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[xiaoassassin]

Justice prevails.

[Delduwath Mordion]

I'm obviously not reading the same message as most people here judging from the comments. Comments like those made by KeldorKatarn seriously makes me question humanity.

[kunzite]

alberta wrote...

Hold up people - I follow politics very closely and I do know from politics when one of the very top officials makes a statement in the form of a strong hint that the pressure has reached the very top of the food chain - then we can all rest assured the ending saga has also reached the top of the BW food chain as well. There is very active discussions going on behind the scenes about the ending problem - and as in politics the top usually acknowledges their problem in the form of hints. Mild blaming is the usual course of action as BW themselves did in this statement.

What is extremely important - is to acknowledge they have a problem which the BW statement clearly acknowledged - now BW is in active talks how to resolve the problem given their written end, and then how to move beyond that point and continue the Sheppard saga with another game to bring full closure to this series. If you read what they're planning from their hints this is where BW is now concentrating their thinking. It's very clearly demonstrated for the rest of his statements they see a full game yet to be delivered.

I was going to make a similar point. This is not just some intern fluffer posting a response. This is the Bioware Co-Founder. The General Manager. While many people are busy getting upset by what was not said, look at some of the stuff that was said. They are investigating options. They are developing more content, including full games. the ME universe is not gone, not destroyed. Thus....there must be things they are planning.

They didnt expect our reaction, nor the intensity of that reaction, and for the GM/Co-Founder to appeal to us, rather than Casey or Chris or any of the other names normally assocaited with ME....this is a big deal. We are at the top, and we most certainly have their attention.

That in itself is giving me reason to hold the line a bit longer. To trust, at least until April, to see what they will come up with. I wont buy any DLC or products between now and then, but I reserve the right to do so if I like what I hear come April.

Let's not get upset, folks. It's a step in the right direction.

[Niniva]

Somethings better than nothing at all, we'll just have to see what they have planned.

[KeldorKatarn]

Dionkey wrote...

Honestly, if anyone pays for an ending, you're the biggest moron to walk this earth. Seriously, you're just going to encourage more companies into doing the same things.

This. I find the entire statement extremely offensive. He constantly falls back on the critics (WE pay your bills buddy, not the critics. You pay them. You pay them for adds for whatever, they cannot afford to lose you, WE can!) and constantly refers to us in third person and as a minority and in the end he doesn't close with an appology but again with telling us that if we don't play nice we get kicked.

I see nothing positive in that. Yeah they feel pressured so the big boss answeres, but the WAY he answers tells me a lot.

He calls bad writing and an ending that makes no sense and is highly offensive an "artistic choice"

He admits that the first reaction is hide behind critics.

He repeatedly identifies critics with the majority of the customers.

He repeatedly states that they will explain, not change.

He says that anything coming will be part of a content initiative. read as: we'll sell it to you. No freebies.

He says that the reaction is a surprise, admiting incompetency and not having done any target audience checks beforehand, and goes onto hiding behind critics again right after that ("But the critics love us, so get over it")

Sorry, anybody who thinks this is good news and is actually considering to buy a DLC in April... thanks for ruining what this industry used to be about.

Modifié par KeldorKatarn, 21 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[BadlyBrowned]

Bioware continues to bunker down.

Furthermore, with every comment it feels (to me) that Bioware clearly had conflict with how to resolve Shepard's trilogy whilst also leaving the door open for more games in the Mass Effect universe. Thus, we ended up with this garbled mess.

[thebatmanreborn]

count_4 wrote...

kleindropper wrote...
I don't know how it's possible for the same writers who made the heart wrenching moments they did through 3 games could think that this ending is good or makes sense.

It's quite easy to explain: The heart-wrenching moments were not written by Walters, the ending was.
And when the others protested he probably pulled out his lead writer status and forced his ending through. That last part is just speculation, the first one is meant serious, however.

No, that's not how it works on  a television set, so I highly doubt it works like that in a video game team (In fact, I'm quite sure it's not after reading a blog post written by Drew, one of the creators of the Mass effect universe).  All of the writers had a hand in every scene throughout the entire game.  They pitch ideas back and forth; usually on a white board.  I'm not sure their reasoning.  Ask them at PAX.  Seriously, I would like to know too.  

[MrCorvin]

"Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole"

That is the issue to some people. The ending really does affect the game as a whole, "I did all of THAT...for this?"

So it's difficult to actually gush about the awesome things in the game.

[zennyrpg]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Bioware. You do not understand where we are coming from. The only way you could possibly understand why we don't like the ending is to play the entire game, preferably the series, from start to end doing all missions..

They do PLAY their own games right?  Right?  Do they not have people who test these things or review the scripts before hand?  Maybe not, considering no one caught the face import bug.  That means no one at bioware popped the game into their system with all the old saves and said "hey we should check this worked right before we release it".

