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[Ibn_Shisha]

I had to lol about the blog post telling us our feedback is important, then scrolling down to the bottom and seeing "Comments are closed."

[JPR1964]

@Keldorkatarn

Agreed one hundred percent!

Hold the line!

JPR

[alx119]

Vromrig wrote...

No, that's not how it works on a television set, so I highly doubt it works like that in a video game team (In fact, I'm quite sure it's not after reading a blog post written by Drew, one of the creators of the Mass effect universe). All of the writers had a hand in every scene throughout the entire game. They pitch ideas back and forth; usually on a white board. I'm not sure their reasoning. Ask them at PAX. Seriously, I would like to know too.

Closer to truth. Lies in between. Writing is team collective. Lead writer and smaller writers contribute to every scene. Final scene likely not fault of Mac Walters. Reeks of Casey Hudson. Producerial involvement. Occurs frequently in game industry. Producer out of touch, too busy writing budgets, planning luncheons, whipping QA testers. Decides they want story inclusion. Told not plausible. Forces anyway. He signs check after all.

Mordinnnnn~ 
I was missing you already. 
Your post already made me forget about that statement. You're a good doctor. 

[MwRDKY]

Good news is - it means Bioware finally feel the heat and fury, because in terms of punker factor this is several magnitude worse than the FoxNews thingy back in ME1, now that some of our fellows have brought the feds into the equation.

The bad news is - there's still no telling how they'd actually answer to our demand...y'know, they could "answer the questions" with a Q&A instead of churn out a better ending!

Or screw us over with a few new entries in the codex!

So... KEEP HOLDING THE LINE!

[tekkaman fear]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

I don't know how it's possible for the same writers who made the heart wrenching moments they did through 3 games could think that this ending is good or makes sense.

That I can't answer.  Maybe ask them?

i guess it's like Lebron James, heck of a player but chokes at the end of the 4th. Some people just cant do pressure.

[Dionkey]

IronMadness wrote...

>I link http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
>"We want to hear your feedback."
>Comments closed.

Really?.

They're worse than Activision and Capcom combined. I have no interest in doing anything with their products but burning them. PR sucks, developers either don't care or are mentally handicapped, small pockets of fans who defend them to the death, big-money DLC to fix all of their problems, etc. etc.

[brian_breed]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Bioware continues to bunker down.

Furthermore, with every comment it feels (to me) that Bioware clearly had conflict with how to resolve Shepard's trilogy whilst also [n]leaving the door open for more games in the Mass Effect universe.[/b] Thus, we ended up with this garbled mess.

This. Screw the artistic integrity horse-crap. It's about how to squeeze more cash out of this cow.

[Asedious]

 

Dr. Ray Muzyka wrote:

If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust[/i] that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

 

I believe this piece is also very important. From my point of view it shows that they're starting to take economic hits because of all this: "Tell your friends if you feel it's a good game as a whole". Of course we think it's a good game, an exceptional one, everything but the endings, and our disapproval for those is becoming more important than the rest of the game. Don't get me wrong, I am part of this and I hope we get the endings this game and franchise deserves. It just caught my attention than they're asking us to spread the voice that other should buy the game, after all "Bioware is already working on a fix for the endings" At least that's what I see in those statements.

Modifié par Asedious, 21 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[HackNFly]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I am goin to reiterate my point of view for anyone with a pair of eyes and common sense. You all are so drunk with protest that you can't even see progress when it smacks you in the face. Every step I victory. I am now starting to believe those main sites, the lot of you are entitled brats that need to have a life reality check. Wake the f*** up!

I have to agree.  This is progress. Obviously there is some PR spin on it, but the GM is acknowleding our concerns and has given us an unofficial "date" for progress.  He's also hinting at more games in the Mass Effect universe, and saying they'll make it right.  I'm sure every word of this was carefully scrutinized.  NO company is going to admit fault, but this is certainly a step in the right direction.  I personally felt this statement was less patronizing than the statement from Casey Hudson.  Can't wait to see what our PR expert has to say about this.

[Jimbe2693]

I'm happy we got this response.

Though this "artistic integrity" crap worries me. If they think they can keep the ending pretty much as it is and slap on an epilogue...

Modifié par Jimbe2693, 21 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[rev1976]

he used a LOT of words to say exactly nothing except that critics ratings are worth more than the fans. specificly 75 critics are greater than 50,000+ fans.

people are drooling over this statement but what did he really say?
"oh he said their working on adding to the story with dlc" - yeah? we knew that already, they always were gonna do that, where does he specificly say 'change the ending with some dlc'? *hint: he doesnt*
"he said he was listening with humility yadda yadda" - seriously? that is a canned PR response that sounds like an apology without actually saying anything of the sort.
tbh i very much doubt that he even had a hand in this statement and its almost certainly written by a PR drone, a guy who has invested 8 years of his life to creating such a vast and interactive story couldnt possibly see that cop out ending as any kind of conclusion - not unless hes been pickled in the EA coolaid and paid to think different.

