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[RyuujinZERO]

HolmesLovesGuinness wrote...

Respects to the good Doctor for his formal response to this issue. However, I do wish he wouldn't use the fact that 'critics' gave it a high score to marginalize the negative reactions of the fans, or to make it seem like it's a small minority who disliked the ending just because the critics praised it.

A better way to approach this is to turn the tables, and ask everyone who's happy with the ending to come forward. Even factoring in the population bias, the numbers are still firmly in the "dislike" camp by a significant margin, finding "likers" is much much harder than finding "haters" which sort've throws water over the theory that people who dislike are a minority of the population.

[HamanuRobert]

This backlash can have a cascading effect. If the actors get pestered by all the bad rep regarding the ending, maybe they won't want to be associated with the franchise ever again, and their colleagues too.

[MDT1]

I would have thought it would be the time for Bioware to become a bit more humble after this:

“There
are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could
you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be
forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3
is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning
about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to
decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll
get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people

[harrier25699]

This is what I'm confused about regarding the ending, I'm going to spell it out the issues I have as my mind see things.  There are spoilers so be warned if you have not finished the game yet, don't read any further. 

Millions of humans and aliens are now then stranded in the Sol system with no way of returning home, or for the dextro-amino chaps (Turians and Quarians), no way of feeding for very long.  This is the final destiny of the fleet I assembled as Shephard?

Earth is rubble, as are most, if not all of the local colonies and settlements, so they are not in much of a position to help.  In fact most are about to become refugee camps filled with the wounded and the starving.

Right now, as the ending goes, the galaxy is standing on a bleak new precipice, even with the reapers defeated.  Millions (billions?) across the galaxy are about to starve to death with supply lines cut, and most will never see their homeworld, friends or families again.   Treaties will fail, war over starship fuel, food and medical supplies will likely ensue as Shephard is not around to help.

The quarians and geth, who just made peace,  are now trapped in the Sol system, years of conventional travel away from the home they just got back with my help.   Looks like those masks are staying on for a while longer!

The reapers were in fact controlled by a mysterious unamed entity that for the purposes of communicating with me took the shape of a small child who has been haunting me the entire game. (apparently no indoc theory?)

The choices offered by this entity were uncontestable and unswayable by the player, regardless of the actions taken throughout the trilogy.

My squadmates left me on earth mid-battle to flee the sol system, and then crashed (rather fortunately) on a life-supporting planet of unknown origin.  I will never see them again even if I survive. 

The final outro many many years later implies the gates are still not replaced.

The lack of closure deeply inpacts replayability.

These are my initial WTH scenarios and issues the the ending creates for me.  I love and support this game, and I hope the other fans that also do will do so objectively. 

The fans of mass effect have at the time of writing this raised over $76,000 in donations with the retake mass effect charity 'Child's Play'.  That's unbelievable, not something 'whiny kids' and 'entitled gamers' could accomplish.

Modifié par harrier25699, 21 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Solmanian]

I'm rather pleased with the announcement. The first step in solving a problem, is admiting there is one; which he did. Step 1, complete. Now that bioware CEO gave his word that the issue will be dealt, I think everybody should turn their flamers off until we see what said solution is. From this point continuing the pressure at this will increase the chances of it being a half assed rush job: a band aid to shut the fan, instead of what we want and expect. Which is a well crafted and thought out resolution of ME3 and the trilogy as a whole.

[digby69]

Very well put Dr. Ray.

What I would say is this. I love Me1, Me2 and Me3 all the way through Me3 I was just thinking how good it was how emotional it was how funny it was etc. etc. then the end came along and I thought are crap that just spoiled it all for me.

[SteelerWayne]

Glad to see this. Also glad to hear Ray say that while they will address the constructive criticism concerning the ending they will not tolerate or listen to any destructive criticism. And Lord knows there was so many out there that it almost began to overshadow those who had legit problems with the ending and were able to present them in a respectful and constructive manner.

[Getorex]

matchboxmatt wrote...

I'm glad we got this message - and at least some form of confirmation that content is being created to appease the displeasure with the endings - but I'm always a little wary whenever they only refer to it as "content" that will help give closure.

The entire game revolves around closure. You get a massive portion of "ending" material throughout the game. The thing I'm hoping for is an epilogue of some sort, though. When they only refer to it as "content", that could be fitted anywhere in the game.

The ending(s) as they are with an epilogue DOESN'T HELP.  They blew up the relays!  They stranded the Normandy on some planet alone to die a slow, lonely death.  EVERYONE on that planet the Normandy crashed upon would be brothers and sisters after only a few generations!  They cannot create a future "stargazer" to tell stories to some young kid about thing that happened way WAY back in time.  They have no future.  The future of ALL children of the Normandy crash survivors is one of incest.  Where's the epilogue in that?  A planet of albino banjo players?

