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#577
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:40
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A few people being a bit too bitter in this thread. As I see it, Muzyka does his level best to both support his team and embrace the demands of the fans. While I don't agree with everything he says, I understand his predicament and feel he has demonstrated that he has some spine by coming out with this sooner rather than later. Of course, they must now live up to their promises, but I'll trust them to do that untill proven wrong.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:40
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UprightMan671 wrote...
So 75 critics @$60/game = $4500
Since when do critics pay. They GET payed for putting adds on their pages and whatnot. They COST money. if only the shipping cost of the free test copy.
HOLD THE LINE!
#579
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:40
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I just have one question: WHY THE RUBBLE SCENE?! WHY?
I can live with this ending to the series, I seriously can, would it not be for the fact that IN GAME the ending is countered. This is not a fan created idea, the game ITSELF implies the ending is not a real ending. That has to be explained in my opinion. The Mass Effect story can't end in an Inception like state, I really think that does not justify the solidness of the universe and I could not fathom it if the writers would want to discredit reality in s dubious way.
On a sidenote I actually have more problems with the small squadmate choice and the lack of influence on how the war itself is fought (which race/army does what exactly), but oh well...
I can live with this ending to the series, I seriously can, would it not be for the fact that IN GAME the ending is countered. This is not a fan created idea, the game ITSELF implies the ending is not a real ending. That has to be explained in my opinion. The Mass Effect story can't end in an Inception like state, I really think that does not justify the solidness of the universe and I could not fathom it if the writers would want to discredit reality in s dubious way.
On a sidenote I actually have more problems with the small squadmate choice and the lack of influence on how the war itself is fought (which race/army does what exactly), but oh well...
#580
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:41
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I'm sorry but I cannot respect the writers "artistic views" because there's nothing artistic about the last 10 minutes... Maybe if the indoctrination theory were true, then it'd be artistic. Maybe if you planned this all along and you planned on releasing ending dlc, I suppose the last 10 minutes could be "artistic...
however, taken at face value? It's a cheap cop out. Lazy incompetent writing.....if this is the real end, then it is indeed a tragedy....The 3 ME games sit on the top of my stack of countless games....for the final 10 minutes, to make me never want to play them again, speaks volumes
Where's the final fight with Harbinger....as a matter of fact, Where the Hell is Harbinger the entire game?! Where's the varying endings that take into account all of your decisions throughout the game/series, as demonstrated so seamlessly in Mass Effect 2?! Where's my closure? In fact where's my $300 I've spent on 3 games, a strategy guide, an art book and a graphic novel?
Bioware better hope that an ending dlc was planned all along, and that the last 10 mins were an intended plot twist....if not, then I'm done. Been a loyal fan to Bioware for 15 years now....I know I'm only one person, but be aware, there are many that share my feelings.
Personal story(nobody probably cares):
A week before the game came out I had my first tattoo drawn up....it was so epic....I was getting a sleeve on my arm, collage of all the major squadmates and villains of the ME universe(think like the cover art for Star Wars movies, only with ME characters instead)
Needless to say, I never scheduled my appointment to get tatted....I beat the game....and haven't touched any of my ME products since then....
instead, for the first time ever I created an account on a forum in order to let it be known that I WAS an avid supporter of Bioware and ME WAS my favorite game ever....but after the way they spit on us after 3 games and 5 years, I can't even power on my Xbox....
Oh and as you can see, I'm not the only one that signed onto these forums for the first time, just to give you a piece of my mind and voice my distaste. I'm not the only one. We're on every thread. And just imagine all the people out there that don't have the time to.sign up and voice the same sentiments as I....they're out there
If they want to ruin my favorite game.series ever, than I truly hope Bioware fails as a studio....but I don't need to hope, because if this is the real ending, they won't have any trouble collapsing...
