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[Grimez7]

You guys do realize that he said they would be going into more detail about their plans in April right?

[Jokoro]

So I never really use these forums (I should, I know) but I've decided to slither out from the rock I was hiding under to say that as much as a video game is a product and should aim to suit the desires of the consumer, it is also a work of art and the creators have every right to do with it as they please. I haven't been able to purchase ME3 yet; studying abroad at the moment. But, regardless of how I feel when I do eventually play the game, I want Bioware to know that there are some people out there that respect your decision to end the trilogy in the way you wished. Don't stop making awesome stories; don't start bowing the the whims of the masses. Make awesome stuff, and people will come. Don't betray your art for the almighty dollar.

There's my two cents. Thank you.

[AwsumMcPossum]

I would be happy just to even see the ending of the game. Its been two weeks since I purchased it and no word for those of us who have been unable to import our Shepards from ME1 due to the face import error. I would appreciate it if Bioware would fix the beginning of their game before worrying about the end.

http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

[PhoenixDove1]

I don't know if this has been said already, but we already knew they were going to explain the endings, this does not fix the problem we have.  We have a game that has an ending that is contrary to what was promised.  The fact that it has major plotholes should be fixed on principal, not just explained.
Glad to see though that this is appearing to be taken more seriously, (going up the chain of command) but at this point not really going to believe anything, until we get a statement that is concrete or DLC/expansion that provides all the different endings promised, and clarification to the plotholes.  In it for the long haul.

[Celtic Latino]

Well there is going to be new content...and potentially new games (please no MMOs, please no MMOs), so that's a start in the right direction.

I'm awaiting April to hear just how this all is going to be addressed. Mind you I LOVED Mass Effect 3, but still I hope this isn't just going to be more opportunity for shelling out DLC to take more money.

[Stethane]

When the last 5 minutes of the game destroy any desire you may have to replay the entire trilogy, then you know some wasn't done right. I am trying to find the right words to accurately describe why I feel the way I do about Mass Effect 3 and its ending.

Here are constructive feedback points I would offer you.

1.Choices matter. That was your goal. And, as far as goals go you did a good job with until the ending.  But do you understand how many of our choices were nullified by the ending sequence?

Example: It doesn't really matter *what* you ever did on the Citadel (think side quests, helping folks out, etc) because they citadel is destroyed...everyone one it slaughtered...and there's not a single choice we could have made to make that different.

2. Plot holes. Attention to detail is very important, and errors in the little things erode the quality of its work.

Example: The sequence of Mass Relay explosions doesn't even start at the human Mass Relay, but another one.

3. Over Hyping/Failing to deliver The endings.    You set yourself up for failure here.  Whoever said there was 15 different endings needs to learn there is a difference between "5 variations across 3 endings." Had we been told there was only three possible endings, I don't think we'd be as upset. Except see number 4...

4. Blatant Lie/Innacuracy at the ending. When your head writer says you WON'T be in a scenario where you must choose A, B, or C...and then you PUTS you in that scenario without explanation or apology...it means that writer doesn't where his own game is going, or doesn't know what his own mouth is saying. You choose.


So here's where I stand as a long time Bioware fan.  Please do not take this as an ultimatum, it is simply a reflection of how I feel.

1. Any "content initiatives" will be considered with suspicion.  I will not pay for DLC that is intended to fix a broken product.

2. I will no longer be pre-ordering any Bioware products. Your increased push for pre-order bonuses coupled with failing to deliver on promises makes your products a risk.  My purchase of your products will depend on reviews by my fellow players. (Honestly, who trusts game review sites anymore?)

3. You will be very hard pressed to convince me to buy any future Bioware Product where Casey Hudson is lead writer.   I do not say this to be mean. This is just where I stand.

Modifié par Stethane, 21 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[ragnorok87]

Jokoro wrote...

So I never really use these forums (I should, I know) but I've decided to slither out from the rock I was hiding under to say that as much as a video game is a product and should aim to suit the desires of the consumer, it is also a work of art and the creators have every right to do with it as they please. I haven't been able to purchase ME3 yet; studying abroad at the moment. But, regardless of how I feel when I do eventually play the game, I want Bioware to know that there are some people out there that respect your decision to end the trilogy in the way you wished. Don't stop making awesome stories; don't start bowing the the whims of the masses. Make awesome stuff, and people will come. Don't betray your art for the almighty dollar.

