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To Mass Effect 3 players, from Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare


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corpselover wrote...

Still not willing to admit they messed up, still trying to marginalise fan concerns, and now they themselves are hiding behind the artistic integrity argument. Another non answer. Reading this I have less faith in them that I did before. If that is possible.

Trust you guys? How can you expect me to trust you when you have been so willing to lie to us before.

Your opinion does not mean they messed up. You are free to your interpretation but that does not make it a fact that they are wrong and you are right in your version.


First of all there are undeniable flaws in the ending. Not matters of taste, but undeniable errors that would not be possible. That is not up for interpretation. True the view that the rest of the ending is terrible is an opinion, but it is a widely held and properly formed opinion.

Either way that is not my point. The messed up because they repeatedly lied to consumers in the build up to the release about the content of the endings. They created an image of the product they knew to be false, and used this to build up hype for the game. Now it is coming around to bite them in the butt.  They need to come out and admit they messed up by lying to their fans.

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Respects to the good Doctor for his formal response to this issue. However, I do wish he wouldn't use the fact that 'critics' gave it a high score to marginalize the negative reactions of the fans, or to make it seem like it's a small minority who disliked the ending just because the critics praised it.

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JunMadine wrote...

There is hope for us. Keep the faith and stay strong!

Hold the line.


Yes there is hope of us getting screwed out of more money for some thing that should been done in the first place thats why they locked my post bout considering the class action law suit on them.

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I wouldn't find it fair to judge a whole game just because of the ending. They did improve the game a lot. If it wasn't most people wouldn't have played the whole game to the ending. Personally I don't need a new ending. I would compare ME3 to a work of Pablo Picasso. The game was extremely artistic and people should reflect on it rather then draw any conclusions just by playing it once, which most people actually have. There's a lot of questions that aren't answered. If you play ME3 twice you will start to get a deeper insight of the game. I'll leave you with that.

Modifié par MongoChuck, 21 mars 2012 - 04:36 .


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Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.


Translation: We have not intention of changing the ending whatsoever.
We will just release a DLC that wraps up some of the loose ends in the existing ending.

Thats how i interpret it anyway, which is not good enough by a long shot.

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slyguy200 wrote...

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I am very happy that we got a response from Ray on this. I am sorry that all these artists are unhappy with the fan response.

So I will do what any consumer of art would do if they didn't like the book / painting etc. I will return the product and at a later time If I am more satisfied with the outcome I will re purchase it. as it is my right to do.

Thank you


You just don't get it do you, but then again BW doesn't seem to either.
this may shed some light
http://social.biowar...13/blog/211900/


No I do get it, I have multiple copies of the game because I support Bioware. I only plan on returning one of the copies I own. Just as a vote to say I have a right in this artistic debate.

I have one from origin one from amazon and one from gamestop. 3 kids in the house so they all have recieved use.

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This will sound silly, I know, but...

don't they have something equivalent to a film screening for the games? Beta-test. Letting your best friend play the game and ask for honest opinion.?

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I hope my waiting is worthy.

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Like I said in another thread:

First, he keeps saying that critics offered high ratings to the game. Problem is that most of those "critics" are not really critics (for various reasons that you all know) or have not finished the game at all, thus don't know what we're talking about. This is related to another point that the Dr. makes too, stating that we all think that the game is awesome, thus it's not that bad as we seem to be saying. While it's true that we all agree that it's a wonderful game, it's also true that the last 10 minutes are SO terrible, inconsecuential, and with so many plot holes and inconsistencies, that it breaks not only Mass Effect 3, but the whole Mass Effect trilogy. That should give you an idea about how bad it is.

He also mentions that the game is art. I agree with the good Dr., but it's also true (as many people have explained in the past) that:

1) It's not free art, it's commercial art. If the vast majority of your paying customers (no, not the critics) consider that the game is not satisfying or that it's not up to what they expected or what was announced, they have the right to ask for a change, as long as they're reasonable.