"space magic" made him do it

Modifié par rev1976, 21 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[megabug7]

kunzite wrote...

alberta wrote...

Hold up people - I follow politics very closely and I do know from politics when one of the very top officials makes a statement in the form of a strong hint that the pressure has reached the very top of the food chain - then we can all rest assured the ending saga has also reached the top of the BW food chain as well. There is very active discussions going on behind the scenes about the ending problem - and as in politics the top usually acknowledges their problem in the form of hints. Mild blaming is the usual course of action as BW themselves did in this statement.

What is extremely important - is to acknowledge they have a problem which the BW statement clearly acknowledged - now BW is in active talks how to resolve the problem given their written end, and then how to move beyond that point and continue the Sheppard saga with another game to bring full closure to this series. If you read what they're planning from their hints this is where BW is now concentrating their thinking. It's very clearly demonstrated for the rest of his statements they see a full game yet to be delivered.

I was going to make a similar point. This is not just some intern fluffer posting a response. This is the Bioware Co-Founder. The General Manager. While many people are busy getting upset by what was not said, look at some of the stuff that was said. They are investigating options. They are developing more content, including full games. the ME universe is not gone, not destroyed. Thus....there must be things they are planning.

They didnt expect our reaction, nor the intensity of that reaction, and for the GM/Co-Founder to appeal to us, rather than Casey or Chris or any of the other names normally assocaited with ME....this is a big deal. We are at the top, and we most certainly have their attention.

That in itself is giving me reason to hold the line a bit longer. To trust, at least until April, to see what they will come up with. I wont buy any DLC or products between now and then, but I reserve the right to do so if I like what I hear come April.

Let's not get upset, folks. It's a step in the right direction.

Well said

[KelaSaar]

I really want to have faith in Bioware, and I know that they have to do this PR spin stuff, but it gets really frustrating and disheartening. I wish they would just admit they screwed up and fix it. I've always loved the Mass Effect universe, but if these endings stay, then I'm just done with it. No multiplayer, no DLC, no future games, nothing.

[Nyctyris]

Hey, give them a chance. They're in a difficult position (okay, of their own making - but that makes it harder not easier to deal with) and they want to defend their team while still pleasing fans.

They seem genuinely crushed by the reaction, probably as crushed as fans were by the ambiguity and bizarreness of RedGreenBlue. At least they're reaching out and saying something, and at least they're beginning to make efforts in the right direction.

Just keep "holding the line" and directing the feedback very specifically - if everyone says "just want closure" that's probably what you'll get, OTOH if everyone says "please do a re-do" that might well become a possibility, who knows.

[RolandX9]

On the one hand, this is a huge, huge victory, IMO. They've admitted that they can't ignore the failure of their ending (a: ending singular; b: insufficient; c: sloppy). They get that we love the series and wanted the ending(s) to be awesome. They're going to work on giving us something better, and they're getting on it ASAP.

OTOH, we're getting "artistic integrity" (when they've openly admitted that they were still trying to decide on an ending after ME2 came out), bashing an incredibly ill-defined "some" of the fans for being "destructive" (it's the internet, so the existence of cloaca-hats is simple fact, but this seems deliberately broad), and the resort to "but the critics loved it" (because video game critics are totally not invested in games being taken seriously as a medium and didn't desperately want ME3 to prove it). I'll give this a chance (and hopefully the Hold The Line community will do the same), but the proof will be in the pudding. And the new ending. Here's hoping.

[IronMadness]

Dionkey wrote...

IronMadness wrote...

>I link http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
>"We want to hear your feedback."
>Comments closed.

Really?.

They're worse than Activision and Capcom combined. I have no interest in doing anything with their products but burning them. PR sucks, developers either don't care or are mentally handicapped, small pockets of fans who defend them to the death, big-money DLC to fix all of their problems, etc. etc.

This is a JOKE!. They killed the series for the dirty money, bought reviews, deceived us and now are the victims? "Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings Offered by critics", REALLY???

[Asari23]

 It's great to finally hear something from bioware, but this isn't the something we wanted to hear.

Modifié par Asari23, 21 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[Fulgrim88]

Sakanade wrote...

kunzite wrote...

alberta wrote...

Hold up people - I follow politics very closely and I do know from politics when one of the very top officials makes a statement in the form of a strong hint that the pressure has reached the very top of the food chain - then we can all rest assured the ending saga has also reached the top of the BW food chain as well. There is very active discussions going on behind the scenes about the ending problem - and as in politics the top usually acknowledges their problem in the form of hints. Mild blaming is the usual course of action as BW themselves did in this statement.

What is extremely important - is to acknowledge they have a problem which the BW statement clearly acknowledged - now BW is in active talks how to resolve the problem given their written end, and then how to move beyond that point and continue the Sheppard saga with another game to bring full closure to this series. If you read what they're planning from their hints this is where BW is now concentrating their thinking. It's very clearly demonstrated for the rest of his statements they see a full game yet to be delivered.