There's my two cents. Thank you.

make epic fail endings that betray everything the series has stood for and people wil run away and abandon you. if this is not fixed it will be the eventual end of bioware.

[N172]

blazes207 wrote...

I want my blue babies please.

Me too, but i whould also appreciate a DLC if it is just reunion.

[Ghost Warrior]

Kavadas wrote...

Honestly, until they admit how ****ing stupid their Star Child ending is and how meaningless our choices were I don't what Casey, Ray, or anyone from Electronic Arts has to say.

The ending needs be simply rewritten from the point where Shepard passes out onboard the crucible and it Electronic Arts need to patch it in completely free.

Anything else is unacceptable.

"Keep dreaming T'Soni"

[kofelover]

AwsumMcPossum wrote...

I would be happy just to even see the ending of the game. Its been two weeks since I purchased it and no word for those of us who have been unable to import our Shepards from ME1 due to the face import error. I would appreciate it if Bioware would fix the beginning of their game before worrying about the end.

http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

You seriously need to play the game through to the end before you comment.  It really, really is that bad.  I just finished two days ago amist all the controversy and kept telling myself "it can't be that bad".  Sadly, I was just plain wrong ....  it really is.

[SeventyOne]

I m not buying this game or any other Bioware title untill the ending debate closes, preferably making an option for a sensible (not necessarily happy) ending and a proper -without plotholes- closure.

I am carefully monitoring this very interesting debate from the start and i am not happy from the resposes Bioware has posted. Not because i dont like them but because the do not set things straight as i would expected from a company with great caliber and a loyal fanbase.

I would have more respect for a company that gives straight answers (no matter what they are) than this "waiting" PR game i am experiencing.

For that issue i have postponed my SWTOR subscription because of that.

[armorrekka]

Same here

[chester013]

Appreciate the communication, I think the frustration a lot were feeling was ratcheted up by what they felt was a lack of meaningful press releases, resulting in some (very much in the minority) overly zealous and counter-productive attitudes.

While I'll wait and see what the results of the ME3 team's work before making a judgement, but it's good to see at least people who are unsatisfied by the ending aren't viewed as cranks, as they are in certain gaming media outlets.

The vast majority appreciate the team for what they do and I look forward to more news in April.

[Seifer006]

ragnorok87 wrote...

Adynata wrote...

I find it hard to believe that Bioware considers this their best game. It was short, consisted mostly of cutscenes, had little character development beyond the previous ME games, and had redundant quests that lacked creativity. I'm not going to go into the ending, since most of us agree what the problem with that is. I would gladly give up multiplayer if it meant having a better single player game.

ME3 seemed rushed to me as well, but more importantly I get this sense that we had to sacrifice a lot of content/development for other things, like varied dialogue strands that we may never see or the MP stuff. Artistry is just not on the map here. I teach university literature classes and all I do is analyze artistry everyday (okay 3 days a week, but still). The overall story arch of ME3 leaves more questions than answers. By the end of the "story" the protagonist is no longer consistent (lack of decision choices), the antagonist changes (reapers aren't bad guys, but star child is??), and the crisis--which we all thought would be this huge epic battle--turns out to be a "Let's Make a Deal"-esque decision followed by a sudden conclusion and no denouement. In other words, the structure of the story changes so dramatically that it feels as if we're suddenly playing a completely different game.

Better artistry would have resulted in stronger character development suggesting that the protagonist might be willing to entertain an idea like that proposed by the end antagonist and more forshadowing that could convey the impending sacrifice or change of antagonist.

i totally agree with your statements

Yeah I agree with these two here.

[streamlock]

I'm still holding out hope that they will somehow make this all go away....

But if the "celerity" of the ending is going to be one those stupid storytelling/flashback sequences telling stories about "The Sheppard" like that episode of B5....I'm going to strangle a cat. Or two.

[SmellyMetal]

"OMG, you can not rely on artistic integrity when the art you have made ends up just being so blatantly BAD."


EXACTLY my toughts LOL

They talk about "art" but gave us Tali's stock picture lol

[ragnorok87]

Stethane wrote...

