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[Cloaking_Thane]

CreepingGeth wrote...

Why do I feel like they'll just release a motion comic detailing what happens post-ending...

Good to know that something is happening, though.

You mean an actualy comic............written by Dietz!

[Rower_DK]

Does anyone have an email address for the team? I would like to send in some constructiv criticism...!

[Powerpetzi]

Pelle6666 wrote...

He's using the words "current endings". Maybe it's nothing but I find some hope in that.

I thought the same thing.

Hold the line, never forget. Make Marauder Shields proud.

[WildcardCharlie]

As I said in other thread before it got Woo'd, to me this just sounds like them saying they're going to provide more "closure" for the crappy endings already in place. Which is really not at all what anyone here wants. I hope nobody plans on buying it if they do that.

[Fulgrim88]

Just leaving this here, because it's the truth

paynesgrey wrote...

He's talking as though people who didn't like the ending simply don't understand it. "We'll provide more clarity" is like a 5 year old telling a joke and then explaining why you should laugh. We aren't having promblems understanding the ending. We just don't like it because it is of such low quality compared to the rest of the franchise, because it flushes away in one swirl all of the choices and achievements we made through the course of 3 games.

The problem is not "lack of clarity" in regards to the ending.

The problem is it's lack of quality.

We are also not trying to destroy their artistic vision, but we are indeed trying to save it

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 21 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Ukjack44]

Turns out BioWare has sent me here to keep their Forum more tidy so i shall repost here.

Firstly alot of people were going to be rightfully upset about the endings and lose their temper. Secondly if you do want to prove to the community you are listening your best line of compramise is to run with the "Indoctrination theory" where Shep wakes up in London. I'm not going to tell you how to do your job as I have the upmost faith you will deliver what we all want, which you should know as you have been listening.

Just dont undermine your fans by saying 75 critics gave you a mid 90's review, because I believe there are atleast 75 crtitics that gave Twilight a high star rating. I am sure the majority of us shall remain civil and patient, you will mostly see the people raging in the forums because 90% of us are lurking and waiting for our deserved endings. Yes your game may be considered art in the way that a car may be considered art, you still expect the basic things to be working on the car the same was you expect a conclusion to cover up plot holes and give closure. If you plan on a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard and co then Bravo, I look forward to it. Alas we were told this is a trilogy and I'm sure you want to leave this project on a happy note.

I'm sure you will do what is right for your loving fans, and I'm also sure that people are going to start moaning and complaining about something I said.

Do us proud.

[Elite Midget]

More closure? So that means they're fine with the current ending and just want to fill in the blaks while not addressing the other issues with said ending?

[Erethrian]

Powerpetzi wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

He's using the words "current endings". Maybe it's nothing but I find some hope in that.

I thought the same thing.

Hold the line, never forget. Make Marauder Shields proud.

And think what are you gonna do after waking up after beating the attempt of Indoctrination.

[Darthlawsuit]

Bioware. You do not understand where we are coming from. The only way you could possibly understand why we don't like the ending is to play the entire game, preferably the series, from start to end doing all missions. If you do not want to play the previous games at least ask the fans on here about the details to certain plots. You will be able to see that the ending just does not match the rest of the game. It feels completely different. Its like driving through a forest and all of a sudden you are in a scorching desert with no transition or warning.

[kleindropper]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

count_4 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...
You can learn from your fans, so on the next book you don't make the same mistakes.  But you don't go back and rewrite an entire novel you've already spent all your creative jucies on.

Well, BioWare is just doing that with Deception.
Probably because there the objective mistakes were obvious enough for them to force a reaction. They couldn't claim it to be just artistic freedom...

Remember, in order for them to make changes they have to regather that same team of writers and ask them to change it.  Believe me, that's not a happy group of writers.  They are probably hurt right now from some of the destructive feedback they got.  That caused them to be defensive.  They honestly felt this was a good ending, hence their surprise.  But from what Ray says, they want constructive feedback, they appreciate their fans, and they want to make this right.  

