Thorn Harvestar wrote...
This is the type of message from Bioware that I was hoping for. It shows that they WILL address the ending...
Modifié par Starscream723, 21 mars 2012 - 06:03 .
Steppzor wrote...
Sc2mashimaro wrote...
That the newest attempt to let fans know what the team at Bioware is thinking and what direction they are moving in is met with unwarranted amounts of cynicism no longer surprises me. I know there are other reasonable people here, reading and not responding who want endgame content to be released, so on their behalf and my own: thank you, Ray Muzyka, for your thoughtful reply.
It is always hard to have any aspect of your creative work torn down by criticism and I think it speaks highly of you and your team that you are swallowing your pride and accepting that criticism. The more feedback I hear from you, the more confident I become that you will make a good-faith effort to address the problems we have with the endings. I think almost all of the "Retake Mass Effect" crowd would agree that, up until the ending, Mass Effect 3 *was* the most engaging, emotional, and powerful story-telling that Bioware has ever accomplished. I think we would agree that, sans the ending, Mass Effect 3 really was the best work you and your team have done. It is because of the excellence of that work that I am confident that in addressing the thematic and rhetorical inconsistencies of the ending the Mass Effect 3 team will be able to craft an ending worthy of the masterpiece that is the rest of the game.
To fellow BSNers, this is another obvious move towards Bioware accepting our perspective and even includes the promise that plans for content to address the ending are being drawn up AS WE SPEAK. This is good news and cannot be spun otherwise by any reasonable person. Keep on holding the line and know that our message is getting through. We will never get every single thing we want, but I honestly believe that Bioware intends to make a good-faith effort to resolve as many issues with the ending as they can. Be happy! This is good news! And, of course, keep on holding the line!
Well writen. I approve this message
beserker7 wrote...
P.S. To Ray & Greg founders of Bioware... For this whole situation to even happen and the ending to be released as it was, should be a HUGE wake up call that some key members of the staff invloved in the end game final approval/writing are not in touch with the majority of players and do not appear to be able to disern quality or lack of, concerning various elements in your games.
beserker7 wrote...
NekOoNinja wrote...
Still dismissing the fact that most players don't like the finale, and blame it to "the most ardent fans".
Dear Bioware,
prior to ME 3's release, I added about 30 people form BSN to my XBL friendslist who were going to play the game. Additionally, ten others I met in different game, so lets make this 40 people.
NONE of them liked the ending. And some of them aren't even passionate fans! These who aren't just said "WTF is this sh*t" (literally) and went on playing something else out of disappointment.
Those who are indeed ardent fans of the franchise, were playing the more lighthearted multiplayer to make the bad taste go away, discussing it all over voice chat. And they were all echoing the same darn thing, every darn point.
The most painful thing: There's one of the probably greatest Mass Effect fans ever among them. Prior he was all excited, bought tons of merchandise, he was SO happy about ME3. Then the bomb dropped, he hasn't been the same ever since. His disappointment is undescribable.
So much for minority.
Please Bioware moderators, just send this one guys post to the doctors,Hudson, Walters, Gamble and the entire company. This is what honestly is happening. It is an honest majority of people who played and beat the game that find the lack of any choice, closure, meaning in the endings aweful and not in line with the other 2 games they loved.
The more serious the fan, the more serious the dissapointment. I think you should replay ME1 AND ME2. Think maybe you should stick to those ending formulas. Someone who played hundreds of hours of Shepard story might want to be the hero and live and see an epilogue of his choices. Some might want to blow it all up, which was the only real option we had, still want to see epilogue with squamates, planets, races war assets represented in final battle at least.
Honestly, within a week people here made flow charts showing how all you choices in ME3 could show up in end with different choice, getting a hero live, neutral live, renegade live or die based on completion, just like in Mass Effect 2. I don't see why the ME2 ending formula was thrown out in favor of one ending, three colors and a crappy unexplained Normandy flee battle crash scene. Thats not Mass Effect or art.
Thanks to founder Ray for responding and giving some hope.
P.S. To Ray & Greg founders of Bioware... For this whole situation to even happen and the ending to be released as it was, should be a HUGE wake up call that some key members of the staff invloved in the end game final approval/writing are not in touch with the majority of players and do not appear to be able to disern quality or lack of, concerning various elements in your games.
Rockpopple wrote...
If they end up explaining the ending so that it makes sense, that'd be good enough for me.
You will get what you would of got even without the hyperbole and boycotts, personal attacks, filing complaints and spamming of phrases from some people. Feedback would of got you the same result if was polite and reasonable to begin with. That result is additional DLC to try to resolve your issues of lack of closure and lack of exposition plus knowing more about what happens during and after regarding companions and races, not replacement of core game content.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Rockpopple wrote...
If they end up explaining the ending so that it makes sense, that'd be good enough for me.
That is what you will likely receive (remember the result of the negative feedback to Drago Age 2 doing the same).You will get what you would of got even without the hyperbole and boycotts, personal attacks, filing complaints and spamming of phrases from some people. Feedback would of got you the same result if was polite and reasonable to begin with. That result is additional DLC to try to resolve your issues of lack of closure and lack of exposition plus knowing more about what happens during and after regarding companions and races, not replacement of core game content.