In the case of harry potter I hated the ending because it felt like the author was writing fan fiction, too in love with the story to make hard choices about who lives and who dies.  But now I see the flipside- bioware seems to not be in love with their story at all and has no problem trashing it for no good reason at the end.

[Dionkey]

KeldorKatarn wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Honestly, if anyone pays for an ending, you're the biggest moron to walk this earth. Seriously, you're just going to encourage more companies into doing the same things.

This. I find the entire statement extremely offensive. He constantly falls back on the critics (WE pay your bills buddy, not the critics. You pay them. You pay them for adds for whatever, they cannot afford to lose you, WE can!) and constantly refers to us in third person and as a minority and in the end he doesn't close with an appology but again with telling us that if we don't play nice we get kicked.

I see nothing positive in that. Yeah they feel pressured so the big boss answeres, but the WAY he answers tells me a lot.

He calls bad writing and an ending that makes no sense and is highly offensive an "artistic choice"

He admits that the first reaction is hide behind critics.

He repeatedly identifies critics with the majority of the customers.

He repeatedly states that they will explain, not change.

He says that anything coming will be part of a content initiative. read as: we'll sell it to you. No freebies.

He says that the reaction is a surprise, admiting incompetency and not having done any target audience checks beforehand, and goes onto hiding behind critics again right after that ("But the critics love us, so get over it")

Sorry, anybody who thinks this is good news and is actually considering to buy a DLC in April... thanks for ruining what this industry used to be about.

By far the best post I've ever seen on this board. Bravo.

[Vromrig]

No, that's not how it works on a television set, so I highly doubt it works like that in a video game team (In fact, I'm quite sure it's not after reading a blog post written by Drew, one of the creators of the Mass effect universe). All of the writers had a hand in every scene throughout the entire game. They pitch ideas back and forth; usually on a white board. I'm not sure their reasoning. Ask them at PAX. Seriously, I would like to know too.

Closer to truth. Lies in between. Writing is team collective. Lead writer and smaller writers contribute to every scene. Final scene likely not fault of Mac Walters. Reeks of Casey Hudson. Producerial involvement. Occurs frequently in game industry. Producer out of touch, too busy writing budgets, planning luncheons, whipping QA testers. Decides they want story inclusion. Told not plausible. Forces anyway. He signs check after all.

[Rhi-Lan]

 BioWare once again proves they are the greatest game creators of all time. Humble, direct feedback in the face of consumer rage attacks on their artistic Mass Effect finale. Bravo Dr. Muzyka. You have cemented my loyalty to your company, and I cannot wait to continue playing in the amazing worlds you craft for us! 
As for the constructive feedback you requested? I just want the Mass Effect universe to continue on a galactic scale. It's time to rebuild. To Casey Hudson and everyone on the Mass Effect team, whatever your decision I'm behind you, but please keep Mass Effect alive. I'm a huge fan. Thanks for listening.

[brian_breed]

MrCorvin wrote...

"Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole"

That is the issue to some people. The ending really does affect the game as a whole, "I did all of THAT...for this?"

So it's difficult to actually gush about the awesome things in the game.

You can write an awesome 20th century novel dissertation that's carefully planned, sourced, and argued. But if your concluding chapter extols the virtues of kittens, you didn't write a good dissertation.

[megabug7]

Extremely surprised by these developments.

There is hope after all.

Thank you.

[JPR1964]

Well, sorry, but PR talk to me...

Don't be fooled...

Hold the line...

Personnaly I don' give a damn about art in a game where I've passed 500 hours of my time, where I've bought all contents possible...

Art is nice in a museum, even in a movie, a theather, or concert... If I don't like something, that's ok, it's only 2 hours of my life, not 500...

There was promises made, and based on those promises I bought again all content possible for ME3... I believed in Bioware, based on my experience of the previous games... If I had ever imagined that we will got THIS in the end, NEVER I'd bought ME3...  

I feel cheated, tricked and lied by Bioware... And this is a very distatefull taste...

I don't want to guess anything about MY shepard at the end : I have 8-10 of them waiting in the line, every one of them with a different story, and I CANNOT imagine for them 8-10 different ending with the 3 colours we get...

And the end story is really AWFUL for a scifi fan like me...

So until I have some degree satisfaction, that I don't feel cheated anymore, my support to EA/Bioware is totally disclosed...

I'm angry for sure, for 500 hours at least... 

JPR out!

Modifié par JPR1964, 21 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[DigitalMaster37]

I am goin to reiterate my point of view for anyone with a pair of eyes and common sense. You all are so drunk with protest that you can't even see progress when it smacks you in the face. Every step I victory. I am now starting to believe those main sites, the lot of you are entitled brats that need to have a life reality check. Wake the f*** up!

[Blue Liara]

Dionkey wrote...