I don't know how it's possible for the same writers who made the heart wrenching moments they did through 3 games could think that this ending is good or makes sense.

[Necroscope]

What the hell is a "game content initiative?"

[s4nk4r1]

SimonM72 wrote...

The thing that I find personally so frustrating is that Bioware appear of the opinion (first from Casey and now from Ray) that the creative team at Bioware are proud of the ending and wanted it to be memorable. Thats fine and I appreciate what they were trying to do, but a key point is missed here in an effort to dictate the ending and secure legacy.

This really did not need to be done and I believe this is where you slipped up.
These are our stories we have been working on for five years, of course any effort to shoehorn an ending into your story was going to be met with disappointment, especially one so nihilistic in-tone.
What Bioware should of realised as a key point in all of this, is to not put their ending above our RPG stories and consider RPG story replayability above said artistic ending.

I have appreciated the Mass Effect team's creativity and artistic direction over the last five years, but whipping away control of our Shepard's destinies at the 11th hour for an exercise in nihilism (that I personally feel destroys the trilogy's RPG replayability) was not what Mass Effect needed and I thought it a selfish artistic decision.

Ray, Casey. If you want to secure legacy for Mass Effect and ensure it is memorable, Its simple;
All you need to do is give us the players, the directors of our own trilogy stories, the tools, the endings representitive of our choices we've built up over the last five years (as promised pre-release).
Give us the tools to finish our stories, that is fulfilling Mass Effects potential, that is what is going to secure legacy. Enable us to do this and we your fans will do the rest assuring the Mass Effect franchise popularity going forwards.

With love and respect to the creative team for the best sci-fi franchise since StarWars™.
I look forward to Mass Effect fulfilling its potential and becoming just as potent a cultural phenomenon.

This. Thank you for expressing my thoughts much better than I could have expressed them myself.

[Madmoe77]

What an absurd statement! "How dare they!" is what it surmounted to.

If an elected official makes decisions unsupported by the people and is voted out because they failed to deliver on policy or succeed on their merits; the people are not evaluated as if they were out of touch. This is a modern trend that should be immediately stop. It defies logic. It does not reason. These companies are starting to develop a complete disconnect from the societies they work under. Notice I said under not over. As long as the consumer can diverge of their own freewill from their "goals" we have the right to disagree with our wallets, and if taken for a ride can request compensation and through word of mouth voice our displeasure-not limited to the effect of that company losing sells. I am personally finished with this company!

All of my more seasoned associates will follow. We are parents and hobby gamers, controlling the money in our households. This is the last straw. From incomplete titles to "artistic" endings (mind you I am an artist) we are fed up with the industry as it is today. This is the rule of business. Keep your heart out of the register or do business in different ways.

This is a definitive statement. Notice it is not laced with soliloquy and protective speech. Bioware dropped the ball before the touchdown-not the customer.

[ThePanzer99]

Sequin wrote...

The important thing to take from this is that they will more than likely not make an ending like this ever, ever again. And regardless of what happens, that is all I want to know. If I invest my time again, give it a meaningful, logical, brilliant conclusion. Thanks, Ray, for giving a statement.

^ this is a great point and one I hadn't thought of. I've reached a point where I'm ready to just write the company off and avoid thier games. BUT, even if they don't fix ME3 this will be a teachable moment for the company. When someone as high level in a company as Ray has to do damage control, they've REALLY upset their customers.They can still blow it in the future, but this fiasco should be an eye opener for the company. It makes me slightly reconsider walking.

[beccathelion]

I think this does more damage to BW's cause than anything so far. It's subtle fan slander meets "look, the critics love us, get over it." I'll wait until April, but my bags are packed and by the door.

