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[Ronin1325]

Parahexavoctal wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

I'd hazard a guess that most of us here are looking for *different* endings, not 'clarification' of existing ones. :-/

This, very much this.

I'm going to hope that the less than encouraging olive branch is simply a defensive measure to not promise too much. Maybe the result will turn out to be what I'm hoping for.

At least I can still vote with my wallet. I'll be holding off on purchasing ME3 until I'm sure there is an ending I can be satisfied with.

Speaking of voting with your wallet, Parahexavoctal (that's a mouthful. ) I would also respectfully add, as I've said elsewhere, that EA/Bioware needs to match the Child's Play donation at a certain point. If you want our good will, that is a Rubber-meets-the-road, practical sign that you are every bit as interested in being constructive as most of us are.

[hypothead]

This is funny it would be as simple as to say "To the fans of Mass Effect it has come to our understanding that certain promises were made about Mass Effect and were not fully delivered. While I stand by the development teams for Mass Effect 3 and their artistic choices, that being said we have listened to player feedback and all the criticism constructive of otherwise have shown the vast majority are unhappy with the way Mass Effect 3 ended be it a problem with closure or unanswered questions. In light of this there has been consent talks back and forth between development teams on how to best to deliver this to the fans and after many, many talks we have decided the best course of action. While I can't go into further details what I can say is yes we are working on delivering a new OPTIONAL ending and that more information will be available in April.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.

Insert Name here ___________

^^^^^^ I would like to see something like this.

[cmj428]

Why are people still complaining on this post?
Your points have been made pretty much everywhere else. (And yes I'm one of the people who don't like the ending)
But the Co-founder of the company said they are working on content to address our questions and provide more closure. From what I understand that is exactly what everyone has been asking for.
And he gave you confirmation that something is being done.
Can we please all take a breath and wait for whatever this is he's told us we'll hear about in April.

[jackyboy666]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.

Translation: We have not intention of changing the ending whatsoever.
We will just release a DLC that wraps up some of the loose ends in the existing ending.

Thats how i interpret it anyway, which is not good enough by a long shot.

I agree, and that isn't an acceptable solution for me, either.

That's what I got from that too, and why I'm not happy with it.

I am also in agreement. Although I know some people dont like the Indoctrination theory but it would atleast fit well with what happened in the ending of ME3?

[Spectre Chris]

dointime85 wrote...

I appreciate what he has to say, seriously, seems like they are serious about an ending dlc, but oh how I also wish that for once, you'd get the impression that the responsible persons would deviate from streamlined PR-speak, saying things like "hey you know what, you're right, there are an awful lot of plotholes" or "we thought the ending was a good idea, but before we created it, we made quite a few false promises".

Exactly. I greatly appreciate Dr. Ray's statement, and I think almost all of us agree personal attacks are wrong and 99% of ME3 was amazing, but it's not just about closure. It's about the "wildly different" endings were promised. The "16 different" endings we were promised. That our endings would be different if we played the whole series than if we just took up the series in ME3. Those all turned out to be false. We got 3 very similar endings. I respect Bioware's artistic discretion but not if it means lying to their patrons!

Dr Ray, we want not just closure, but the wildly different, 16 distinct, seperate, decision-based endings that you promised we would have for the money we gave you. Please understand that. Closure and plot holes are also a major concern. Thank you.

[PaulSX]

the message sounds more like "please stop hurting ME3's sale".

[laughing sherpa girl]

I would simply like an explanation of why; when you advertised that you would not end the game with an A,B,C style ending choice, your company did exactly that.
An explanation of all the apparently false pre-launch statements and advertising related to the ending, would be greatly appreciated.

[ratzerman]

Folks, can we please drop the "EA buys reviews, forces PR spin" stuff? It's insulting. Let's just take him at his word, and see what happens.

Please?

[Getorex]

XTR3M3 wrote...

One of the problems for me, the lore and plot conflicts not withstanding, is that the endings were hyped by BioWare to be driven by the choices we made in the game and the previous games in the series. This was simply not the case. I have played this game more than 2 different ways and no matter what, the choices at the end are EXACTLY the same as long as my EMS meter is about the prescribed level.

I do want to say that the rest of the game was brilliant. Sure there were a couple of issues like the journal being not very user friendly, but the gameplay was so fun that kind of thing was easily overlooked. You guys did a superlative job on this which is what makes the way you decided to go with the endings you did such a let down. The EMS matters and nothing else does. Only 1 decision from the end of ME2 even has any affect on the endings and that is only at lower EMS ratings.