Beyond that, I am HAPPY they seem to be saying they are addressing the issues.  If it turns out to be an epilogue though, then the above statement holds and cannot be argued away.  Biological fact.

Modifié par Getorex, 21 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[davail]

The only issue that I have to the ending is this. Every major story has a plot structure. Everything from the exposition, to the rising action, even the climax of Mass Effect 3 was amazing! I don't even care that after all that work we did that the choices we had to make were unfair. Even though the overall themes of the game were about noticing individuality in every species and fighting for it, that does not mean that the VILLIAN of the game was going to just let us "win" that easily. However, once we reach the climax of the story...there is absolutely no falling action and resolution. There is no time to get comfortable with the choice we just made. We're given only a few screenshots of some of the people we've cared about this entire game, and then after a brief cutscene the game is done. I don't know exactly what I'm asking for, but even if all we had were actual flashbacks to the people we care about as we're making our decision, showing how much these descisions are going to change the world, maybe this ending could have been more dramatic and heartbreaking. There doesn't have to be a happy ending, just a great one. That's all

[Mr Chr15topher]

We don't want explanations for the ending, because knowing what happened won't change the fact that everyone is stranded at E**** and the galaxy is screwed. We want more ending options that allow the M*** R***** to remain and Shepard to live while also leaving the 3 original endings to remain as the "bad" options.

[Parahexavoctal]

Ronin1325 wrote...

I'd hazard a guess that most of us here are looking for *different* endings, not 'clarification' of existing ones. :-/

This, very much this.

I'm going to hope that the less than encouraging olive branch is simply a defensive measure to not promise too much. Maybe the result will turn out to be what I'm hoping for.

At least I can still vote with my wallet. I'll be holding off on purchasing ME3 until I'm sure there is an ending I can be satisfied with.

[Wildhide]

The most I got out of this is it felt like he was still trying to talk around the issue with a PR release, and doing as little as possible to concession. It's a step in the right direction, to be sure, but until something is confirmed for certainly I won't hold my breath.

I also wish they'd stop bringing up critic reviews. So long as the game review industry is invalidated by their need to please the producers, those reviews mean very little.

And what in the world does "Game content initiative" mean exactly? A .pdf with epilogues, or an actual ending in the game?

I'm really surprised they're as surprised as they are about the reaction to the end of the game. It's written poorly, especially when compared to the rest of the game. It's also nonsense dribble with a lot of plotholes. I just don't see how it came from the same people that created the rest of the game.

I want to see one of them just say "We screwed up, sorry."

[Whatever42]

Ray is in a difficult spot. He needs to express support and love for his people. He can't just throw them under the bus. Yet, he has a fanatical fanbase which he wants to satisfy. I think he struck a decent tone.

The real proof will be in the pudding, of course. Ultimately, I'm predicting the vision will be maintained but tweaked: Shep will be shown more clearly to have survived (where applicable) with the conclusions more fully developed and I'm predicting a scene where the crew is rescued by Shepard. Something like that.

Now those who truly despised starchild will not be satisfied but I really can't really see them changing the whole ending. I think Ray's tone makes that pretty clear as well.

[XTR3M3]

One of the problems for me, the lore and plot conflicts not withstanding, is that the endings were hyped by BioWare to be driven by the choices we made in the game and the previous games in the series. This was simply not the case. I have played this game more than 2 different ways and no matter what, the choices at the end are EXACTLY the same as long as my EMS meter is about the prescribed level.

I do want to say that the rest of the game was brilliant. Sure there were a couple of issues like the journal being not very user friendly, but the gameplay was so fun that kind of thing was easily overlooked. You guys did a superlative job on this which is what makes the way you decided to go with the endings you did such a let down. The EMS matters and nothing else does. Only 1 decision from the end of ME2 even has any affect on the endings and that is only at lower EMS ratings.

[Adranathz]

u ppl are reading at all?

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.


New content in ADITION TO EXISTING PLAN

they are planing new dlc couse of this
geez

[digby69]

Some times creative people and the powers that be get it wrong.

e.g. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks Hollywood thought that people would be so traumatised that they would not want to watch action or war films and to that end cancelled the release of several pictures and only green lit comedy and light hearted stuff.
The truth was the total opposite, and it took Hollywood about 6 months to fix their mistake.

So the point I'm making is that some times people get thinks horribly wrong for the right reasons.

[kbct]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.

