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[Sargerus]

IGN is reporting Ray's statement as "a new ending in works" LOL
http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

Modifié par Sargerus, 21 mars 2012 - 04:34 .

[AndroLeonidas]

Vasparian wrote...

He did what I knew he would. Say how much the critics loved ME3, say how it's a work of art, and just talk about nothing. It's just words. His words mean nothing. ME3 stands as it is. The only DLC coming will be pre-ending. This statement from him means nothing.

Why buy pre-ending DLC when we already know the ending is a flop? They can't actually believe people will buy pre-ending DLC with the ending they have. That's ludicrous.

[thebatmanreborn]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

I'm checking out the Witcher 2 as we speak!

already pre-ordered :happy:

[PotterGaz]

ShepnTali wrote...

Well, if whatever they're offering stlill leaves me depressed, then I will be done with Bioware. Off the rollercoaster, and never look back at Mass Effect again. Simple and fair. I can patiently wait and see.

I don't get this. You don't like the endings, that is fair enough. They have heard you and are genuinely looking in to a way to provide additional information and closure. If they fill in the plot holes and it makes sense afterwards and you still don't like it then that's all it is - a case of you not liking the story, no longer an actual fault.

They are trying. Give them a chance.

[bludhawk007]

I'm so happy with this letter. Thankyou Bioware. I feel like he's right, the team did an amazing job with 99.5% of the game, and I'm glad that Bioware did what I was hoping they would all along, listen to their fans.

[AlexXIV]

Quietness wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

is the really important paragraph.

Actually I am fine with it. They don't need to change everything if they only get things straight. I really want to understand the ending and the point of it if it ever had one.

[thebatmanreborn]

saracen16 wrote...



Artistic integrity and the themes of the game come from BioWare, not the players. As for DLC, that's always an option, but it's their prerogative as to what they do to it.

This.  

[rvgifford]

A little bit of acknowledgement and less spin than previously. We weren't called a minority, or a few, or anything belittling our numbers and opinions.

Still, they're sticking to the whole "art" argument and even use the word integrity in conjunction with the idea of an artistic vision. The most important integrity would have been actually having that "artistic vision" include everything they promised repeatedly in interviews and advertisements. I suppose artistic integrity is more important than actual integrity.

[Headcount]

MattFini wrote...

When Muzyka has to come out and make a statement that acknowledges the botched endings, you can bet they're worried.

But some of you aren't being realistic. If Muzyka admitted that the endings were terrible what do you guys think would happen? EVERY site would use that headline, it would spread like wildfire and ME3's sales would drop MORE.

This is not an option for them.

Instead, they acknowledged we're upset. And said that they're going to try and address that.

Hold the line guys, and try and see this as the good thing that it is.

Agreed.  They wandered into a minefield with those endings and are trying to navigate out of this mess without further damage to themselves and sales.   Wait until Pax.

Hold the line.

[hotdogbsg]

My guess is they're working on something to fill in the holes in the ending but won't do anything to the existing ending.

[DreamTension]

Cautiously optimistic, but I just worry it's spin.

I appreciate the comments from Dr. Mazyuka and I hope his intent is true. Thank you Bioware for responding. I'm sorry I can't be more appreciative until I see/hear definite news.

[Saku39]

Quietness wrote...

Saku39 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Saku39 wrote...

Quick question, Ray. Who was responsible for this fiasco, and when will they be fired? This abortion of an ending will cost you millions, and a brain dead chimp of a beta tester should have raised the exact concerns as your customers, back in January.

This is not excusable, it's total failure on the part of the developers. Someone needs to be fired, or they'll just do it again and ruin your next game too.

s*** like this needs to stop. We will not win anyone over screaming for people to be fired, and blatant insults.

No! Absolutely not, why would this stop? You're telling me you wouldn't fire the person responsible for this?

Win? What are you talking about? If anything needs to stop it's garbage like your post. I am an unsatisfied customer of Bioware. I have purchased their product, and I am not satisfied with it. I will now DO WHATEVER I WANT. What needs to stop is people removing themselves from the normal customer/business relationship, just because this is a video game. Forget that noise. I comment on boards, Youtube, email my friends - I've communicated quite succinctly how unsatisfied I am with this product to thousands of potential customers of Bioware, as have the majority of people on this board. I am HERE because I am unsatisfied.

We will do ANYTHING WE WANT, and you should keep your unproductive, submissive opinions to yourself, because they make you look silly. There are no insults in my post. Read it again, who do I insult? You SEE insults, because you are here to beg. I'm not here to beg, I'm here to raise holy hell as a result of the worst narative ending to a major work of fiction in the last 30 years.

I am holding Bioware accountable for their actions, as should you. Ray, fire somebody.

Yes it does need to stop. You look at the last time people were screaming for blood on these forums. They got turned into demons in the public eye, lines of communication were shut down, and all the fan opinons were thrown out the window. If this starts to repeat like you are pushing so hard to it will destroy everything that has been put towards this already. 

The spotlight is on us now and how we react, and we need to stay calm and collected or risk losing everything due to a few people who go out of hand.

Am i happy that we were minimized again? No
Was it expected? Yes

There is a TON of money riding on how they please the fans, and top execs do not address the community directly unless something is really really really wrong.

Oh for the love of evrything holy . . .

Demons? Blood? Destroying everthing? Out of hand? Calm and collected? Losing everything? This isn't some beautiful gift we were given by a princess across the sea, this is a product! This is reality, not a live action role playing game.