I'll agree with you.  I like the MP games more than almost any other MP game I've ever played.  I don't care for the votes to eject players, however, though I understand them (just because someone is an N7 1 and Soldier 1 or Vanguard 1,etc, doesn't mean they suck...it just means they are just starting out in MP.  I've seen level 1s skyrocket to the 50s and 60s in no time because they're GOOD but they HAVE to start at 1.  Cut SOME slack people).  

Any issues with the game outside the ending(s) are minor in comparison and forgivable (almost all sidequests being initiated magically due to eavesdropping alone).  If I knew the end would be different based on how I played and which Shepard I imported to play...I'd replay as much as I did 1 and 2.  Give us all our replayability back!  Give us back our excitement and joy.

[cachx]

 This is more or less what I wanted to hear.

"We will add/change content but we will not be bullied and manipulated by the angry mob"

[PARAGON87]

Thanks Dr. M, I'm happy that BioWare has listened to us and is working on a resolution.

[Getorex]

ratzerman wrote...

Folks, can we please drop the "EA buys reviews, forces PR spin" stuff? It's insulting. Let's just take him at his word, and see what happens.

Please?

Well, I wouldn't narrow it down to just EA...it's ALL of them.  But your point is taken...IF they quit referring to reviews that are often directly contradicted by reader reviews submitted in the same page's comment section.  Odd that.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Oh, "closure" isn't the only thing that's lacking in those ending(s).

Even if they add a few extra scenes and some epilogues, I'm sure most people still won't be satisfied. The ending(s) are just... so, so nonsensical and so inconsistent with the rest of the trilogy. They stick out like a sore thumb, full of plot holes and other logic-defying mishaps, and it's hard to offer constructive criticism to Bioware when so much is wrong with them (yet Bioware seems to be of the opposite opinion).

It's just a shame that Bioware allowed these ending(s) into the final game. I'm afraid any changes they make will fall far short of resolving most of the issues people have with them, barring any substantial rewrites to those last 10 minutes

I wish Bioware luck here.

[Egermano]

Thanks for Ray's post, it's correct.

I liked and fully support the ending as Bioware imagined it. I have a few remarks though, Ray mentioned some of them (more closure for companion and race story arcs), but I'll be more specific:

-Normandy's escape is hard to justify
-the destruction of EDI and the Geth when going the renegade way at the end feels forced an unnecessary
-the ending is hard to comprehend. I can imagine that people are actually upset just because they didn't get what's happening when they first encountered it. I had to replay the ending, and then read some more, to figure it out myself.

I wish good luck to the Mass Effect team, this is the landmark sci-fi of our generation, and I sincerely hope that the upset fans will calm down, and take this game for what it is: a beautiful, very much interactive journey to ultimate ascension.

Modifié par Egermano, 21 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[tschamp]

One, thank you for saying something. It wasn't much, but it was much better than what has been going on. Two, no offenese this a just another way of saying,"We are watching," which has already been said. There is no real tangable information here that says Bioware is going to live up to the pre-launch interviews.

Lets break down the issues here:
-Face import doesn't work or doesn't exisit
- A lot of glitches when talking to other characters.(ie head spinning, dissappearing)
-Multi-player affecting single play mode.(I don't play multi-player or MMO's this seems a little unfair to me.)
-Gun upgrade need a little retooling by adding more upgrades.
-Quest tracking is none exisit or confusing

The ending:
-Our choices don't create different endings they all lead to same place.
-Makes no sense.( Starchild, Reaper Child, or whatever you want to call that brat.)
-A text saying that you will spend more money soon is a little over confident don't you think?

I think ME 3 is a great game until the white light then it just falls flat on its face. I get that ME 3 crew see themselves as artist, but they are also creating a product for the masses. I think they should have consider the following:

-Replayablity. If the majority of players don't want to replay ME 3 because of your art. then is it a success?
-Player's choices. If the players choices thru the whole series don't matter, then why give them a choice in the first place?
-Story Integerity. Bioware has woven a fanstic story in the ME Universe where Bioware create a passionate following of gamers. The ending isn't passionate and doesn't live up to standard Bioware created in the ME Universe.

I think no one is saying ME 3 is an awful game. I think most players gave it decent scores. You created an epic story with fan fic ending. The game seem rushed with the amount of glitches, and it seemed it  wasn't tested properly before its release. I am sure the majority of ME player would have been more than willing to waited for to fix those and have game that was almost glitch free.