Translation: We have not intention of changing the ending whatsoever.
We will just release a DLC that wraps up some of the loose ends in the existing ending.

Thats how i interpret it anyway, which is not good enough by a long shot.

I agree, and that isn't an acceptable solution for me, either.

That's what I got from that too, and why I'm not happy with it.

I'll add my name to this list.

[Zaalbar]

Mass Effect 3's journey was phenomenal, the scale of hopelessness was the best I've seen, story was great, possibly the best of the series. Multiplayer is surprisingly addictive and well implemented. After 2 playthrough's its hard to pick any faults with this game as everything until the last 15min came together beautifully. The ending just left me with to many unanswered questions and choices made had very little impact.

[azereus2]

Excuse me, i dont want to sound ¨destructive¨.
But is he trolling us or something similar?.

[Akodoreign]

slyguy200 wrote...

Akodoreign wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Akodoreign wrote...

I am very happy that we got a response from Ray on this. I am sorry that all these artists are unhappy with the fan response.

So I will do what any consumer of art would do if they didn't like the book / painting etc. I will return the product and at a later time If I am more satisfied with the outcome I will re purchase it. as it is my right to do.

Thank you

You just don't get it do you, but then again BW doesn't seem to either.
this may shed some light
http://social.biowar...13/blog/211900/

No I do get it, I have multiple copies of the game because I support Bioware. I only plan on returning one of the copies I own. Just as a vote to say I have a right in this artistic debate.

I have one from origin one from amazon and one from gamestop. 3 kids in the house so they all have recieved use.

there is a reason i said that it "may" help.
People have different minds and not all of them see this in the way you do, so in a way you will never truly get it. 
3 copies, do you have 3 different systems that they all use? Or are you just wastefull with your money.

5 xbox 360's 3 kids 16, 13, 10. I would get to play the game in approximately 4 months if I didn't get multiple copies. (bought most of the 360's from craigs list and repaired the 3 red lights on them) have one halo reach slim (that one is my guilty pleasure).

Also this way I got to recieve a bunch of the initial DLC (I am heavily vested in Mass Effect, when my original disk broke I bought the first one on live marketplace so that I couldn't lose it again).

But when I'm slammed on twitter saying that I am a crybaby and it's about artistic Integrety, I have to say. "Well you can keep your artistic values, I just won't pay for them".

[InvincibleHero]

corpselover wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

corpselover wrote...

Still not willing to admit they messed up, still trying to marginalise fan concerns, and now they themselves are hiding behind the artistic integrity argument. Another non answer. Reading this I have less faith in them that I did before. If that is possible.

Trust you guys? How can you expect me to trust you when you have been so willing to lie to us before.

Your opinion does not mean they messed up. You are free to your interpretation but that does not make it a fact that they are wrong and you are right in your version.

First of all there are undeniable flaws in the ending. Not matters of taste, but undeniable errors that would not be possible. That is not up for interpretation. True the view that the rest of the ending is terrible is an opinion, but it is a widely held and properly formed opinion.

Either way that is not my point. The messed up because they repeatedly lied to consumers in the build up to the release about the content of the endings. They created an image of the product they knew to be false, and used this to build up hype for the game. Now it is coming around to bite them in the butt.  They need to come out and admit they messed up by lying to their fans.

Flaws in your opinion. BW as the authority can explain each of those away and you'd have no choice but to accept that. They created the universe and make the story and the rules. You cannot complete with that. You only have opinion period. Fact and authority is on their side. They created any codex you can cite and they can change it as they will.

Show me where they promised you would have a happy ending and everyone would be pleased. I'm waiting. They gave three choices and what you did in the game changed those slightly and it was more than we got in the first two games.

[Vixy]

Huh. More than I expected. We'll see, Bioware.

[bazzag]

SteelerWayne wrote...

Glad to see this. Also glad to hear Ray say that while they will address the constructive criticism concerning the ending they will not tolerate or listen to any destructive criticism. And Lord knows there was so many out there that it almost began to overshadow those who had legit problems with the ending and were able to present them in a respectful and constructive manner.

Hear Hear!
With regards to earlier comments, i've always said people should never listen to critics. the score is just there opinion, nothing more. I can't, and probably, will never understand why someone might say, "i'm not going to see/play/buy/read that because the critic only gave it a 7/10."

[Keleim]

Thank you. I have full confidence in the Bioware team's ability to provide closure to the mass effect trilogy, and look forward to hearing about, and hopefully playing, some of the new content you have in the pipeline. I can't think of any other company that makes games like Bioware, and hope to continue supporting you, and using your outstanding products, for years to come.