And if its just a plot twist and the ending was always planned as dlc....they're geniuses
Yeah idk, you figure it out
But this statement by Ray does not make me hopeful...the way he worded it does not seem like it is in our favor....and I don't want them to craft an ending with the communities ideas...I want the ending I know Bioware is capable of....they've shown it time and again in countless games....do it one more time Bioware
...For Us
however, taken at face value? It's a cheap cop out. Lazy incompetent writing.....if this is the real end, then it is indeed a tragedy....The 3 ME games sit on the top of my stack of countless games....for the final 10 minutes, to make me never want to play them again, speaks volumes
Where's the final fight with Harbinger....as a matter of fact, Where the Hell is Harbinger the entire game?! Where's the varying endings that take into account all of your decisions throughout the game/series, as demonstrated so seamlessly in Mass Effect 2?! Where's my closure? In fact where's my $300 I've spent on 3 games, a strategy guide, an art book and a graphic novel?
Bioware better hope that an ending dlc was planned all along, and that the last 10 mins were an intended plot twist....if not, then I'm done. Been a loyal fan to Bioware for 15 years now....I know I'm only one person, but be aware, there are many that share my feelings.
Personal story(nobody probably cares):
A week before the game came out I had my first tattoo drawn up....it was so epic....I was getting a sleeve on my arm, collage of all the major squadmates and villains of the ME universe(think like the cover art for Star Wars movies, only with ME characters instead)
Needless to say, I never scheduled my appointment to get tatted....I beat the game....and haven't touched any of my ME products since then....
instead, for the first time ever I created an account on a forum in order to let it be known that I WAS an avid supporter of Bioware and ME WAS my favorite game ever....but after the way they spit on us after 3 games and 5 years, I can't even power on my Xbox....
Oh and as you can see, I'm not the only one that signed onto these forums for the first time, just to give you a piece of my mind and voice my distaste. I'm not the only one. We're on every thread. And just imagine all the people out there that don't have the time to.sign up and voice the same sentiments as I....they're out there
If they want to ruin my favorite game.series ever, than I truly hope Bioware fails as a studio....but I don't need to hope, because if this is the real ending, they won't have any trouble collapsing...
And if its just a plot twist and the ending was always planned as dlc....they're geniuses
Yeah idk, you figure it out
But this statement by Ray does not make me hopeful...the way he worded it does not seem like it is in our favor....and I don't want them to craft an ending with the communities ideas...I want the ending I know Bioware is capable of....they've shown it time and again in countless games....do it one more time Bioware
...For Us
#581
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:42
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thank jesus they are fixing this! ive been down about the endings for 2 weeks. im sad we will all have to pay 10 bucks but whatever....atleast its some better closure.
#582
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:42
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Wow, way to stroke your own ego. This whole thing was pretty much saying that they're not listening to us. I can't believe they're trying to stand by this monstrosity of an ending when the whole world is uniting to try to fix their mistake.
#583
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:43
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The problem with "artistic integrity" in this instance, is that, we the players, are part of that art. Without the players, the writers medium could never be fully realized. As we have helped bring their story, their "art", to life, our opinions as to how this cooperative effort ends are valid and should be addresses.
If this comes through DLC, so be it (Though I'm not thrilled with paying for an ending, though I likely will). Those who enjoyed the ending, they get to save some money on DLC they don't think is needed.
Overall, this is PR to quell the masses. That said, at least it's something
If this comes through DLC, so be it (Though I'm not thrilled with paying for an ending, though I likely will). Those who enjoyed the ending, they get to save some money on DLC they don't think is needed.
Overall, this is PR to quell the masses. That said, at least it's something
#584
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:43
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i can deal with that. i liked the ending but its nice to see a balance between keeping the ending the way it is and adding closure for people who want it. but of course that just isnt good enough for some people who will continue to rage. just plain sad.
#585
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:43
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Vromrig wrote...
LoboFH wrote...
Ray Muzyka's statement brings me hope, they are listening, maybe overwhelmed because they didn't expect this emotional reaction, a reaction that shows we care about ME...but it's easy to save this epic screwup, just listen to constructive criticism, it's there...
...everything is a dream,
...wake up Commander Shepard!
Hope given that DLC will come. Likelihood of acceptable resolution decreased, however. Question of morality and ethics now brought to forefront. Cheap trick. Unbecoming of Bioware.