I am replaying ME 2 right now. My experience with ME 3 didn't ruin my enjoyment of ME 1 or 2, but I won't be replaying ME 3 anytime soon. I am not going to get a refund, but I am going to kept it as a reminder to never pay full price for a game again. I should have waited, like I normally would do, until it was on the perviously played shelf because then all this would be fix. I would have waited another year for a game that is truly art. I would have waited for a game that was done not with narrow focus on the desires of  its creators but included thier customer in their equations.

-I will be watching and listening to see if Bioware can repair it's reputation with its customer base-

Modifié par tschamp, 21 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[batlin]

How come none of these people have the balls to address how the ending is absolutely nothing like what we were promised it would be

[evecoluk]

 I don' understand all the complaints. It's been a rollercoaster ride of the highest quality, and a fitting way to end it. If they decide to add another twist to the end great but it's not really needed. My only suggestion would be continueing the game when finished. more thought because of the ending """"""""":bandit:. more DLC would need playing beforehand. Looking forward to whatever direction the new mass effect games will take. 

[Arathon]

Artistic?! Oh for gods sake...
How often do we have to explain that your ending is
in no way artistic? It has plotholes bigger then all reapers
in a line. Its a copy paste from the original DX.
It makes absolutley no sense... i could go on for like
twenty hours in explaining why your ending is poor writing
and thinking and not "artistic" in any way.

You thought hard? It seems to the !MAJORITY! that
the team didnt thought hard enough! I dont want to insult you or
the team who are behind this great game, but please
i still dont understand how a company with so much expierence
as Bioware didnt test the ending on at least decent test audience
with some fans.

Stop talking about us as the minority. Get over yourself Bio.
Please do it. We cant stand it anymore. All these lies all these
false promises be at least honest with yourself if you are not with
us. We understand that you put great effort into this game.
We understand that it hurts to see such a devastating feedback
to the game end. So to make this perfectly clear:

1. We dont want the ending to be explained!
They can not be explained. You really try to make us angry with this?
(And no Spacemagic is not an explanation!)

2. We want other endings! Eather grab the whole scene after the beam and
throw it out of the window or use something like the Indo therory (I speak
of the majority (look at the pools (we are not this "vocal" "small" amout of
"some loyal fans")

3. If you make a ending give us at least one really hard (and
with hard i mean something like: At least 7000 comandations,
right choices through all 3 games, and the whole galaxy united for an example)
achivable good ending.

4. Show us what you are working on! Not to statisfy our curiosity but to prevend
yourself from achieving an other devasting outcome of your efforts.

5. You can point at the critics. But they dont buy your games
we buy your games. So realise whats really going on here and
stop pretending that everything is fine with the majority of the gamers.
Its not!

I am sorry if my post was in any way ofensive that is not intended.
The only point i try to make here is that Bioware has to get over
his pride (we know its hard).

[Chala]

So, in April they'll announce more dlc wich it's main objetive is to clarify the ending?
This must be the most clear answer that BW gave us since all this mess started

[KingJason13]

What I sincerely would like to know is wether ot not Pro-Game Critics actually finish games before reviewing them?

Idk if they do... Which would be like judging an album on 3 or 4 of the 10 songs...

[Kandid001]

ratzerman wrote...

Folks, can we please drop the "EA buys reviews, forces PR spin" stuff? It's insulting. Let's just take him at his word, and see what happens.

Please?

We can't drop it, EXACTLY because it's insulting.

[Whatever42]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

I would simply like an explanation of why; when you advertised that you would not end the game with an A,B,C style ending choice, your company did exactly that.
An explanation of all the apparently false pre-launch statements and advertising related to the ending, would be greatly appreciated.

Developers routinely overpromise and under-deliver. Marketers exaggarate the overpromises considerably as part of their effort to generate hype. This is common for most games; heck, most software. I wouldn't bash Bioware too harshly so something so endemic in the software industry. 

And its a hard thing to fix. As a developer, you see what's possible, you make your best guess about what you can achieve within your budget and timelines, and its not until your 1/2 way through when you realize that you let your enthusiasm color your judgements too much.

[laughing sherpa girl]

ratzerman wrote...

Folks, can we please drop the "EA buys reviews, forces PR spin" stuff? It's insulting. Let's just take him at his word, and see what happens.

Please?

No.. I'm sorry. Trust is something that is earned, and the trust originally earned by Bioware has been betrayed. I cannot and will not take anyone from Bioware at their word any more. I will need to see changes, not read fancy words..

[cuzsal]

god i hope they will give us amazing endings, like a amazing bad end an amazing good end, etc

it needs to be epic

and somthing that actualy make since and covers all major story points and a some minor story points be nice as well