2) The ending of ME3 fails even as art, as a satifying story. This guy explains why infinitely better than anything that I could write up.

He also seems to think that what we want is that the story didn't end. No, no, and no. What we're asking is a better ending for the story, worth of the Mass Effect brand. Not an infinite adventure, but some proper endings, as it was promised thousands of times before the game's release.

Finally, what really breaks my heart is that he says that "Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive.". It seems that he hasn't read the forums as all. If he did, he would know that, surprisingly, we have been pretty civil and constructive, with almost zero rage posts (not even worth mentioning!), and giving them thousands of valid alternatives to correct or improve the ending.

Like I said in another post, they can keep posting that same PR stuff trying to win more time or whatever, and risking themselves to lose a lot of customers when they lose their interest for anything that they could say, or they can have an open dialogue with us and directly tell us what they are considering to do with the ending.

Anyways, thanks for taking your time to write that blog entry Image IPB

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Hi Ray,

I hope this is forwarded to you and the team. I honestly believe that Mass Effect 3 is a huge accomplishment and you should and deserve to be proud of your team. It's a near flawless game full of emotion and gripping action.

However, the ending of the game was just not up to par with the rest of the game. I felt cheated out of the catharsis I expected from a 5 year journey that I have been a part of. I'm not one to complain about bioware products, I have been a staunch supporter of all your games for nearly 15 years, and this is a first for me to disagree with how a game ends.

I am not one looking for happiness. I am one looking for choice and clarity for a beloved series that always showed choice and clarity, until the final 15 minutes of ME3.

Thank you for your time and I hope the team sees this.

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Like most have said , make the ending make sense.That's all I need , if they want to show a happy ending fine but really I think most of us just want it all to make sense.

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I feel like we need to be perfectly clear on this point:

We do not merely want the current endings clarified. Yes, we want closure, but we want closure through endings that legitimately provide it, not by adding information to the current endings which they should have contained to begin with.

We want more choices and more endings.

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Yeah...I don't buy this, still a lot of saying nothing while throwing a few insults at us. I still don't think, amazing as it sounds, that they understand WHY people have a problem with the endings.

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That felt good and reassuring thnx.

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Firstly, I'm really new here. Secondly, let me begin by saying I loved almost everything about this game. The connection I felt to the characters was strong enough to the point that I had to bite back tears at certain points. I felt hopeless at points, overwhelmed by the sheer scope and seeming impossibility of the task at hand. I loved this game for 95% of the trip there.

That being said, the ending left me bitterly disappointed. I'll admit some of this has to do with the fact I was breaking a promise to my Shep's significant other, but that is just another sign of how involved I think a lot of us have become to the characters Bioware created. Without going into details (thus to avoid spoilers), let me just say that some things felt really glaring in the last tiny conversational part of the game. That and the actions of a certain pilot, as well as...well, there was a really good thread I read a bit back. I'm sure other forum goers will probably link you to it.

Don't take our criticism as negative. By all measures, the reason we're so riled up and passionate, is because we love the game -THIS- much, and care so greatly about the universe you've made. We don't want to be left in the dark about what happens to our favorite people, the races, everything we've come to have a personal stake in over the many long years. We want to feel like we accomplished more than the endings seem to provide.

Also, there are some...concerns I personally had about Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2, and the...mass relays, shall we say.

Sincerely,
The Last Maestro

Modifié par The Last Maestro, 21 mars 2012 - 04:41 .


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aksoileau wrote...

Hi Ray,

I hope this is forwarded to you and the team. I honestly believe that Mass Effect 3 is a huge accomplishment and you should and deserve to be proud of your team. It's a near flawless game full of emotion and gripping action.

However, the ending of the game was just not up to par with the rest of the game. I felt cheated out of the catharsis I expected from a 5 year journey that I have been a part of. I'm not one to complain about bioware products, I have been a staunch supporter of all your games for nearly 15 years, and this is a first for me to disagree with how a game ends.

