm down is EXACTLY what they want. They want the issue out of the spotlight and out of the news.  As soon as we let off the pressure they begin to get the upperhand. Do not relent. Keep going on the forums, keep posting, keep demanding a change.

HOLD THE LINE!!! 

[thebatmanreborn]

Gigaheart wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...
 wall of text..

So...your editor, agent and publisher, who gets the money, can tell you how to write and your fans, who gives the money, can't? As Mr. Spock would say: "Illogical."

You can learn from your fans, so on the next book you don't make the same mistakes.  But you don't go back and rewrite an entire novel you've already spent all your creative jucies on.  The result would be an empty, unimaginative mess.  

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 21 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[saracen16]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Geez. People, listen up:

There was no plan for ending DLC. Bioware actually thought that the endings, as they are, were perfectly fine. However, after all of this ruckus we started, they have since revised their stance on the subject.

To Ray: There should not be a difference between maintaining the themes/artistic integrity of the games and applying fan feedback into the next DLC. They should be one and the same.

Artistic integrity and the themes of the game come from BioWare, not the players. As for DLC, that's always an option, but it's their prerogative as to what they do to it.

[Thornne]

Ok ... I was so wrong. All this time I thought Bioware had sold me a poor quality product with a mess of an ending that few customers were satisified with.

It turns out the ME3 ending is a work of art, and poor Bioware is being victimized by a small group of rabid, obsessed fans and FORCED to make a new ending.

Or ... just maybe, the fact that they actually ARE making changes to the ending (of a game released just two weeks ago) puts the lie to this argument, finally?

Modifié par Thornne, 21 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[ShepnTali]

Well, if whatever they're offering stlill leaves me depressed, then I will be done with Bioware. Off the rollercoaster, and never look back at Mass Effect again. Simple and fair. I can patiently wait and see.

[tAlOsS]

I always thought something was gonna go down in April or May, nice to have conformation though.

But remember, we must hold the line!

Modifié par tAlOsS, 21 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[cobnut]

He says nothing at all. And I care less each day - for Mass Effect AND Bioware.

Even if they announce an ending dlc in April they pretty much lost a fan. A proper response would redeem them now, not in a few weeks.

I will keep Mass Effect in my mind as the most horrible gaming experience in my life... It was supposed to be the most epic.

[Heretic19]

Norrax wrote...

his statement= LALALALALALALALA were not listening!

I'd say that's more like your statement bud  

[Sargerus]

Blue Liara wrote...

Murkman4683 wrote...

April is not that far away people, seriously less than two weeks, patience is a virtue.

Telling us there is an announcement in April so we calm down is EXACTLY what they want. They want the issue out of the spotlight and out of the news.  As soon as we let off the pressure they begin to get the upperhand. Do not relent. Keep going on the forums, keep posting, keep demanding a change.

HOLD THE LINE!!! 

[PrinceHamlet82]

I just struggle to believe that the ending they released with the game, is the final and intended ending. Everything these people from BW say seem to lead to that conclusion, but its jsut so different from teh rest of the games and story......... I hold onto hope that the original endings that they are so proud of is something they still have yet to release to the rest of us. Because if not, man, thats just dissappointing....

[count_4]

thebatmanreborn wrote...
You can learn from your fans, so on the next book you don't make the same mistakes.  But you don't go back and rewrite an entire novel you've already spent all your creative jucies on.

Well, BioWare is just doing that with Deception.
Probably because there the objective mistakes were obvious enough for them to force a reaction. They couldn't claim it to be just artistic freedom...

[Heretic19]

God some of you guys are so melodramatic and childish.

[Cloaking_Thane]

I'm checking out the Witcher 2 as we speak!

[Jamie9]

This is the outcomes in order of my preference (top = best, bottom = worst):

- They add endings that incorporate choices throughout the trilogy (keep old ending for people who liked it)

- Add an ending text epilogue

- Collapse as a company and never make anything again

- Do nothing

[thebatmanreborn]

Thornne wrote...

Ok ... I was so wrong. All this time I thought Bioware had sold me a poor quality product with a mess of an ending that few customers were satisified with.

It turns out the ME3 ending is a work of art, and poor Bioware is being victimized by a small group of rabid, obsessed fans and FORCED to make a new ending.

Or ... just maybe, the fact that they actually ARE making changes to the ending (of a game released just two weeks ago) puts the lie to this argument, finally?

A work of art doesn't mean it's a masterpiece.  It can be totally horrific, bad, terrible, disappointing, etc.  You are within your rights to critize and offer constructive feedback and ask for explanation and tell Bioware that you don't like this kind of ending.  Just because it is a work of art, doesn't mean it's great.  I don't like the endings either.  I like the series though, but yea, I didn't find the ending all that satisfiying.  

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 21 mars 2012 - 04:33 .