Let's be honest: we knew Mass Effect would get four or five DLC's, I don't care if one of those is a real ending DLC. I love Mass Effect, I bought every DLC of it, never regreted it, awesome content to keep fresh the lust.
Some can bore the hell out of us with generic anti-DLC stereotypes but I will pass, if a DLC is good content I buy it, if it is not I ignore it, free will.
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#586
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:44
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It's a step forward.
Having given it some thought I don't particularly mind if they keep the core of the ending and expand on it personally. It's hardly the worst part of the problems.
Stuff I don't mind keeping:
1. The Catalyst's purpose - if the Catalyst is an AI itself, it's a walking contradiction, but I can live with it. Perhaps this could be explained away somehow by making the Catalyst something other than an AI, like some kind of ascended race of organic beings.
2. The existing ending choices - I don't mind the current choices in how to deal with the Reapers.
Things that need to change:
1. Joker's crash landing. I don't want it changed so there's an explanation as to why he's going through a Mass Relay at the ending - any explanation would be convoluted. As others have pointed out, if he's going to crash land it should be on Earth. It makes the most sense given the Normandy should be engaged in battle with the Reapers at the time. Additionally you would have the benefit of having greater emotional effect if you get an ending variance where Earth was destroyed/devastated. It would let you see the devastation after it happened, not just while it is happening. Also, Earth is the planet we've just been fighting for, so it makes sense to focus on it more.
2. Destruction of the Mass Relays being mandatory - No matter how much you prepare, the relays are destroyed. The Relays are an essential part of the Mass Effect universe, and their destruction is problematic in that it makes entire colonies stranded from one another, makes all your fleet's allies stuck where they are at Earth and unlikely to be able to return home, and basically destroys the Galactic community that you've worked so hard to bring together. It's hard to see how there could be any future Mass Effect games without them. A high enough readiness rating should make it so they can be preserved, or at least make it so there's a realistic probability that the galaxy is working on building new ones.
Things that need to be expanded on or added:
1. All the ending could be expanded upon, but the control ending leaves a lot of questions IMO. Is Shepard totally dead after having given the Reapers some basic new instructions, or has he merged with the Reapers or Catalyst to become the controlling force behind them permanently? If the latter, how does Shepard use them? Does Shepard's morality affect that? A Paragon might use them for the betterment of the whole galactic community, while a Renegade might use them for humanity's benefit exclusively. Would be interesting to know.
2. A proper epilogue - we are left with no explanation of how our previous choices have affected the Galaxy. For instance, how do all my decisions in curing or not curing the genophage play out? Do the Krogans become more civilized under the progressive Wrex and Eve, or does Wreave start another Krogan Rebellions, or do the Krogans just go extinct from the genophage not being cured? If I spared the Rachni queen, what happens to them? I wouldn't mind if all our questions were answered in an Dragon Age like epilogue - some background pictures, or better yet short cutscenes, with text explaining the consequences of our choices would be fine for me.
3. Put the Rachni in the final battle if I saved their queen. This was a major decision, and I expected to have more than just a few workers helping build the Crucible. I wouldn't mind if there was some DLC to make this happen, but I do want to see more of the non-husk Rachni.
These are my biggest desires for any changes, and I'm certain others have more as well, so I hope that Bioware is honest about listening to our constructive criticism.
Having given it some thought I don't particularly mind if they keep the core of the ending and expand on it personally. It's hardly the worst part of the problems.
Stuff I don't mind keeping:
1. The Catalyst's purpose - if the Catalyst is an AI itself, it's a walking contradiction, but I can live with it. Perhaps this could be explained away somehow by making the Catalyst something other than an AI, like some kind of ascended race of organic beings.
2. The existing ending choices - I don't mind the current choices in how to deal with the Reapers.
Things that need to change:
1. Joker's crash landing. I don't want it changed so there's an explanation as to why he's going through a Mass Relay at the ending - any explanation would be convoluted. As others have pointed out, if he's going to crash land it should be on Earth. It makes the most sense given the Normandy should be engaged in battle with the Reapers at the time. Additionally you would have the benefit of having greater emotional effect if you get an ending variance where Earth was destroyed/devastated. It would let you see the devastation after it happened, not just while it is happening. Also, Earth is the planet we've just been fighting for, so it makes sense to focus on it more.