This isn't some flowery, phantasmagoric "happening" we're all experiencing - it's a complete ****-show! This is a company who is so out of touch, so incompetent, so completely myopic that they put THAT ending through the testing and editing process, and still released it. Whoever did that has made a multimillion dollar blunder, and if this was a defective set of tires, or a TV that breaks when you turn it on, they'd have been fired already.

I want the world to see me as a loud, articulate, wholly unhappy Bioware customer. I talk to people about how unhappy with Bioware I am ALL THE TIME, and I do it with out personally insulting them. I do however, mercilessly ridicule their actions and opinions. They deserve it. This hurts them.

[Blue Liara]

Sargerus wrote...

IGN is reporting Ray's statement as "a new ending in works" LOL
http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

Oh IGN if only if only. Maybe IGN know someone on the inside in Bioware......I can dream. 

[Nataladass]

just can't take it anymore. first they fu*** Dragon Age2, then they released SWTOR months before they should had (Patch 1.2 would be a good release) and now the end-gate in ME3.
the last three games they made had at least a bad taste and a lot of good people quit working for bioware (not just Drew, many others too).
srsly, how should I recommend any new Bioware game to anyone? they laugh at me.

and for me, as a fan, your statements are just a punch in the face. how could you do that? tell me please.

[CreepingGeth]

Why do I feel like they'll just release a motion comic detailing what happens post-ending...

Good to know that something is happening, though.

[Mistress Melon]

I HATE how every comment that Bioware has made had to give some reference to how critics liked their game. It's such a punch in the face to the fans

[StarcloudSWG]

This is the first sign that something will actually happen addressing our grievances with the non-ending Casey Hudson chose to implement.

Nevertheless, if the news in April doesn't address the endings directly, I will write Bioware off. And until a DLC is released that addresses the endings, I will not be buying any other DLC.

[Capeo]

Sargerus wrote...

IGN is reporting Ray's statement as "a new ending in works" LOL
http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

Would expect anything less than a pitifully misleading article title from IGN?

[Vromrig]

Difficult to comprehend. Artistic integrity implies procedures put into place to insure artistic merit. Correlations to films, television, books, unwarranted. Test screenings frequently alter endings. Editors, large say, public reaction highly monitored. Not kept in house. Also, undermined by "Drink More Ovaltine" message at end.

Artistic integrity sold to advertise more Ovaltine. Now give us ending.

[thebatmanreborn]

count_4 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...
You can learn from your fans, so on the next book you don't make the same mistakes.  But you don't go back and rewrite an entire novel you've already spent all your creative jucies on.

Well, BioWare is just doing that with Deception.
Probably because there the objective mistakes were obvious enough for them to force a reaction. They couldn't claim it to be just artistic freedom...

Remember, in order for them to make changes they have to regather that same team of writers and ask them to change it.  Believe me, that's not a happy group of writers.  They are probably hurt right now from some of the destructive feedback they got.  That caused them to be defensive.  They honestly felt this was a good ending, hence their surprise.  But from what Ray says, they want constructive feedback, they appreciate their fans, and they want to make this right.  

[SimonM72]

The thing that I find personally so frustrating is that Bioware appear of the opinion (first from Casey and now from Ray) that the creative team at Bioware are proud of the ending and wanted it to be memorable. Thats fine and I appreciate what they were trying to do, but a key point is missed here in an effort to dictate the ending and secure legacy.

This really did not need to be done and I believe this is where you slipped up.
These are our stories we have been working on for five years, of course any effort to shoehorn an ending into our personal stories was going to be met with disappointment, especially one so nihilistic in-tone.
What Bioware should of realised as a key point in all of this, is to not put their ending above our RPG stories and consider RPG story replayability above said artistic ending.

I have appreciated the Mass Effect team's creativity and artistic direction over the last five years, but whipping away control of our Shepard's destinies at the 11th hour for an exercise in nihilism (that I personally feel destroys the trilogy's RPG replayability) was not what Mass Effect needed and I thought it a selfish artistic decision.

Ray, Casey. If you want to secure legacy for Mass Effect and ensure it is memorable, Its simple;
All you need to do is give us the players, the directors of our own trilogy stories, the tools, the endings representitive of our choices we've built up over the last five years (as promised pre-release).
Give us the tools to finish our stories, that is fulfilling Mass Effects potential, that is what is going to secure legacy. Enable us to do this and we your fans will do the rest assuring the Mass Effect franchise popularity going forwards.

With love and respect to the creative team for the best sci-fi franchise since StarWars™.
I look forward to Mass Effect fulfilling its potential and becoming just as potent a cultural phenomenon.

Modifié par SimonM72, 21 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Blue Liara]

CreepingGeth wrote...

Why do I feel like they'll just release a motion comic detailing what happens post-ending...

Good to know that something is happening, though.

If they think the fan dissapointment is bad now. Would be so much worse if they do some half-assed comic. 

[Heretic19]

Sargerus wrote...

IGN is reporting Ray's statement as "a new ending in works" LOL
http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

HAAA!!!!! Oh my, those fools

[Zulufoxtrot]

Sargerus wrote...

IGN is reporting Ray's statement as "a new ending in works" LOL
http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

IGN logic is as bad as the Starchilds. 

[Captain Arty]

 I'm glad Dr. Muzyka made this statement. I think it directly addresses our concerns while explaining the thought processes of the development team. I understand their reservations in altering an ending to a story they put so much effort and thought into.

I think it also shows that they are not trying to scam us, and I hope members of the fanbase that suggest as much will take it to heart. They tried to deliver us a fitting ending and just missed the mark. Let's remain constructive in our criticism.

Modifié par Captain Arty, 21 mars 2012 - 04:41 .