KeldorKatarn wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Honestly, if anyone pays for an ending, you're the biggest moron to walk this earth. Seriously, you're just going to encourage more companies into doing the same things.

This. I find the entire statement extremely offensive. He constantly falls back on the critics (WE pay your bills buddy, not the critics. You pay them. You pay them for adds for whatever, they cannot afford to lose you, WE can!) and constantly refers to us in third person and as a minority and in the end he doesn't close with an appology but again with telling us that if we don't play nice we get kicked.

I see nothing positive in that. Yeah they feel pressured so the big boss answeres, but the WAY he answers tells me a lot.

He calls bad writing and an ending that makes no sense and is highly offensive an "artistic choice"

He admits that the first reaction is hide behind critics.

He repeatedly identifies critics with the majority of the customers.

He repeatedly states that they will explain, not change.

He says that anything coming will be part of a content initiative. read as: we'll sell it to you. No freebies.

He says that the reaction is a surprise, admiting incompetency and not having done any target audience checks beforehand, and goes onto hiding behind critics again right after that ("But the critics love us, so get over it")

Sorry, anybody who thinks this is good news and is actually considering to buy a DLC in April... thanks for ruining what this industry used to be about.

By far the best post I've ever seen on this board. Bravo.

Agree with everything in this post. KEEP on the Pressure. We DON"T want an EXPLANATION. We want a new ending. 

HOLD THE LINE

[thebatmanreborn]

Vromrig wrote...



Closer to truth. Lies in between. Writing is team collective. Lead writer and smaller writers contribute to every scene. Final scene likely not fault of Mac Walters. Reeks of Casey Hudson. Producerial involvement. Occurs frequently in game industry. Producer out of touch, too busy writing budgets, planning luncheons, whipping QA testers. Decides they want story inclusion. Told not plausible. Forces anyway. He signs check after all.

I like how you captured Mordin's voice so well!

[Kurokenshi]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

This is the first sign that something will actually happen addressing our grievances with the non-ending Casey Hudson chose to implement.

Nevertheless, if the news in April doesn't address the endings directly, I will write Bioware off. And until a DLC is released that addresses the endings, I will not be buying any other DLC.

QFT

[IronMadness]

>I link http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
>"We want to hear your feedback."
>Comments closed.

Really?.

[ShepardMyFriend]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I am goin to reiterate my point of view for anyone with a pair of eyes and common sense. You all are so drunk with protest that you can't even see progress when it smacks you in the face. Every step I victory. I am now starting to believe those main sites, the lot of you are entitled brats that need to have a life reality check. Wake the f*** up!

I agree 100%. The fact that people are STILL criticizing BioWare is crazy.

[TheShinySword]

Well folks, I think this is good news overall. Sure it's a vague, carefully crafted message that says nothing of real importance out right but the fact that someone this high up the chain of command felt the need to speak out means we're getting through. Keep pushing, keep holding. We are the most loyal and most passionate fans and we will be heard!

[lucidfox]

MadMackNT_os wrote...

That's an awful lot of text to say nothing.

^

It might as well have been "blah blah PRspeak blah blah big vague post of nothing".

[CreepingGeth]

I love Vromrig.

[Sakanade]

kunzite wrote...

alberta wrote...

Hold up people - I follow politics very closely and I do know from politics when one of the very top officials makes a statement in the form of a strong hint that the pressure has reached the very top of the food chain - then we can all rest assured the ending saga has also reached the top of the BW food chain as well. There is very active discussions going on behind the scenes about the ending problem - and as in politics the top usually acknowledges their problem in the form of hints. Mild blaming is the usual course of action as BW themselves did in this statement.

What is extremely important - is to acknowledge they have a problem which the BW statement clearly acknowledged - now BW is in active talks how to resolve the problem given their written end, and then how to move beyond that point and continue the Sheppard saga with another game to bring full closure to this series. If you read what they're planning from their hints this is where BW is now concentrating their thinking. It's very clearly demonstrated for the rest of his statements they see a full game yet to be delivered.

I was going to make a similar point. This is not just some intern fluffer posting a response. This is the Bioware Co-Founder. The General Manager. While many people are busy getting upset by what was not said, look at some of the stuff that was said. They are investigating options. They are developing more content, including full games. the ME universe is not gone, not destroyed. Thus....there must be things they are planning.

They didnt expect our reaction, nor the intensity of that reaction, and for the GM/Co-Founder to appeal to us, rather than Casey or Chris or any of the other names normally assocaited with ME....this is a big deal. We are at the top, and we most certainly have their attention.

That in itself is giving me reason to hold the line a bit longer. To trust, at least until April, to see what they will come up with. I wont buy any DLC or products between now and then, but I reserve the right to do so if I like what I hear come April.

Let's not get upset, folks. It's a step in the right direction.

This, a million times this.