I was going to make a similar point. This is not just some intern fluffer posting a response. This is the Bioware Co-Founder. The General Manager. While many people are busy getting upset by what was not said, look at some of the stuff that was said. They are investigating options. They are developing more content, including full games. the ME universe is not gone, not destroyed. Thus....there must be things they are planning.

They didnt expect our reaction, nor the intensity of that reaction, and for the GM/Co-Founder to appeal to us, rather than Casey or Chris or any of the other names normally assocaited with ME....this is a big deal. We are at the top, and we most certainly have their attention.

That in itself is giving me reason to hold the line a bit longer. To trust, at least until April, to see what they will come up with. I wont buy any DLC or products between now and then, but I reserve the right to do so if I like what I hear come April.

Let's not get upset, folks. It's a step in the right direction.

This, a million times this.

This indeed.

Just hoping they got the right message and are working on the things they've promised us.

Not just on more closure for a single nonsensical ending, that nobody asked for

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 21 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Revanmug]

Gigaheart wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...
 wall of text..

So...your editor, agent and publisher, who gets the money, can tell you how to write and your fans, who gives the money, can't? As Mr. Spock would say: "Illogical."

That is not even the worst...

This story is a piece of art! No, every story is a piece of art!

...

Can someone give an accurate and very precise definition of art and mostly, where it said it had to be kept intact? Because if you are going with the "every story is art and must be protected"... you are opening another "can of worms". At this point, every single thing someone does can be consider art and so, protect from anything else! This picture is art! This structure is art! This drawing is art! This car is art! Those sticks glue togeter is art! This meal is art! This plant is art! This hole is art! This **** I took there is art! etc etc...

There is nothing stoping people from using that excuse because let's not hide it, using the "it is art" to PRESERVE something is nothing else but an excuse. Things that are unique and special worth keeping won't be needing this excuse. It will come naturaly.

And sorry, the me3 ending is soo deja vu, it is really boring. ME3 didn't need any special ending to be consider unique. It already had it's universe. Universe that got pretty much destroy in the hope to make a memorable ending.

...

well, I guess everybody will remember the ending...

[CroGamer002]

"You’ll hear more on this in April"


Wait.

"The Truth" DLC might be real?

[Blue Liara]

"As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support"

What the hell does that even mean? "As artists" Seems to me double speak for we care for our fans but more about are artistic integrity.....(whatever the hell that means!?)

[MwRDKY]

rev1976 wrote...


he used a LOT of words to say exactly nothing except that critics ratings are worth more than the fans. specificly 75 critics are greater than 50,000+ fans.

people are drooling over this statement but what did he really say?
"oh he said their working on adding to the story with dlc" - yeah? we knew that already, they always were gonna do that, where does he specificly say 'change the ending with some dlc'? *hint: he doesnt*
"he said he was listening with humility yadda yadda" - seriously? that is a canned PR response that sounds like an apology without actually saying anything of the sort.
tbh i very much doubt that he even had a hand in this statement and its almost certainly written by a PR drone, a guy who has invested 8 years of his life to creating such a vast and interactive story couldnt possibly see that cop out ending as any kind of conclusion - not unless hes been pickled in the EA coolaid and paid to think different.

"space magic" made him do it

Like I've said, there's no stopping them Bioware to screw us over in April, if so they choose...

[alx119]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I am goin to reiterate my point of view for anyone with a pair of eyes and common sense. You all are so drunk with protest that you can't even see progress when it smacks you in the face. Every step I victory. I am now starting to believe those main sites, the lot of you are entitled brats that need to have a life reality check. Wake the f*** up!

Just because you are ok with this doesn't mean other have to be.

They are on their own rights to protest when they feel undermined and ignored. If that's not your case, aweosme, move on.

But others are making completely valid points against it, instead of saying "that's disgusting" you should try and debate them, so a discussion can actually emerge and both opinions be shared in a more constructive manner. 

[Renew81]

ShepardMyFriend wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I am goin to reiterate my point of view for anyone with a pair of eyes and common sense. You all are so drunk with protest that you can't even see progress when it smacks you in the face. Every step I victory. I am now starting to believe those main sites, the lot of you are entitled brats that need to have a life reality check. Wake the f*** up!

I agree 100%. The fact that people are STILL criticizing BioWare is crazy.

Right because after the statement all form of opinions / discussions / freedom of speech should stop.<_<

[Senario]

Glad for the response but please...It isn't hard to follow the formula that ME 1-2 set the precedent for. Make your choices factor into the final scenes, give us an option for a GOOD ending, I repeat, AN OPTION. If somebody spent their time completing everything or near everything, they should have a satisfying good ending like ME1-2.

I'm sure bioware could make a lot of people happy by removing the starchild and following similar themes of the ending to what ME1-2 had. Without the continuation for a new ME game. You can make a bittersweet ending, but please...Give us a Sweet, bittersweet, bad, and all the in between endings you promised when you said 16 DIFFERENT endings.