When the last 5 minutes of the game destroy any desire you may have to replay the entire trilogy, then you know some wasn't done right. I am trying to find the right words to accurately describe why I feel the way I do about Mass Effect 3 and its ending.

Here are constructive feedback points I would offer you.

1.Choices matter. That was your goal. And, as far as goals go you did a good job with until the ending.  But do you understand how many of our choices were nullified by the ending sequence?

Example: It doesn't really matter *what* you ever did on the Citadel (think side quests, helping folks out, etc) because they citadel is destroyed...everyone one it slaughtered...and there's not a single choice we could have made to make that different.

2. Plot holes. Attention to detail is very important, and errors in the little things erode the quality of its work.

Example: The sequence of Mass Relay explosions doesn't even start at the human Mass Relay, but another one.

3. Over Hyping/Failing to deliver The endings.    You set yourself up for failure here.  Whoever said there was 15 different endings needs to learn there is a difference between "5 variations across 3 endings." Had we been told there was only three possible endings, I don't think we'd be as upset. Except see number 4...

4. Blatant Lie/Innacuracy at the ending. When your head writer says you WON'T be in a scenario where you must choose A, B, or C...and then you PUTS you in that scenario without explanation or apology...it means that writer doesn't where his own game is going, or doesn't know what his own mouth is saying. You choose.


So here's where I stand as a long time Bioware fan.  Please do not take this as an ultimatum, it is simply a reflection of how I feel.

1. Any "content initiatives" will be considered with suspicion.  I will not pay for DLC that is intended to fix a broken product.

2. I will no longer be pre-ordering any Bioware products. Your increased push for pre-order bonuses coupled with failing to deliver on promises makes your products a risk.  My purchase of your products will depend on reviews by my fellow players. (Honestly, who trusts game review sites anymore?)

3. You will be very hard pressed to convince me to buy any future Bioware Product where Casey Hudson is lead writer.   I do not say this to be mean. This is just where I stand.

i think this is a good post. good thoughts too. i feel very similar however i will never buy anything that has casey hudson as a writer ever again. he is a complusive lier. he claimed that we would not get abc endings and that our choices would matter and that we would get closeur and that is the biggest LIE OF ALL TIME. if bioware fixes this i certainly will never preorder a bioware product ever again. as for content inititives i too will be very suspicious, but even if its intended to fix something and i get my better ending id gladly pay for it.

[Getorex]

Bioware employees, execs, etc, you can be extremely proud of what you have created in the Mass Effect universe. Truly. Few games (I can count them on 3 fingers) have captured my imagination and fascination with such power as has Mass Effect. When I am reading a truly good book or watchin a great movie, I am able to, for a bit, lose myself in that story, the characters, the environment. Some of them even make me think "If I could make this real and be in it, I would." Mass Effect is one such creation. It took a little bit of time upon first playing Mass Effect 1 to start getting sucked in but I did get sucked in deep. I recall as I was playing sometimes grinning like an idiot because I was thinking, "Damn, this is a great story!" and, "Wow, this is really clever!" That is truly an accomplishment. For a time, when I wasn't actually playing the game I would be thinking about it, the characters, the places, and fleshing them out in my mind. How many here wouldn't give anything to actually be able to visit the Citadel in reality? To actually meet an Asari, a Turian. To check out Omega, Eden Prime. To walk within Prothean ruins and wonder? A story or game or movie that does that is magical and RARE.

You all created RARE. Many, many people the world over have been captured by its magic, its richness, its depth. You stepped out of the realm of just another sword and magic game and created something unique, clever, original, and engaging. We LOVE the characters and even within the limits of the game and its engine we are able to accept them to the point of fleshing them out in our imaginations to make them almost real. Is it any wonder that we all have strong emotions concerning this game? Many of us have been engaged in this universe and characters you brought to us for years. Spending many many hours exploring and experiencing it. We honestly care what happens to it and every single individual in it. It has taken on a life much bigger than the TV screen or computer monitor and has taken up a place, faintly, behind the real world. It is there just inches from our imaginations during our daily lives, ready to transport us to a new and different world. It MATTERS how it is handled, it MATTERS how it comes to a close. Many of us are deeply saddened that it must come to a close, but if it must end, do it the justice it deserves. It isn't "just a game". Super Mario Brothers, Centipede, Donkey Kong are just games. They don't grab hold of you and launch you into another time and place. Understand our ire, our bitterness, and excuse its excesses. Don't just toss an ending at it and wash your hands of it. Handle Mass Effect gracefully and respectfully. It is unique and deserves to be treated properly.