I am not one looking for happiness. I am one looking for choice and clarity for a beloved series that always showed choice and clarity, until the final 15 minutes of ME3.

Thank you for your time and I hope the team sees this.


You should probably send this through email if you want to make sure they see it:).

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I swear if one more BW/EA rep throws review scores in my face I'm going to stop supporting the company....seriously.

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Sywen wrote...

How can it be artistic integrity when you end the game with buy more dlc's?

I really want a reason to play the game again. But until I hear something concrete, I won't buy Bioware games, dlc's and my SWTOR will still be canceled.


That's the plan^

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Alexraptor1 wrote...

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.


Translation: We have not intention of changing the ending whatsoever.
We will just release a DLC that wraps up some of the loose ends in the existing ending.

Thats how i interpret it anyway, which is not good enough by a long shot.


I agree, and that isn't an acceptable solution for me, either.

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vexus vi wrote...

i am such a fan of mass effect, i love all the games, including mass effect 3. but after all these years and sooooo many hours, the end of ME3 just was so underwhelming.


this.

PS: Great early April Fool's joke on the gaming community and your Mass Effect fanbase with the release of the "fooled you" endings!  HAHAHAHA!  Now f-ing fix the problem.

I loved 2/3 of ME3.  The other1/3 tells me that I will not support BioWare in any manner in the future.  Sorry--epic fail on the BW's part.

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After seeing the endings on youtube and reading the comments here I can only compare it with Burton's planet of the Apes

After an epic quest, Marky Mark aka Mark Wahlberg defeats the evil regime on Apeworld, launches his ship and goes…back to the future! Or, uh, no – the past! Or, uh, a future version of the past! No, it’s, uh, the present, but it’s been affected by the past, which will now be his future! Aaaaaaaaaa!!!

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HamanuRobert wrote...

After seeing the endings on youtube and reading the comments here I can only compare it with Burton's planet of the Apes

After an epic quest, Marky Mark aka Mark Wahlberg defeats the evil regime on Apeworld, launches his ship and goes…back to the future! Or, uh, no – the past! Or, uh, a future version of the past! No, it’s, uh, the present, but it’s been affected by the past, which will now be his future! Aaaaaaaaaa!!!


very well put

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So long as the plot-holes and some closure to the various characters are provided, I'm good. That being said, I do feel sorry for all the hard-working artists who labored to create this game only to immediately come under a pretty hefty bout of criticism. All I can say is that ME3 is the highlight of my gaming year, and one of my favorite games, period, despite the ending. If that can be fixed, then it'll be pretty much perfect to me.

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corpselover wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

corpselover wrote...

Still not willing to admit they messed up, still trying to marginalise fan concerns, and now they themselves are hiding behind the artistic integrity argument. Another non answer. Reading this I have less faith in them that I did before. If that is possible.

Trust you guys? How can you expect me to trust you when you have been so willing to lie to us before.

Your opinion does not mean they messed up. You are free to your interpretation but that does not make it a fact that they are wrong and you are right in your version.


First of all there are undeniable flaws in the ending. Not matters of taste, but undeniable errors that would not be possible. That is not up for interpretation. True the view that the rest of the ending is terrible is an opinion, but it is a widely held and properly formed opinion.

Either way that is not my point. The messed up because they repeatedly lied to consumers in the build up to the release about the content of the endings. They created an image of the product they knew to be false, and used this to build up hype for the game. Now it is coming around to bite them in the butt.  They need to come out and admit they messed up by lying to their fans.


Well said, corpselover.

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The Big Palooka wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.


Translation: We have not intention of changing the ending whatsoever.
We will just release a DLC that wraps up some of the loose ends in the existing ending.

Thats how i interpret it anyway, which is not good enough by a long shot.


I agree, and that isn't an acceptable solution for me, either.

That's what I got from that too, and why I'm not happy with it.