2. Destruction of the Mass Relays being mandatory - No matter how much you prepare, the relays are destroyed. The Relays are an essential part of the Mass Effect universe, and their destruction is problematic in that it makes entire colonies stranded from one another, makes all your fleet's allies stuck where they are at Earth and unlikely to be able to return home, and basically destroys the Galactic community that you've worked so hard to bring together. It's hard to see how there could be any future Mass Effect games without them. A high enough readiness rating should make it so they can be preserved, or at least make it so there's a realistic probability that the galaxy is working on building new ones.
Things that need to be expanded on or added:
1. All the ending could be expanded upon, but the control ending leaves a lot of questions IMO. Is Shepard totally dead after having given the Reapers some basic new instructions, or has he merged with the Reapers or Catalyst to become the controlling force behind them permanently? If the latter, how does Shepard use them? Does Shepard's morality affect that? A Paragon might use them for the betterment of the whole galactic community, while a Renegade might use them for humanity's benefit exclusively. Would be interesting to know.
2. A proper epilogue - we are left with no explanation of how our previous choices have affected the Galaxy. For instance, how do all my decisions in curing or not curing the genophage play out? Do the Krogans become more civilized under the progressive Wrex and Eve, or does Wreave start another Krogan Rebellions, or do the Krogans just go extinct from the genophage not being cured? If I spared the Rachni queen, what happens to them? I wouldn't mind if all our questions were answered in an Dragon Age like epilogue - some background pictures, or better yet short cutscenes, with text explaining the consequences of our choices would be fine for me.
3. Put the Rachni in the final battle if I saved their queen. This was a major decision, and I expected to have more than just a few workers helping build the Crucible. I wouldn't mind if there was some DLC to make this happen, but I do want to see more of the non-husk Rachni.
These are my biggest desires for any changes, and I'm certain others have more as well, so I hope that Bioware is honest about listening to our constructive criticism.
#587
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:44
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As someone who has a masters in fine art, let me just say that there is good art and bad art, and ultimately artists have critiques with each other to dissect and criticize the "SUCCESS" of a piece.
Only a very slight number of people (and even these are not always agreed upon) fall into the category of "artistic genius", and not every one of their creations is a masterpiece.
Do artists rework art? ALL THE TIME.
What am I saying? Not all art is SUCCESSFUL. and as the artist you are well within your right to change it or THROW IT AWAY.
So BW, consider this outrage as your first critique. Take what you hear and make your art BETTER, don't confine yourself with the belief that you are infallible artistic geniuses...
Other than that, I will remain cautiously optimistic for a proper resolution to this mess.
Only a very slight number of people (and even these are not always agreed upon) fall into the category of "artistic genius", and not every one of their creations is a masterpiece.
Do artists rework art? ALL THE TIME.
What am I saying? Not all art is SUCCESSFUL. and as the artist you are well within your right to change it or THROW IT AWAY.
So BW, consider this outrage as your first critique. Take what you hear and make your art BETTER, don't confine yourself with the belief that you are infallible artistic geniuses...
Other than that, I will remain cautiously optimistic for a proper resolution to this mess.
#588
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:44
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I still don't like the way that he and Bioware continue to try to marginalize the discontent by repeatedly saying it is just "some" of the fanbase or "just the most loyal". Come on. And he can hide behind the artistic vision argument all he wants to, but that doesn't change the fact that players had virtually no say in how the ending played out.
#589
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:44
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I apologize for my ignorance, but does Retake have the wishes/demands/questions clearly stated somewhere?Fail_Inc wrote...
Stay sharp until we get an exact YES or NO on our wishes/demands/questions.
Hold ze Line!
#590
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:45
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An epiloge like DAO sounds good to me: static images with some text for each important character (based on the chosen ending) would be great. I will add an explanation for Normandy's escape, and why "Shepard's men" are on board.