Modifié par Getorex, 21 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Kersca]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Art has always existed to make money. Most art that lives in museums were funded by patrons. So, no, it's not an either or. Artists for centuries have been making art to make their patrons happy.

I agree that art has always existed to make money, but i'm talking about adding to that art.   If an artist comes across an unhappy patron and hides behind the shield of "artistic integrity" then the artist should not expect to say "i'm also available to expand on what I just gave you that made you so upset in the first place, for a price" and not have the patron say "ok, but this is what i want"

That's where the cake and eat it too comes from.

[wrdnshprd]

so from that blog it looks that at least we WILL get ending DLC,  but it also looks as though we are going to have to pay for it

from the blog:

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. 

thats how i interpret the above quote anyway.

if im right, well then i have lost what respect i had left for this once great company.

please prove me wrong bioware.  i implore you.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 21 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[chester013]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Kavadas wrote...

Honestly, until they admit how ****ing stupid their Star Child ending is and how meaningless our choices were I don't what Casey, Ray, or anyone from Electronic Arts has to say.

The ending needs be simply rewritten from the point where Shepard passes out onboard the crucible and it Electronic Arts need to patch it in completely free.

Anything else is unacceptable.

"Keep dreaming T'Soni"

Well I don't think there's any need to be so belligerent, but as it stands the current end doesn't befit the quality of the preceeding games. I firmly beleive after watching the ending numerous times and pouring over the clues throughout the game that the indoctrination theory holds water, providing an easy out.

Unless of course, this is was the intention and BW pulled the biggest mind **** since the usual suspects.

[chester013]

wrdnshprd wrote...

so from that blog it looks that at least we WILL get ending DLC,  but it also looks as though we are going to have to pay for it

from the blog:

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. 

thats how i interpret the above quote anyway.

if im right, well then i have lost what respect i had left for this once great company.

please prove me wrong bioware.  i implore you.

I fail to see where you get 'pay' out of that, it's a possibility sure but I cannot infer that any changes to the ending will be at a cost to the consumer from that statement alone.

[Naughty Bear]

chester013 wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Kavadas wrote...

Honestly, until they admit how ****ing stupid their Star Child ending is and how meaningless our choices were I don't what Casey, Ray, or anyone from Electronic Arts has to say.

The ending needs be simply rewritten from the point where Shepard passes out onboard the crucible and it Electronic Arts need to patch it in completely free.

Anything else is unacceptable.

"Keep dreaming T'Soni"

Well I don't think there's any need to be so belligerent, but as it stands the current end doesn't befit the quality of the preceeding games. I firmly beleive after watching the ending numerous times and pouring over the clues throughout the game that the indoctrination theory holds water, providing an easy out.

Unless of course, this is was the intention and BW pulled the biggest mind **** since the usual suspects.

Ghost Warriors response also applies to what i just bolded.

[EnforcerGREG]

Well the battle to change the mass effect 3 endings are over, However the battle to reform DA has just begun..........

Modifié par EnforcerGREG, 21 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[SmellyMetal]

I love how the game only had 7 characters versus 11 in ME2, we could all see that ME3 was rushed to meet EA's release date, I love it how they removed a character to sell it as DLC lol They removed Javik's audio files from the game but kept his 3D model on the disc, and gave you the actual audio data as a disguised download, saying "it was not on the disc" LOL! For ME2 it was acceptable given the amount of content already in the game, but I'm sorry to say it's not regarding ME3.
Also, when people who started the game since Mass Effect 1 will be able to import their character without using a fan made tool?

I am very disapointed by you, Bioware, and this letter was by far the most offensive. Still not recognizing the lies that were fed. The multiple endings that were promised. No. All you do, is talk about the great press (yes an IGN employee is in your game), "most passionate fans" wanting more "closure", once again.

I'm sick.

Modifié par SmellyMetal, 21 mars 2012 - 08:05 .