Rockpopple wrote...
If they end up explaining the ending so that it makes sense, that'd be good enough for me.
Miekkas wrote...
I'm sorry, but I cannot bring myself to believe anthing you say right now with these continued PR tactics, Bioware. This is nothing more than yet another public relations attempt at trying to dismiss the issue that players have stated and outlined in the feedback thread and numerous others since day one of this debacle. You are continuing to accuse people who do not like the ending as a "vocal minority", citing critics as though their opinion is gospel and right no matter what, and completely misrepresenting what the players want.
1. Across the internet, I have not seen a single poll where more than 15% is happy with the endings. A massive majority in polls whether it be BSN's, IGN's (who vehemently critisized tha fans), Computer Gaming, etc have all resulted in over 80% stating that they are unhappy. In some cases, the percents are in the 90 percentile. That is not a vocal minority Bioware. These polls number in the tens of thousands as a sample size when regular polls usually only number a few thousand in sample size. At one point does it take you to realize that there are a lot of unhappy people over the ending?
2. Stop citing "professional" game review critics in some attempt to make it seem as though the fans do not have legitimate complaints. These types of media outlets, IGN especially, are infamous for taking payouts from companies for good reviews. The opinions of the players is what matters, not some paid critic. They are the ones who are the main direct source of your income, not critics.
3. You continue to simplify the issue by stating players are just looking for more closure and clarity. Take a look at the feedback thread that YOU made. The issues with this endings are a lot more complex that you are willing to publicly admit. Even the average gamer without a degree in literature can point out the glaring issues with the endings, but you publicly pretend that they don't exist because you don't want to admit that you messed up very badly. There are thousands of posts in the feedback thread alone, many building off of each other, that point out every single issue with the endings from illogical plotholes to violations of characters and themes to pointing out half truths you have told like having 16 different endings.
Stop insulting our intelligence, Bioware, or we will somply take our business to someone who does not take us for fools. Make an announce that addresses us with respect and as valued customers, not with dismissive, sterile public relations statements. Customers want empathy and to be treated as human beings. Heck, maybe they want to develop a friendly and first name basis with the developers. When you connect with your customers on a personal level, you are much more likely to retain their loyalty and hear you out before taking their business elsewhere. This is customer service 101 that even those who do not work in business know. Instead you are doing the exact opposite of this, and that is why people, including me, are inclined to believe anything you say until new endings are downloaded and meet the approval of the fanbase.
Hold the line, folks. Do not believe a single word they say until the new endings have been downloaded and meet the approval of the fanbase. Keep on the pressure.
Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 21 mars 2012 - 06:13 .
CL4PTP wrote...
Yeah, this doesn't sound like the answer any of us wanted to hear.
While providing some clarity to an ending that had none would be nice, what we really need are the REAL endings that the series deserved, and I don't get anything from this message that implies we will be getting that.
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Thank you sir, I agree with every word.Faded-Myth wrote...
While I obviously have my own emotional opinions about some of the things he discusses that I don't necessarily agree with, this is about as close an apology as we're going to get. In the end, I'm grateful that Ray Muzyka responded. It's clear more than ever that this whole debacle hasn't gone unnoticed. If Muzyka is replying to the community, then it's as far up the chain as it's going to go.
There are a lot of things I like about this article, ultimately. For one, it proves that BioWare does, in ways that are going to be accepted in various emotions depending whom you ask, care about its fans. I've never really considered Mass Effect's ending to be a sign that BioWare's opinion of its core fans was negligible. Was it a mistake? YES. They couldn't have botched the ending harder if they tried. But I get the feeling that the developers honestly thought they were on to a good thing. Clearly, they missed the mark, and I would have liked a more open admission. But while the occasional promise of being heard was irritating, in itself it was proof we weren't being ignored. They did a really frustrating way of showing it. I get the impression though that it's been just as frustrating and difficult for them as it has been to us.
Is this the big admission of failure and promise of a whole new ending that would appease the majority of people who played this game that I would have liked? No. Is it acknowledgment that it's more than some small minority of loyal fans who are simply feeling uptight and entitled about getting their way? No. But I think if Ray Muzyka has been brought in to talk about things, it's clearly an important issue to them. BioWare isn't some bully standing behind a bigger one. They're a business doing what they can to address a passionate fanbase while protecting their image. If I was a developer, I'd probably be a little more open about my mistakes, but from BioWare I think this is pretty close.
Either way, April should be very interesting.
Modifié par Kulthar Drax, 21 mars 2012 - 06:15 .
Lianaar wrote...
I liked what I read. I am glad they don't just wipe out the ending. I think I would have lost respect for a company that doesn't believe in their work. Providing more closure for those who seek it is one thing, which I can accept. But giving up something what you believe in would simply make the "new ending" a lie.
I hope they hear the people who appreciate them listening while maintaining a spine too. Like me.
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