Bioware.... you've done a "great work" (thanks a lot for ME) but a "superb work" can be achieved adding a few explanation text about characters fate and some images like DAO.
Thanks for ME.
Bioware.... you've done a "great work" (thanks a lot for ME) but a "superb work" can be achieved adding a few explanation text about characters fate and some images like DAO.
Thanks for ME.
#591
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:45
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I feel like he doesn't understand the problem. I don't care about any type of closure (sure, I would like it, but that isn't the point), I just want a chance for my Shepard to tell the god child to go screw himself. The one time that Shepard really needs a choice, and he can't make it. That is what really doesn't make sense. I would be willing to forgive how bad the ending was if I had that option.
#592
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:45
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This changes nothing.
I have ceased to care about the plot holes. I don't want them explained, because even if they were explained, everything would still not make any sense.
Screw the plot holes. I want the ending changed.
Hold the line. Hold it tighter than ever.
I have ceased to care about the plot holes. I don't want them explained, because even if they were explained, everything would still not make any sense.
Screw the plot holes. I want the ending changed.
Hold the line. Hold it tighter than ever.
#593
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:45
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It is nice to see Dr. Muzyka weigh in but it still seems vague.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:45
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blacqout wrote...
New Generation wrote...
blacqout wrote...
As someone that was able to appreciate the ending of Mass Effect 3, it gladdens my heart to hear that he wishes to keep the game's artistic integrity in tact. It is important to not dumb yourself down for the masses.
He is wrong about ME3 being the company's best work though - that honour befalls Dragon Age II.
Bwahahahahahah ROFL LLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLO. You serious:blink:????????
I do not joke, Serah.
I'm not sure if it's because of my soaring intellect or the fact that i have a lot of other things going on in my life more worthy of nitpicking, but i enjoyed the ending of Mass Effect 3 and saw it as a fitting conclusion to the series.
Dragon Age II is still the better game though.
Pretty sure you're trolling at this point because anyone with real intellect understand that the endings we were given were the dumbed down ones. They figured we were too stupid to appreciate multiple endings based on our choices - as we've had throughout the entire series - so they force fed an "artistic vision" on everyone regardless of choice or committment. They threw in a brand new plot element simply to push said "artistic vision" that made no sense within the universe and then told us our choices gave us a conclusion that was 90% identical.
That is the epitome of "dumbed down".
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:46
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katamuro wrote...
People i urge you to stay as calm as possible. After all one of BioWare's founders cant actually say "sorry we screwed up" and the starchild thing would have been acceptable if he was simply an AI or VI of the crucible or hidden on citadel but not some reaper controller.
So people take out of this article what you need that is they agree that there is a problem but they will not make announcements until April probably not until PAX.
Yes he can.
Compare this to how the Bethesda team responded to the creation of Broken Steel. They said flat out 'we screwed up'. He could have said whatever he wanted. He can admit that BW messed up on this one without throwing them under the bus, and he could do it without patting his team on the back, pointing to how great the reviews are, or the usual 'angry minority' language we're bored of.
Instead he chose not to admit a mistake, he did pat his team on the back for upsetting thousands and thousands of people, he did point to how great the reviews are (which obviously makes everyone feel better), and he did use the typical 'angry minority' language.
It's the exact same kind of post we're used to seeing, only written by a more important person.
Whoopee?
#596
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:46
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Lazyskater130 wrote...
thank jesus they are fixing this! ive been down about the endings for 2 weeks. im sad we will all have to pay 10 bucks but whatever....atleast its some better closure.
He never said 'fix', he said 'clarify'. Maybe Joker was taking your squad to Omega for the future DLC?
That would clarify it, but sure as god not fix it.
#597
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:46
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Wish they weren't so vague, but guess we'll have to wait 2 weeks to figure out what they're planning.
Going to be really disappointed if they just add in some more dialogue for Starkid or a text epilogue.
Going to be really disappointed if they just add in some more dialogue for Starkid or a text epilogue.
#598
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:46
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Vergil_dgk wrote...