[alberta]

Hold up people - I follow politics very closely and I do know from politics when one of the very top officials makes a statement in the form of a strong hint that the pressure has reached the very top of the food chain - then we can all rest assured the ending saga has also reached the top of the BW food chain as well. There is very active discussions going on behind the scenes about the ending problem - and as in politics the top usually acknowledges their problem in the form of hints. Mild blaming is the usual course of action as BW themselves did in this statement.

What is extremely important - is to acknowledge they have a problem which the BW statement clearly acknowledged - now BW is in active talks how to resolve the problem given their written end, and then how to move beyond that point and continue the Sheppard saga with another game to bring full closure to this series. If you read what they're planning from their hints this is where BW is now concentrating their thinking. It's very clearly demonstrated for the rest of his statements they see a full game yet to be delivered.

[Captiosus77]

Vromrig wrote...
 Also, undermined by "Drink More Ovaltine" message at end.

Artistic integrity sold to advertise more Ovaltine. Now give us ending.

A Christmas Story reference FTW!

My other issue with the "artistic integrity" argument, at this point, is most of us have seen the jotted notes that blatantly reference The Matrix Revolutions and "Lots of Speculation". When one starts breaking down how an ending will be received (speculation) and is obviously copied from another source (Matrix, Deus Ex), the "artistic integrity" argument no longer holds any merit.

It would be like writing a book only to get to the last chapter and sacrificing everything written just to generate a specific reaction. If art is done well, it can be controversial or support speculation without being forced. Instead, this felt like being tacked in just to create a reaction or because they couldn't figure out how to wrap it up within a certain time frame.

[Blue Liara]

Captain Arty wrote...

 I'm glad Dr. Muzyka made this statement. I think it directly addresses our concerns while explaining the thought processes of the development team. I understand their reservations in altering an ending to a story they put so much effort and thought into.

I think it also shows that they are not trying to scam us, and I hope members of the fanbase that suggest as much will take it to heart. They tried to deliver us a fitting ending and just missed the mark. Let's remain constructive in our criticism.

I wish you were right. But this statement still seems like deflectiong PR spin and a bunch of Rubbish. How does it directly address our concerns? It does not address anything. Does it tell us they ARE going to make a change. Or that the ending was poorly done? No it says some people think it was not a good ending so we are going to deal with them....somehow. They are still trying to quell the fire so that the pressure is removed. They want this out of the news. They are in complete damage control. Don't let up. Do not accept anything short of a complete acknowledgement that they were wrong.

HOLD THE LINE!!!

Modifié par Blue Liara, 21 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[MattFini]

This is a great start.

I feel very optimistic about this, and I don't think this will simply be some stupid Genesis comic, or anything. They know more people hate the ending than don't (no matter what they say), and it sounds like they actually might do something about it.

I'm being cautious, but I'm being hopeful.

[Dionkey]

Honestly, if anyone pays for an ending, you're the biggest moron to walk this earth. Seriously, you're just going to encourage more companies into doing the same things.

[TheTrueObelus]

The current end of the game is artistically indefensible. It's just straight up bad storytelling. It doesn't make sense. It's not in the spirit of the rest of the trilogy. It answers almost nothing. It is unbefitting of the amazing work that preceded it.

I'm sure it's painful for the developers of such an amazing series of games to accept they goofed this badly and in this letter I'm still seeing resistance to that reality. However If Bioware finally does accept that they goofed they can then move forward and write the epic ending we all know they can produce.

If that happens I for one will applaud them.

[BecBec]

Walrusninja wrote...

So, they actually genuinely intended to make an ending that nonsensical and appalling? Consider my faith in them shattered.

Ditto!

[Faunwea]

 For some reason this article leaves me worried and disappointed rather than relieved...

[Torrible]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

saracen16 wrote...



Artistic integrity and the themes of the game come from BioWare, not the players. As for DLC, that's always an option, but it's their prerogative as to what they do to it.

This.  

[Melchiah109]

This was totally planned. April? PAX East? If it was some impromptu thing they'd be giving us a lot more information about it.