A few people being a bit too bitter in this thread. As I see it, Muzyka does his level best to both support his team and embrace the demands of the fans. While I don't agree with everything he says, I understand his predicament and feel he has demonstrated that he has some spine by coming out with this sooner rather than later. Of course, they must now live up to their promises, but I'll trust them to do that untill proven wrong.
I agree, but the unwarranted cynicism and absurdist ideas about how companies/PR/creative teams work and operate no longer surprise me - they seem to be par for the course every time a Bioware rep says something.
#599
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:46
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Dear Ray
Many thanks for your time to make a statement on this debacle. However you and your company continue to believe that the disgust with the endings is a minority view. It is not. I have my own circle of gaming friends with our own forum where discuss most new releases. Our conclusion on Mass Effect 3 is that it was a close to perfection as a video game has come to date, but (and it's a big but) the endings completely ruin an otherwise thrilling gaming experience. The reasons for this are all over these forums. I'm not a regular here, but even the most blinkered person can see the universal condemnation of your fans for the end.
As a massive ****/Fanboy, whatever, I have to say you a treating us incredibly poorly with your continued reference to us as a minority of fans. If this minority takes it's business elsewhere I guarantee EA will close your studios and repurpose your staff. They have far too much form for this.
Be honest with your consumers as we are being honest with you. Your products have been predominately fantastic. I own everything you have released to date. I have actively championed your company. However Dragon Age 2 was an awful product in comparison to it's first game. I couldn't in all conscience recommend it to anyone and it is your worst release to date and did not deserve it's review scores. Mass Effect 3 on the other hand is 99% an outstanding game, possibly is your best yet, but those endings are anethema to the rest of the series. Surely at least one person within your organisation could see that we the consumers would not like what you produced. We were very vocal about Dragon Age 2 not being up to muster. How they made it through QA is a mystery that Bioware will need to answer.
Your company has long be held on high as one of the best in the industry. Your fans have put you there, not the reviewers. Our word of mouth is worth 100 10/10 reviews. Dont belittle us as a minority. Own your mistakes and make them right.
You have made brilliant products in the past and continued this with Mass Effect 3, put the damn endings right and let us "the vocal minority" champion the game for what it should be.
Many thanks for your time to make a statement on this debacle. However you and your company continue to believe that the disgust with the endings is a minority view. It is not. I have my own circle of gaming friends with our own forum where discuss most new releases. Our conclusion on Mass Effect 3 is that it was a close to perfection as a video game has come to date, but (and it's a big but) the endings completely ruin an otherwise thrilling gaming experience. The reasons for this are all over these forums. I'm not a regular here, but even the most blinkered person can see the universal condemnation of your fans for the end.
As a massive ****/Fanboy, whatever, I have to say you a treating us incredibly poorly with your continued reference to us as a minority of fans. If this minority takes it's business elsewhere I guarantee EA will close your studios and repurpose your staff. They have far too much form for this.
Be honest with your consumers as we are being honest with you. Your products have been predominately fantastic. I own everything you have released to date. I have actively championed your company. However Dragon Age 2 was an awful product in comparison to it's first game. I couldn't in all conscience recommend it to anyone and it is your worst release to date and did not deserve it's review scores. Mass Effect 3 on the other hand is 99% an outstanding game, possibly is your best yet, but those endings are anethema to the rest of the series. Surely at least one person within your organisation could see that we the consumers would not like what you produced. We were very vocal about Dragon Age 2 not being up to muster. How they made it through QA is a mystery that Bioware will need to answer.
Your company has long be held on high as one of the best in the industry. Your fans have put you there, not the reviewers. Our word of mouth is worth 100 10/10 reviews. Dont belittle us as a minority. Own your mistakes and make them right.
You have made brilliant products in the past and continued this with Mass Effect 3, put the damn endings right and let us "the vocal minority" champion the game for what it should be.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:46
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Nothing short of letting me tell Casper to go dissipate followed by a 'kill ONLY THE Reapers and leave the relays intact' button will make me satisfied. Better yet, getting rid of Casper entirely would preferable.
